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Posted 16 November 2011 - 12:42 AM

The City of Vancouver is back in court tomorrow trying to get an injunction to remove the tents from the OV protest site.

The B.C. Supreme Court is expected to rule Wednesday on the City of Vancouver’s bid for an injunction to clear tents from the Occupy Vancouver site at the Vancouver Art Gallery, one month after protesters set up camp.

Meanwhile, Vancouver firefighters and city staff, overseen by Vancouver police officers, again inspected the site Tuesday for fire hazards, clearing out tents and the belongings of some dwellers.

Fire Chief John McKearney said an earlier court safety order gave firefighters authority to ensure there was no combustible materials on site, that there was one metre between sleeping tents and that all tarps over sleeping tents were removed.

“The judge’s order is all tarpaulins or tarps are gone,” he said. “The tarpaulins or tarps get in the way, they cover the tents, they’re an extra fire load.”

McKearney expected 90 per cent of the site would be in compliance with the court’s order after the firefighters finished their inspection Tuesday.

One tent-dweller returned to his tent between the art gallery and Howe Street, to where the encampment has spread, after firefighters had inspected the area, to find his tent and his belongings gone.

“Our discussions with our city manager is that we are doing everything we can to make this site safe,” said McKearney.

Jay Peachy, a member of the movement’s media committee, said the protest will continue even if the tents are removed, via the Internet and on site at the service tents and on the stage, which he said the city has approved for the site.

But he opposed removing the tents.

“Sure, people don’t like tents, but we don’t like seeing homeless people on the streets,” said Peachy, who didn’t sleep full-time at the encampment.

Police arrested a protester, who sat in the middle of the intersection of Georgia and Howe streets, for breach of the peace. He was released a few hours later without being charged.

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Posted 16 November 2011 - 01:06 AM

Looks the guy who was yelling "your a piece of *&#%" in some womans face who was attending that dinner that had bush speaking, what a clown

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Posted 16 November 2011 - 10:29 AM

OccupyVancouver should have just stuck with ONE idea that the 99% can get behind. And that would be for the 1% to pay reasonable taxes and close any tax loopholes. I don't know what would be reasonable but somthing that Canada can get more $$ but not enough to dissuade business/rich people from operating/residing in Canada (they need to make a profit too).

Once the $$ is gained...then perhaps there would be more spending in much needed social programs. Or reduce overall deficit. Or improve Healthcare (now that's something that really needs fixing).

Even the original OccupyVancouver organizers have said it's no longer what it started out to be. Good idea...bad execution.

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Posted 16 November 2011 - 01:47 PM

A list of OV's demands, as of November 5 - keep in mind this is a working draft, according to OV:

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3. We demand that crimes committed by banks and corporations be prosecuted more rigorously – a dedicated justice fund for white-collar crimes must be created. Canadian corporations must also be held accountable for crimes (such as bribery and pollution) committed abroad.



41. We demand the release of all non-violent prisoners.

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Throw all the white-collar criminals in prison! Then let them out!



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Posted 16 November 2011 - 01:59 PM

There are a wide variety of concerns among the protestors. The movement itself wants to be an example of democracy and inclusion. Just because there is no simple singular banner to group everyone under does not invalidate it.

There's a great deal of discussion about what to do about the problems. Of course, if you're one of the privileged, sheltered, or those resigned to their fate as a pawn, then you're not really interested in even acknowledging that there's any kind of problem.


I support the general idea behind the occupy protests.

Unfortunately for them they have either undermined themselves or people that joined the protest later on have ruined it's image. Why do they have to squat in the middle of the city? Can they not protest without living there?

By setting up this tent city they invite all the homeless people from around the city which has resulted in all the drug use and OD's. You also get idiots like that guy in the clip who just want to cause trouble. The tent city was a bad idea from the start, without that the movement would have had a better chance to remain credible and relevant.

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Posted 16 November 2011 - 03:23 PM

Here is what occurred in court during the injunction hearing. Counsel for the OV protesters siought a further adjournment and that was denied by B.C. Supreme Court Associate Chief Justice Anne MacKenzie.

The hearing has now re-convened after the lunch break.

