aGENT Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 I guess that depends on your point of view. After two court injunctions, a community uprising and the threat of being removed by police and possibly arrested they left "of their own accord." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucks_dynasty Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 -Agree on the first point -That girl was just as likely to die in some alley in the DTES as she was at the VAG. Don't kid yourself. -I hope so Though I'm not sure picking "one thing" is the answer.... General corruption and corporate interference in government. Fair electoral system. Government waste. REAL job creation (no McJobs) etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 As far as I have read, the girl was from Victoria. Told her parents that she was visiting some friends in Vancouver. So I assume she still lived with her parents. I am unaware that she was a habitual drug user. Do you have any info to state otherwise? If not..then no...I don't think she would have died in DTES as she was at VAG. The TentCity encampment openly promoted drug use. The same cannot be said if it was justa protest. This is not Cairo where the masses (every single man, woman, child) are screaming for Democracy. Not everyone will be willing to force change and willing to die for it. There is a problem...but trying to change everything all at once is just doomed for failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonLever Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 <br />-Agree on the first point <img src='http://content.forum.canucks.com/public/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' /><br /><br />-That girl was just as likely to die in some alley in the DTES as she was at the VAG. Don't kid yourself.<br /><br />-I hope so <img src='http://content.forum.canucks.com/public/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' /> Though I'm not sure picking "one thing" is the answer.... General corruption and corporate interference in government. Fair electoral system. Government waste. REAL job creation (no McJobs) etc...<br /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucks_dynasty Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 If she went to Vancouver in search of drugs whether it was at a friends, at Occupy or in an alley somewhere she was just as likely to end up the same unfortunate end whether Occupy existed or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wetcoaster Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 So OV has "consensed" that it is time to end encampments but will continue with General Assemblies on the VAG site. Occupy Vancouver is shelving the tent city model of protest temporarily but will resume regular meetings outside the Vancouver Art Gallery. Occupy member Suresh Fernando said today the group will continue to hold evening general assemblies at the VAG, adding that there could be other forms of protest in the future. Fernando said the court injunction granted the city last week bans tents and built structures, "it doesn't prevent us from assembly at the art gallery." Fernando said that a "battery of police" prevent Occupy from erecting a camp at Grandview Park on Tuesday evening. He acknowledge that some neighbours in the Commercial Drive community were angry over the arrival of Occupy protesters at the park, but said his group didn't have enough time to "engage" with the community. Their venture into Commercial Drive, a neighbourhood with a long history of left-wing activism, came a few hours after the B.C. Supreme Court granted an injunction Tuesday against an Occupy encampment erected the day before at the Robson Square law courts. Associate Chief Justice Anne MacKenzie, who granted an earlier injunction to the city over the long-running Vancouver Art Gallery encampment, gave the protesters a 5 p.m. Tuesday deadline to leave their one-day-old camp at Robson Square. Protesters began dismantling tents minutes after the ruling Tuesday afternoon. http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Occupy+Vancouver+protesters+abandon+tent+city+plans/5756761/story.html#ixzz1eZVflkpi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buggernut Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 So OV has "consensed" that it is time to end encampments but will continue with General Assemblies on the VAG site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 <br /><br /><br /> Governments canot create jobs. This mantra about REAL jobs is getting tiresome. Please explain how the government can create jobs? Unless you talk about government jobs, only the private sector can create jobs. The government cannot just wave a wand, and voila!, 100,000 jobs. As for MCJobs, what is wrong with that. Most people don't stay in there forever. They gain valuable experience and move on. I know lots of kids who work at McDonalds and went on to high paying careers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucks_dynasty Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 They're called policies. You start with closing all the bad loopholes corporations use to not pay taxes and open good ones that benefit the country. For example you only give tax credits for skilled job creation at a minimum salary level in the design or production of things so jobs quit being shipped overseas. Or to companies that produce "green" products and technologies domestically . There's nothing wrong with McJobs (which doesn't simply refer to jobs solely at McDonalds BTW) for say teenagers but there is a problem when that's all and educated adult can get because there simply aren't other jobs out there. It's a problem when people are trying to raise families with those jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piezo117 Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 It's a problem with people trying to raise families with that turn to McJobs yes. However it's also an equally concerning problem with people STARTING families (and large ones too) with a McJob in tow. That's just terrible decision making. What are the proportions of these two different cases? Which came first? In the latter case these people don't have the skills (or work ethic if you want to go there) to progress past where they are at, regardless of the economic state. Some people may have selected the wrong skill set to learn, putting them on a career path that's completely incompatible with having a family. Even then, at the end of the day someone still has to do the unskilled work, this isn't just a thing for youngsters to do. Will biasing value towards skill based training and positions help these people out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Even then, at the end of the day someone still has to do the unskilled work, this isn't just a thing for youngsters to do. Will biasing value towards skill based training and positions help these people out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buggernut Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 It's a problem with people trying to raise families with that turn to McJobs yes. However it's also an equally concerning problem with people STARTING families (and large ones too) with a McJob in tow. That's just terrible decision making. What are the proportions of these two different cases? Which came first? In the latter case these people don't have the skills (or work ethic if you want to go there) to progress past where they are at, regardless of the economic state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buggernut Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 I thought that's what immigrants/illegals were for, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Do schmoozing skills play into the equation there? I hear people with connections and people skills generally get their foot in the door the workforce better than those with just direct practical work skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buggernut Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 It's not what you know but who you know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Common sense Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 And who you bl... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piezo117 Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Schmoozing imo plays into the equation predominantly in the public sector (I categorize schmoozing as unqualified people getting in based on connections), and the WHO you know thing is going to prevail no matter what. On the private end where I'm primarily situated any ordinary job posting results in HUNDREDS of applications within 24 hours. At that point we're just throwing darts on the board, so might as well turn to people we know to see if there are any referrals towards known, qualified commodities. Only way to solve this is to build more direct practicum placements in our education programs to give opportunities to make contact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buggernut Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 blame? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucks since 77 Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 Why not go to C.B.C for your info about the protest instead of reading about it in Wet's biased links and snide remarks. Or are you afraid of some truth? I have found numerous posts with links that you might find enlightening about how the gov,t and lawyers are involved with discrediting the protest through the media. Makes for a better read than the swill on this thread. Ta Ta I`m off to reality land , where comon sense and personal ethics hold sway over the corrupt legal system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucks since 77 Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 The reason this is the "worst possible picture" for you is that it depicts the OV movement as it is... too bad, so sad. Such is life. You chose to begin the belittlement and now you whine. So your avowed goal is to get the thread shut down because you position cannot stand up to informed criticism. That seems to be the sort of tactics being employed by OV protesters so at least you are in solidarity with them on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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