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Posted 28 February 2012 - 10:25 AM

:rolleyes:

The future captain of this team according to WHO, exactly? You? Fans? Here's a scoop........neither you or the fans of this team pick any captains, future or otherwise. A lot of people here are guilty of putting the horse before the Cody cart........and by the way, capitalizing the beginning of your sentences & player names, proper punctuation etc., would make your drivel here a tad more readable.......

Not to mention that this could have gone in any of the Cody threads that are already in existence.


You tell 'em, BB .. punctuation and grammar, oh, and a sense of humor, win the day .. :lol: .. :towel:
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 10:25 AM

Mike Gillis trade Hodgson because he wanted to punish the Boston Bruins . :rolleyes:
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 10:28 AM

rumour is cody's agent and dad pushed for this trade.

i would much rather overypay raymond and a 1st for moen or ott.

coach v never liked cody


i have a hard time picturing niklas jensen playing on this team

i also think coach v is a terrible coach on an amazing team.

one more thing this trade really worries me for what we can get for schnieder


1 - Cody's agent is enough to make you want to move anyone.
2 - I wouldn't give you Raymond or a 1st for Ott. let alone both
3 - premature ice-time controversy and Gallagher's obsession and fear of losing Cody = pain in the ass
4 - did you watch any of the preseason? Niklas Jensen was strong on the puck, intelligent, played well in his own end - the kid is the real deal - have a little patience
5 - AV a terrible coach? not even going to engage with that one.
6 - What we get for Schneider is Schneider - he stays
7 - what we got for Hodgson might surprise you once you've given yourself a chance to breathe...
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 10:29 AM

Boston fans and media are laughing at us right now thinking we can beat them by adding a bigger guy in the line up, while losing our top rookie cody.


If the Boston fans and media knew what they were doing they would not be Bruin's fans .. the average IQ of a Bruin fan is the square root of Lucic's SAT rating .. who gives a hooie WHAT the Bruin folks think?? .. :bored:
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 10:35 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WVrC0nScsU


Hahahaha....he had hockeydb.com open
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 10:52 AM

Oh boy


the joint is jumping today!!!
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 11:10 AM

hahah as soon as they announced the trade... first i was shocked, because i thought coho had been playing good..but then i thought... man cdc is going to blow up with the av hates coho... they never gave him a fare shake....bla bla bla...

and to the op.... speculation, hear say and rumours.... that is what you have based all your so called facts....
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 11:31 AM

and not enough guns......where's an AK47 when you need it?

Nashville, did you forget?
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 11:35 AM

agreed getting rid of white was okay, but are you gonna sit there and tell me that trading Grabner (got a 3 mil cap hit contract and is now a top 6 on nyi, granted he has discipline issues, but the guy doesn't suck getting 34 goals on a piece of crap nyi islander team) and a 1st round pick for Ballard our 5/6th D man at 4.2 million, and oreo who has been sitting in the ahl this whole year.... that was a good 1 right? only difference here is Hodgson was better than Grabner... Ballard had a good NHL history... Kassian is all potential... and Kassian doesn't have a retarded 4.2 million dollar cap hit...

Getting rid of Grabner was a fantastic idea. Getting 34 goals and 18 assists makes him suck, actually. Any competent top 6 forward will get 18+ assists just by moving the puck properly and being on the ice for 82 games. The only top 6 forwards who don't get more assists are specialists, shut down guys or face off experts. I challenge you to find a good top 6 forward with fewer assists than that. Grabner has consistently been near the 2:1 ratio of goals to assists, which means he doesn't use his linemates properly, he doesn't advance the puck properly or play a puck possession game, and he simply is not a top 6 player on any but the weakest teams. Also he was on a one way contract and he certainly would have been lost on waivers and never played for the Canucks again anyhow. Rather than lose him Gillis got something for him and now people who can't see the big picture whine about it. Face the facts: Grabner sucks.
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 11:41 AM

agreed getting rid of white was okay, but are you gonna sit there and tell me that trading Grabner (got a 3 mil cap hit contract and is now a top 6 on nyi, granted he has discipline issues, but the guy doesn't suck getting 34 goals on a piece of crap nyi islander team) and a 1st round pick for Ballard our 5/6th D man at 4.2 million, and oreo who has been sitting in the ahl this whole year.... that was a good 1 right? only difference here is Hodgson was better than Grabner... Ballard had a good NHL history... Kassian is all potential... and Kassian doesn't have a retarded 4.2 million dollar cap hit...