Dozens of supporters of the Occupy Vancouver protest turned up this morning at the court hearing of the city's injunction application.

The city's lawyer argued that an interim injunction should be granted to shut down the tent city in front of the Vancouver Art Gallery.

The city's position is that the Occupy Vancouver encampment, which began Oct. 15, is a breach of city bylaws preventing erecting structures on city property.

The tent city protest against corporate greed and other issues has generated a heated public debate and has become an issue in the civic election.

Suzanne Anton, who is running for Vancouver mayor for the Non-Partisan Association party, has repeatedly criticized the handling of the matter by Vancouver Mayor Gregor Robertson.

Lawyers representing some of the Occupy Vancouver protesters had asked today for a short adjournment of the hearing to allow more time to prepare. Lawyer Jason Gratl told the judge that he didn't receive a new volume of affidavits from the city until 6 p.m. last night.

But B.C. Supreme Court Associate Chief Justice Anne MacKenzie decided the case will proceed, starting with the argument of city lawyer Ben Parkin.

Gratl also asked the court to allow him to argue an application to cross-examine three witnesses involved in the city's affidavits, but the judge said that application should be heard after the city's application for an interim injunction.

Gratl argued against granting the city's injunction application, saying it would violate the protesters' rights to freedom of expression.

"It would not be fitting in these circumstances to rely on a constitutionally suspect bylaw," he argued.

"The structures themselves have expressive content," Gratl added. "They are political structures."

Gratl is representing one of the protesters, Sean O'Flynn-Magee, who was originally served by the fire department to comply with fire and safety regulations by removing large tarps over tents.

The hearing will resume at 2 p.m.

Two of the protesters attending Wednesday court hearing were Matthew Kvikstad, 25, and Jordon Malcolm, 18, who have been living at Occupy Vancouver since it began Oct. 15.

Malcolm said if the injunction is granted and police try to remove them, protesters plan to use non-violence resistance and will lock arms.

"I'm willing to take a beating for human rights for me and everyone at the camp," he said outside court.

Meanwhile, Robertson said Wednesday he wants the tent city at Occupy Vancouver gone by Grey Cup weekend, Nov. 27.

But he said the city isn't going to issue an ultimatum, especially since it wants to resolve the protest peacefully.

In an interview with The Province's editorial board Robertson sounded forceful, wanting to have the camp gone by Grey Cup weekend.

"I want to see [the encampment] gone before the Grey Cup weekend," he said.

But in a subsequent statement to The Vancouver Sun, he was less strident, instead saying the injunction is an important tool in moving the protesters along.

""We want an injunction from the B.C. Supreme Court as an additional tool to remove the tent city. People have the right to protest but the tent city needs to go. The City has serious concerns with the safety of the tent city," he said in the statement.

"Obviously we'd like it resolved by the Grey Cup weekend but we're not going to issue ultimatums, that hasn't worked in other cities. We're going to keep increasing pressure to remove the tents and the injunction will be a much stronger tool to do that. The consequences for defying an injunction are more severe and as a result we're in a better position to end the tent city while avoiding a violent confrontation."

The Occupy movement's tent cities sprang up in 2,000 cities after the first one, known as Occupy Wall Street, sprang up in New York

A number have cities, including New York and Toronto, have recently decided to shut down the encampments.

Justice MacKenzie adjourned the City of Vancouver's injunction application from last week to allow protesters time to consult legal counsel.

But the judge did order that the Occupy Vancouver camp to comply with fire and safety regulations after a young women tragically died in a tent from a drug overdose.

Earlier, another man survived a drug overdose after he was taken to hospital.

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An application for an injunction to remove the tent city protest site on the lawn of the Vancouver Art Gallery got under way Wednesday.

After several applications by Occupy Vancouver to adjourn the hearing were dismissed by the judge, the case resumed with submissions regarding the correct legal test for the injunction.

Ben Parkin, a lawyer for the city, argued that the test was an “extremely simple” one — whether a city land bylaw had been breached and whether there were any exceptional circumstances to stop an injunction.

“There’s no dispute that people have erected structures and tents. That constitutes a breach of the land bylaw and is a trespass.”

Parkin told B.C. Supreme Court Associate Chief Justice Anne MacKenzie that there were no exceptional circumstances in the case where, for example, the defendants have attempted to comply with the law but have been unable to do so.

He said it was in the public interest to remove the protest site that has been in place since Oct. 15.

Jason Gratl, a lawyer for one of the Occupy Vancouver protesters, argued that the city was relying on a “constitutionally suspect” bylaw and therefore could not rely on the presumption the bylaw was in the public interest.

He said there was “ample evidence” that half of the protesters on the site were homeless and have nowhere to go.

And he said there was insufficient shelter beds in the city and that there were safety and security issues at the shelters that exist.

“It would not be fitting to rely on a constitutionally suspect bylaw, to overlook those adverse consequences.”

Earlier, Gratl had asked the judge for more time to review some new affidavits filed by the city but the judge declined to do so.

The judge also dismissed an application by a second Occupy Vancouver lawyer for a “brief delay” in the proceedings.

Three days have been set aside for the injunction hearing.

The courtroom was packed Wednesday with several dozen protesters.

Last week the judge ordered that the protesters comply with the city fire bylaw after reports of violations.

The protesters were ordered to remove all tarp enclosures or put up overhead tarps as canopies to provide full visibility and appropriate egress and access.

Unoccupied tents were ordered to be removed, as well as open flames and propane or other fuel sources on site.

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Posted 16 November 2011 - 03:46 PM

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Posted 16 November 2011 - 03:52 PM

Still not sure if the net result of NAFTA was beneficial to Canada. Many believe that economies should be as local as possible for a variety of reasons.
Your minimum wage assumption is a right-wing ideological fallacy. Australia's minimum wage is currently $15.51 and their unemployment rate is 5.2%. That's just one example. Pro-corporate cheap-labour conservatives love to push their propaganda on this issue because the last thing they want is an egalitarian society where there's no one to exploit for profit.


To be fair, the cost of living and the value of the AUD is different from Canada, same with their economy too.
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Posted 16 November 2011 - 07:20 PM

Anyone else starting to think that these protestors will try to incite some kind of riot after the Grey Cup?

Gregor needs to grow a set and get rid of these people asap.

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Posted 17 November 2011 - 12:38 AM

Here is the case that the City is making to the court hearing the injunction application.

A strong smell of marijuana has been wafting through the Vancouver Art Gallery since Occupy Vancouver set up camp on its grounds on Oct. 15, a judge was told Wednesday.

The odour was one of the reasons cited by city lawyer Ben Parkin for the need for an interim injunction to shut down the tent city, which is part of a global protest against corporate greed.

He also told the court that dirty plates and food scraps left on the public plaza by protesters has attracted rats, and protesters have damaged turf and plants on the gallery grounds.

The city applied for an injunction last week to remove the encampment but the judge adjourned the matter until Wednesday to allow protesters time to seek legal counsel. The judge, however, ordered protesters to comply with fire and safety regulations after a young woman died of a drug overdose.

The city’s lawyer told the court that the protesters have been slow to comply with fire safety regulations, requiring firefighters to spend hundreds of hours to monitor the site and enforce regulations.

“The site is not 100 per cent in compliance even now,” Parkin said.

It has required a 24-hour fire watch and has hampered the fire department from performing other duties, he added.

Parkin said city staff have ordered protesters, both orally and in writing, to remove tents and structures, but the requests have been largely ignored.

As well, there are other groups wanting to use the public plaza during the period leading up to Christmas, Parkin said.

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Posted 17 November 2011 - 12:57 AM

As much as I respect the movement. I cannot support it how it currently is being run. The message has lost its way and a bunch of drug dealers/users have ruined it. I still support the Occupy movement but not in this form. I also don't have an answer to turn this back around so this is supported by the public again.

BTW-this only applies to Occupy Vancouver. I am with the original organizers who have been stating the movement has basically lost its way. I still support Occupy Wall Street though.

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Posted 17 November 2011 - 01:32 AM

Good to see the OV protesters are taking direct action against business. Power to the people. Changing the world one food cart at a time.