I know you already have heard all the points about how we likely would have lost Grabner to waivers anyways when he under performed at camp once again, but in hindsight we might have been able to get a different return for him that would have suited us better.

I bet you won't feel so bad about this one (considering both Kassian and Gragnani) in hindsight in a few years.
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 11:49 AM

Stop with all these idiotic misinformed Hodgson threads please. There's many already running, and it's not like the mob hasn't had it's share of words already.
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 12:08 PM

where's the minus button when you need it...
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 12:11 PM

ok, i think there is alot more to this deal than meets the eye. first the fact that when mike gillis was asked if cody asked for a trade he said no comment. which would make us think he did. but im sure we all heard cody's interview with james duthie the kid sounded really shocked. meaning most likely he didnt ask for one. rumour is cody's agent and dad pushed for this trade. now people saying he was never going to play before henrik and ryan acting like he is chained to only be a centerman. can he not just play on the second line wing?
sedin sedin burrows
booth kesler hodgson
higgins pahlson hansen

this kid was sopposed to be our future captian when kesler and sedin were gone. nothing against zack kassian i love the kid but i really strongly beleive we could have adressed our toughness issue without trading hodgson like cmon. i would much rather overypay raymond and a 1st for moen or ott.

coach v never liked cody he never liked shirokov he never liked grabner. i have a hard time picturing niklas jensen playing on this team same with schroader. and with kassian i think he is going to be treated like ballard. he is going to make him a healthy scratch in the playoffs only playing him when we have injuries. which would make this trade look extremely bad. cody could have played wing with kesler everyone would have been happy we would have the defence/checking 3rd line. cody hodgson dosn't have one negative thing to his game, he has all the traits to be a great team leader. the truth is we could have adressed our toughness issue without trading cody.
i also think coach v is a terrible coach on an amazing team.
one more thing this trade really worries me for what we can get for schnieder


Where is all this "never liked" bollocks coming from. Put up a source or admit you are making it all up. AV nurtured Hodgson like a doting father.
Can ye no' haud yer wheesht until the the guy has at least had time to unpack his bags before you start making up your soor faced scenarios.
Playing Cody on the wing.........that's your answer.......and you say AV lacks in coaching skills. He coaches the amazing team, that's why it's amazing and not like 25 of the other also rans in the league.

As for your Schneider remark. This trade probably helps us keep Schneider for longer.
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 12:15 PM

If the Boston fans and media knew what they were doing they would not be Bruin's fans .. the average IQ of a Bruin fan is the square root of Lucic's SAT rating .. who gives a hooie WHAT the Bruin folks think?? .. :bored:


A cracking post. That's the spirit!
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 12:24 PM

agreed getting rid of white was okay, but are you gonna sit there and tell me that trading Grabner (got a 3 mil cap hit contract and is now a top 6 on nyi, granted he has discipline issues, but the guy doesn't suck getting 34 goals on a piece of crap nyi islander team) and a 1st round pick for Ballard our 5/6th D man at 4.2 million, and oreo who has been sitting in the ahl this whole year.... that was a good 1 right? only difference here is Hodgson was better than Grabner... Ballard had a good NHL history... Kassian is all potential... and Kassian doesn't have a retarded 4.2 million dollar cap hit...


If you care to take a look at the stats, In 61 games Grabner has 15 goals, 25 points and is a -16 this year. Forget about last year.
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 12:25 PM

:rolleyes:

The future captain of this team according to WHO, exactly? You? Fans? Here's a scoop........neither you or the fans of this team pick any captains, future or otherwise. A lot of people here are guilty of putting the horse before the Cody cart........and by the way, capitalizing the beginning of your sentences & player names, proper punctuation etc.,  would make your drivel here a tad more readable.......

Not to mention that this could have gone in any of the Cody threads that are already in existence.