A couple of Vancouver food bloggers have cranked up the social media machine to drum up support for food cart operators adjacent to Occupy Vancouver at the Vancouver Art Gallery. The cart owners have had to relocate, losing regular customers, and have been suffering as a result.

The bloggers have declared Friday as Support The Food Carts Day.

“This is not a political post. This has nothing to do with my feelings or opinions about the Occupy movement,” Mary Sheridan says on her blog (maryinvancity.com). “This is about a girl who likes to eat, who wants to help the food carts around the VAG site. Most of these small businesses are dipping into their savings just to stay afloat. The owners are already working more than 14 hours a day just to make ends meet.”

Stop by the area, she says, between 11 a.m. and 3 p.m. on Friday for lunch, a snack or a take-home dinner.

The affected carts, Re-up BBQ and Mom’s Grilled Cheese, are now located on Robson Street at Howe, and Mangal Kiss has moved to Georgia at Burrard.

Another blogger Sean Neild (seansadventuresinflavourtown.com) says the support picked up steam within hours of the blog and Twitter posts. “It’s been a double whammy for these owners who did not forecast this. Who would have thought a protest would kill their business?”

City officials allowed cart owners to relocate to nearby locations, but they’ve lost their regulars “who have set paths, won’t deviate a block or don’t know where they’ve moved to,” says Neild. He says some protesters were urinating in front of the carts, harassing owners for free food and being racist towards friends he had sent to support the businesses. “I think the protesters need to know they’re killing these small businesses, but they don’t care at all. It wasn’t an option to stay there.”

Michael Kaisaris, of Re-up BBQ, has two locations, one next to the Occupy site on Hornby Street and another on Robson at Howe. “We were going to close the one on Robson for the winter and keep the Hornby site open because it usually does massively better. But we knew we couldn’t stay on Hornby [beside the protesters]. Last winter, there wasn’t a day where we sold below four dozen [BBQ] sandwiches there.” At the Robson site, they’re “way below break-even,” he says. “At the Hornby location, even on a cruddy day, we’d do twice what we’re doing here.” He and his partners are dipping into their savings to keep going, he says.

He says the Re-up team is supportive of the original goals of the movement. “But it’s no longer an inviting place for a successful protest. It looks like a Third World village and it’s not attractive to the ‘99 per cent’ who happen also to be our customers. We’re not the enemy. We’re not the one per cent. We support the move for equality.”

Kaisaris says the Mangal Kiss cart was hit the hardest because the owner just opened in the fall and didn’t have time to establish the business. “They were just beginning to build up regulars. It hit him really hard and he may not be able to stay open. He does amazing, amazing Israeli shish kebabs.”

It’s difficult to measure the impact of Occupy Vancouver against the start of the cold, rainy season, but Jason Apple, of Roaming Dragon food truck at Burrard and Robson, says the art gallery site comes with an advantage. “The location brings unexpected value. There are events, rallies, films and they enjoy a surge in business. I definitely would not want to have my business in the heart of Occupy Vancouver. No question about that.”

Elsie Born, who runs the Finest at Sea cart at Robson and Howe, says she feels even a block away from the site, her business has slowed. “It’s partly the weather and partly that it’s not the tourist season, but I only have my regulars coming now. The foot traffic seems way down. It’s hard to tell because it’s my first year, but we’re cutting our hours and going down to three days [Thursday, Friday and Saturday],” she says.

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Posted 17 November 2011 - 12:00 PM

There is a pending protest in Vancouver that is directly related to the OWS protest. The owner of Zuccotti Park is a Canadian company, Brookfield Properties - one of the largest commercial real estate companies in the world. Members of Occupy Vancouver have two marches planned today (12 p.m. and 4 p.m.) to the 1055 W. Georgia St. headquarters of Brookfield Properties.
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In Solidarity with Occupations around the world, Occupy Vancouver will march for a Day of Action, Thursday November 17th. Our first march will gather at the Vancouver Art Gallery (VAG), and march at 12:00pm through downtown with key targets: see map

A second march will gather at the VAG, for a March at 4pm, with a key target of stomping on Brookfield Properties offices in multiple cities, to show solidarity with #OccupyWallStreet.