Even the players in the locker room would bug him about being the future captain and call him cap'n cody.
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 12:37 PM

When Hank and Dank retire Hodgson will be back in a Vancouver uniform.
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 12:49 PM

Getting rid of Grabner was a fantastic idea. Getting 34 goals and 18 assists makes him suck, actually. Any competent top 6 forward will get 18+ assists just by moving the puck properly and being on the ice for 82 games. The only top 6 forwards who don't get more assists are specialists, shut down guys or face off experts. I challenge you to find a good top 6 forward with fewer assists than that. Grabner has consistently been near the 2:1 ratio of goals to assists, which means he doesn't use his linemates properly, he doesn't advance the puck properly or play a puck possession game, and he simply is not a top 6 player on any but the weakest teams. Also he was on a one way contract and he certainly would have been lost on waivers and never played for the Canucks again anyhow. Rather than lose him Gillis got something for him and now people who can't see the big picture whine about it. Face the facts: Grabner sucks.


Jordan Staal Arguably, Nystrom is gettin old not sure what line hes on, David Clarkson from NJ... nhl all star milan michalek...

Perry is a little heavy on the goals too...


Grabner was 50/50 with goals and assists with nucks pretty much, maybe islanders asked him to play a different style of game?


Grabner was killing penalties too obviously... 6 of those 34 goals came shorthanded.. only 2 on the pp.. finished a plus 13 on a crape team... put ur fuzzy goggles back on buds...
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 12:59 PM

Grabner sucks. Patrick White is in some third tier German league. Pre-Gillis drafting was mostly bad. Hodgson didn't fit the third line center role, etc.

How about the mods add a skill testing question before people can make new CoHo topics?


Uhhh...

1998 - Bryan Allen Jarkko Ruutu (Two names Ive heard all over CDC wanting them back)

1999 - Our top line H + D Sedin

2001 - RJ Umberger + Kevin Bieksa (Both NHL Status, think one is on our team quarterbacking PP)

2003 - Ryan Kesler (Selke Trophy winner, Think he plays with nucks..)

2004 - Corey Schneider, Alex Edler, Jannik Hansen (sound familiar?)

2005 - Luc Bourdon (RIP), Mason Raymond (derp), Aquire Burrows

2006 - Grabner

2008 - Mike Gillis Arrives
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 01:07 PM

Grabner's stats show him to be that way all throughout his background. The exception is his first year with the Moose. Whatever goggles you are wearing, take'em off. He was known for his self centered play before he was drafted and after.

Staal does far more than Grabner ever could and only had that near 2:1 ratio twice in six years. Michalek has a couple years with more goals than assists, with Grabner its the other way around. Clarkson brings a lot more than just points, like massive penalty minutes.

Face the facts. It was well understood what kind of player Grabner was even prior to the draft. He had speed and a shot and did next to nothing for his linemates. Nothing changed after he was drafted. He would never be a top six forward on a good team. Look at his stats this year also, not just last year.

Grabner sucks. I think he will play the majority of his career in some euro league.
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 01:11 PM

he was a captain and leader of his ohl team. he won player of the game in the wj finals, scores clutch goals internationally and n the nhl. extremely polite and well spoken. a leader on the ice. he is just an amazing person. dosnt take an idiot to think he will be a captain for any team one day


He the new Chris Drury. Kassian is the new Bertuzzi.

I like the deal on both sides.

Also don't sleep on Schroeder, he has been a winner and is a leader as well.
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 01:11 PM

Oh please. Did you think that I meant pre-Gillis drafting to mean ten years ago? Twenty? Thirty? No, obviously I meant the previous GM. Some people will defend Grabner to the death, but this is a lost cause. Give it a rest, he sucks and would never make it on the Canucks.
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 02:11 PM

I think I am defending the wrong point, I don't want grabs on my team... saying you don't get to the NHL and score 30 + goals if you suck, the chances of making it to where he is at, is slim to none.

What I am trying to say is MG hands away our draft picks and future draft picks away easily. I mean, you can't say taking on Ballards 4.2 mil cap hit was the smartest idea...

There are better ways to dump a player...

And Coho.. he has made himself a nice resume in the NHL playing for the Canucks, doesn't that count for something?

We are going to have to train Kassian, giving him fewer responsiblities than Hodgson...

I just think MG should have gotten a bit more, maybe a 3rd round pick or something to sweeten the deal.

I do understand the logic to this trade. It does make the Canuck Roster a bit more intimidating (assuming the guy doesn't get suspended, and he finds chemistry with the team).
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 02:31 PM

Oh please. Did you think that I meant pre-Gillis drafting to mean ten years ago? Twenty? Thirty? No, obviously I meant the previous GM. Some people will defend Grabner to the death, but this is a lost cause. Give it a rest, he sucks and would never make it on the Canucks.


Ok then... Dave Nonis was the GM prior to Gillis....

2004 - Corey Schneider, Alex Edler, Jannik Hansen (sound familiar?)

2005 - Luc Bourdon (RIP), Mason Raymond (derp), Aquire Burrows

2006 - Grabner

2008 - Mike Gillis Arrives





Of the 7 I named... 5 are on the current roster that Mr. Gillis has chosen to keep, 1 has moved, and one was involved in a fatal accident.

Edited by Captain Hindsight, 28 February 2012 - 02:32 PM.

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 02:34 PM

Grabner's stats show him to be that way all throughout his background. The exception is his first year with the Moose. Whatever goggles you are wearing, take'em off. He was known for his self centered play before he was drafted and after.

Staal does far more than Grabner ever could and only had that near 2:1 ratio twice in six years. Michalek has a couple years with more goals than assists, with Grabner its the other way around. Clarkson brings a lot more than just points, like massive penalty minutes.

Face the facts. It was well understood what kind of player Grabner was even prior to the draft. He had speed and a shot and did next to nothing for his linemates. Nothing changed after he was drafted. He would never be a top six forward on a good team. Look at his stats this year also, not just last year.

Grabner sucks. I think he will play the majority of his career in some euro league.


Do you remember the debate, son?
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 02:38 PM

ok, i think there is alot more to this deal than meets the eye. first the fact that when mike gillis was asked if cody asked for a trade he said no comment. which would make us think he did. but im sure we all heard cody's interview with james duthie the kid sounded really shocked. meaning most likely he didnt ask for one. rumour is cody's agent and dad pushed for this trade. now people saying he was never going to play before henrik and ryan acting like he is chained to only be a centerman. can he not just play on the second line wing?
sedin sedin burrows
booth kesler hodgson
higgins pahlson hansen

this kid was sopposed to be our future captian when kesler and sedin were gone. nothing against zack kassian i love the kid but i really strongly beleive we could have adressed our toughness issue without trading hodgson like cmon. i would much rather overypay raymond and a 1st for moen or ott.

coach v never liked cody he never liked shirokov he never liked grabner. i have a hard time picturing niklas jensen playing on this team same with schroader. and with kassian i think he is going to be treated like ballard. he is going to make him a healthy scratch in the playoffs only playing him when we have injuries. which would make this trade look extremely bad. cody could have played wing with kesler everyone would have been happy we would have the defence/checking 3rd line. cody hodgson dosn't have one negative thing to his game, he has all the traits to be a great team leader. the truth is we could have adressed our toughness issue without trading cody.
i also think coach v is a terrible coach on an amazing team.
one more thing this trade really worries me for what we can get for schnieder


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Posted 28 February 2012 - 03:32 PM

:rolleyes:

The future captain of this team according to WHO, exactly? You? Fans? Here's a scoop........neither you or the fans of this team pick any captains, future or otherwise. A lot of people here are guilty of putting the horse before the Cody cart........and by the way, capitalizing the beginning of your sentences & player names, proper punctuation etc., would make your drivel here a tad more readable.......

Not to mention that this could have gone in any of the Cody threads that are already in existence.


I officially have a crush on Bertuzzi Babe. So well said. Bravo +1
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 03:34 PM

he was a captain and leader of his ohl team. he won player of the game in the wj finals, scores clutch goals internationally and n the nhl. extremely polite and well spoken. a leader on the ice. he is just an amazing person. dosnt take an idiot to think he will be a captain for any team one day


Good points. However you still refuse to use capital letters. Why?
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 03:49 PM

Do you remember the debate, son?

1/3 of his years having more goals than assists is much different than a career (at all levels) where Grabner posts a 2:1 ratio of goals to assists. Have you forgotten the debate, son?

Seriously, its like you are going out of your way to misinterpret anything I say. You want Grabner but you don't want Grabner? WTF? You want me to debate your self-chosen selection of draft picks and ignore the failures? You want to discuss Nonis trading away picks and comparing that to picks Gillis traded away? You want to discuss the trade deadline moves Nonis made and wasted picks on? Have you forgotten that?


Until you show the ability to understand me there isn't any point in debating your (deliberate?) misinterpretation.

PS Grabner sucks. Only the worst teams in the league would accept a player like him, and not for long.
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