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In a press release, Occupy Vancouver's media team declared the "Occupy Brookfield!" action in solidarity with the evicted New York Occupiers "as well as many other Occupy sites currently under threat of eviction."
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Posted 17 November 2011 - 01:21 PM

For those downtown this afternoon you could encounter traffic disruptions as a result of the two OV protest marches

Organizers of the Occupy Vancouver encampment are planning an afternoon march through the downtown core as a show of solidarity with the global movement.

The marchers are expected to walk a planned route starting from the Vancouver Art Gallery at noon. According to a release, the march will go:

• North on Thurlow Street to the U.S. consulate on Pender Street;

• East on Pender;

• North on Burrard Street; and,

• East on Cordova Street.

Protesters will be escorted by Vancouver police officers during the march.

Traffic disruptions should be expected in those areas at times between noon and 4 p.m.

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Posted 17 November 2011 - 01:30 PM

Good to see the OV protesters are taking direct action against business. Power to the people. Changing the world one food cart at a time.

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Eggs.........omelet?

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Posted 17 November 2011 - 02:12 PM

Eggs.........omelet?

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Hogs........Pulled pork?
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Posted 17 November 2011 - 02:32 PM

On a side note, how hilarious is the abbreviation for the Vancouver Art Gallery? And that it's constantly in the news now?


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Posted 17 November 2011 - 02:33 PM

On a side note, how hilarious is the abbreviation for the Vancouver Art Gallery? And that it's constantly in the news now?


Yes, I am 12 years old.


I guess I'm a career protestor. I occupied the VAG 22 years ago.

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Posted 17 November 2011 - 02:40 PM

Hogs........Pulled pork?


Wait....what were we talking about again??

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Posted 17 November 2011 - 03:00 PM

As much as I respect the movement. I cannot support it how it currently is being run. The message has lost its way and a bunch of drug dealers/users have ruined it. I still support the Occupy movement but not in this form. I also don't have an answer to turn this back around so this is supported by the public again.

BTW-this only applies to Occupy Vancouver. I am with the original organizers who have been stating the movement has basically lost its way. I still support Occupy Wall Street though.


Do we really expect those who've been marginalized by society, with drug and mental health issues to be...eloquent? To have well thought out and reasoned proposals, responses and media liaisons? :blink:

The real tragedy of this movement in Vancouver is the lack of support (or inability) from the middle class. Unfortunately we're all too busy working our tails off to pay for our over-inflated houses in the middle of a huge global recession (and I shamefully include myself in that group). But at least we could offer support to those who are fighting for the betterment of society as that also benefits us, no? These people deserve our help, understanding and cooperation, not snide disdain.

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Posted 17 November 2011 - 03:04 PM

Wait....what were we talking about again??

The food carts being forced out by OV protesters including Re-up BBQ.

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Your analogy was eggs and omelette so I responded with hog and pulled pork (sandwich).

Do try to keep up, eh?? Or you will again be hoist on your own petard. ;)

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Posted 17 November 2011 - 03:05 PM

The only thing Occupy protesters have been successful at in my eyes is pissing me off.

Just being honest.
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Posted 17 November 2011 - 03:07 PM

I guess I'm a career protestor. I occupied the VAG 22 years ago.

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I occupy it at every opportunity.

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Posted 17 November 2011 - 03:26 PM

The latest update on the injunction hearing. The City is arguing that tent pegs being driven through a waterproof membrane could result in leaks damaging art stored below the plaza.

The City points out many public groups use the site and they apply for permits. OV by setting up an encampment is denying the use of this public space to other groups.

The City contends that there no exceptional circumstances that should allow the protesters to remain and said that the “balance of convenience” ( one of the tests for an injunction where competing rights are being balanced) favours the removal of the tents, which are in violation of city bylaws.

Occupy Vancouver's tent city poses a threat to the Vancouver Art Gallery’s “very large” permanent collection of art stored in a vault underneath the protest site, a judge heard Thursday.

City lawyer Ben Parkin told B.C. Supreme Court Associate Chief Justice Anne MacKenzie that the tent stakes driven into the lawn are a danger to a waterproof membrane just below the surface that protects the vault.

Normally structures that the city allows on the lawn are secured with sandbags or cement blocks in order to protect the membrane, he said.

If there is a sustained period of rain, water could leak through the membrane into the vault, he added.

“Damage to that membrane could result in damage to the collection of the art gallery.”

Parkin told the judge that the site is a popular one for many groups that seek permission from the city for a temporary permit.

Between December and May 2012 there are 36 events scheduled for the site.

Parkin said some events are religious, some political and some athletic, including the Vancouver Sun Run. He argued that by pitching tents permanently on the site, the protesters are saying no one else can use it.

“This is a site that is desirable and commonly used by many groups, hundreds of groups over the years, and should not be taken over by one particular political group.”

Jason Gratl, a lawyer for one of the protesters, objected to Parkin’s submissions, saying that the protesters aren’t trying to exclude others from the site.

Justice MacKenzie said she understood Gratl’s point but added that Parkin was entitled to suggest that inferences could be drawn from the evidence.

The city lawyer earlier told the judge that while there was some compliance with the city fire code, there was a “great deal” of unruly behaviour onsite, including open consumption of alcohol and drugs.

“This is a public health issue. There is a general lack of order on site which is not easy for the police to control.”

The submissions came on the second day of an application by the city for an injunction to clear out the tent city.

Parkin argued that there were no exceptional circumstances that should allow the protesters to remain and said that the “balance of convenience” favours the removal of the tents, which are in violation of city bylaws.

http://www.theprovince.com/news/City+lawyer+says+Occupy+Vancouver+tent+pegs+pose+threat+collection/5727530/story.html#ixzz1e0Gv4jS8


Counsel for one of the OV protesters, Jason Gratl is arguing that the tents constitute expressive content and should be allowed based upon his interpretation of the Falun Gong protest case. In the Falun Gong case it was clear that the small lean-to structure did not interfere with passage on a sidewalk nor deny public space to anyone walking on the sidewalk. IMHO Gratl is stretching to fit that case here as similar argument failed in respect of a tent city erected on Parliament Hill in which the facts are more relevant.

The case of Weisfeld v. Canada, which concerned the RCMP’s dismantling of a peace camp on Parliament Hill. A federal court ruled that the police actions were a justified limit on freedom of expression. In other words, the government had a legitimate interest in protecting the grounds and ensuring the openness of Parliament Hill. Those arguments seemingly apply to VAG, where the city maintains that the grounds have been damaged and access to the park has been impaired.
http://reports.fja.g...995fca0217.html

The tent city that is part of the Occupy Vancouver protest is a danger to millions of dollars of art held in a vault beneath the plaza.

City lawyer Ben Parkin said in court today that the art vault contains the permanent collection of the Vancouver Art Gallery and is protected by a waterproof membrane.

Users of the north plaza are required to agree not to use tent pegs but cement blocks and sandbags to avoid penetrating the vault membrane, the lawyer told a judge who is hearing the city's application for an injunction to shut down the tent city.

The art vault membrane is about a foot beneath the plaza, Parkin said, and occupiers have been repeatedly asked not to use tent pegs.

He pointed out that the site has attracted an unruly group that has resulted in two drug overdoses, including the tragic death of a young woman found in a tent earlier this month.

Protesters also have been involved in fist fights and assaulted police and firefighters who arrived to put out a fire in a steel barrel.

Protesters claimed it was a "sacred fire" started by first nations elders.

Parkin told the court that fire department has maintained a costly 24-hour watch at the site, which has used hundreds of hours of time taken away from regular duties.

That's one of the reasons an interim injunction should be granted, the city lawyer said.

He said protesters have largely complied with the judge's order last week to take down tarps that posed a fire and safety hazard, but it has been extremely expensive to have constant monitoring.

Occupy Vancouver began its occupation of the gallery's north plaza on Oct. 15.

Vancouver Mayor Gregor Robertson has said he wants the tent city to vacate the city property by Grey Cup weekend at the end of the month.

The injunction application hearing, which began Wednesday, is set for three days.

B.C. Supreme Court Associate Chief Justice Anne MacKenzie could give a ruling by Friday -- a day before the civic election. The mayor's handling of the Occupy Vancouver protest has become an election issue.

The judge accepted applications today from three people who want to be added by defendants in the injunction application.

One is long-time activist Betty Krwaczyk, 83, who was sentenced to 10 months in jail for defying a court order to vacate a protest at Eagleridge Bluffs in West Vancouver.

The protest was over sensitive habitat that was destroyed by upgrading the Sea to Sky Highway to Whistler before the 2010 Winter Olympics.

Krwaczyk, who is in court for the injunction proceedings, says she will be affected by an injunction if it is granted.

Lawyer Jason Gratl, representing one of the demonstrators, is opposed to granting the city's injunction application, saying it would violate the protesters' rights to freedom of expression.

"It would not be fitting in these circumstances to rely on a constitutionally suspect bylaw," he argued earlier.

"The structures themselves have expressive content," Gratl added. "They are political structures."

The defence lawyers have also argued that almost half of the people living in tents at Occupy Vancouver are homeless people.

http://www.vancouver...l#ixzz1e0HKBUJp
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Posted 17 November 2011 - 04:15 PM

The food carts being forced out by OV protesters including Re-up BBQ.

The house special is a pulled pork sandwich.

Your analogy was eggs and omelette so I responded with hog and pulled pork (sandwich).

Do try to keep up, eh?? Or you will again be hoist on your own petard. ;)


Oh Mah Gawd!! :shock:

@ that pulled pork sandwich.

So good.

My jocular and shameful response touched on the reality that though admittedly, the ironing was heavy, it may have been a case of friendly fire. An unfortunate result in the fog of protest.



And those without petards shall do no hoisting today, monsignor Wetcoaster. And as always he who hoists last hoists best. And my arms are quite tired from all the hoisting i've been doing today. :D

Got your nose....and your petard! :P

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Posted 17 November 2011 - 04:17 PM

The dude screams to be heard and free speech/protest but demonstrates nothing but rude behaviour. Mi Jung was very gracious about it :) . Protest corruption in banks? Banks in Canada are heavily regulated and did not and will not lend money to non qualified applicants...debt/equity ratios have always been 75/25 minimum and anything higher is via CMHC insured.

Protest corporate greed? Yes absolutely. Anyone doing anything illegal should be dealt with via white collar crime laws etc... but the highly paid execs...what can you do if the board of directors elected by the shareholders pay them w performance stock options. Elect NEW board of directors who will not compromise integrity for greed/profit.


But seriously this occupy vancouver seems more like squatting and just protesting b/c there is a protest going on. IMO

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Posted 17 November 2011 - 07:52 PM

35. We demand that post-secondary education be free with no hidden user fees. We demand that most outstanding student loans should be forgiven based upon income.

36. We demand that herbalists and naturopaths have their services covered by the health-care system.

39. We demand that prostitution be legalized and regulated as it is in New Zealand.

41. We demand the release of all non-violent prisoners.



uhh...some of these demands are just silly. They need to cut down the demands and make them more realistic.
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Posted 17 November 2011 - 07:59 PM

uhh...some of these demands are just silly. They need to cut down the demands and make them more realistic.

They are so silly that OV is now trying to claim they had nothing to do with them despite the fact they were posted on the official OV website. :lol:
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Posted 17 November 2011 - 10:22 PM

The only thing Occupy protesters have been successful at in my eyes is pissing me off.

Just being honest.


agree... these are the people that are no good to our society..

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Posted 17 November 2011 - 10:34 PM

uhh...some of these demands are just silly. They need to cut down the demands and make them more realistic.


I actually agree in spirit with a demand to allow things like vitamins and natural health products to be allowed to be covered under our health care.

It makes sense to encourage for our gov't to help people afford vita-nutrient therapy and products as it's becoming more and more difficult for more and more people to get them from food. That in turn makes us unhealthier as a population and burdens our already heavily burdened health care system.

Gov't should give tax credit or allow a certain amount to be covered by our health care coverage. Nutrition and supplemental nutrition IS health care.

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