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Let's Face It, Kesler Is Better Suited To Be A 3Rd Line Center


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Posted 29 April 2012 - 05:24 PM

You are ridiculous. I'm disgusted by these so called fans. These fans are the reason why our organization comes across poorly. We really need to step up for our team and believe in our players! im proud to be a canucks fan and will always be no matter what, but these topics and these "fans" are horendous! To most of those that believe in our players and the team, you guys are awesome! Kes is definitely a second liner, no doubt. GO CANUCKS GO!

Thank you i am happy with the team managment puts on the ice, they like us have the same goal win the cup.

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 05:29 PM

Kesler would be good as the third, second line center or moved to the wing.
The idea of trading him next year should not be swept to side either; if the right return was offfered I believe that management would let him go.
Kesler's trade value is high right now, but if next year he has another off year his trade value would go down considerably. Either way if we trade him or keep him it is a 50/50 gamble that the player(s) we get back for him would have chemistry with the team or Kes can regain his form.

I do like that Kes has stated that he will work hard in the off season to regain form; this could also be good in trade to get back the highest value for him.

I do believe right now in Kesler's career his trade value is extremely high, even though he had an off season, and the return for him in a trade would help the team. Do not ask me who van could get back; Philadelphia got back good return for Carter and Richards. Kesler could fetch the same or better, and all 30 teams would be offering players.

I love Kes,but if the right return came Vans way I would not be sad to see him go.

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 05:33 PM

Kesler would be good as the third, second line center or moved to the wing.
The idea of trading him next year should not be swept to side either; if the right return was offfered I believe that management would let him go.
Kesler's trade value is high right now, but if next year he has another off year his trade value would go down considerably. Either way if we trade him or keep him it is a 50/50 gamble that the player(s) we get back for him would have chemistry with the team or Kes can regain his form.

I do like that Kes has stated that he will work hard in the off season to regain form; this could also be good in trade to get back the highest value for him.

I do believe right now in Kesler's career his trade value is extremely high, even though he had an off season, and the return for him in a trade would help the team. Do not ask me who van could get back; Philadelphia got back good return for Carter and Richards. Kesler could fetch the same or better, and all 30 teams would be offering players.

I love Kes,but if the right return came Vans way I would not be sad to see him go.

What type of return are you looking for?
Would you do Rick Nash for him?
I would be uneasy about that one.
It could work out, but it's more of a gamble than keeping Kesler, I'd say.
What player would actually be worth Kesler to you?

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 05:38 PM

Even Penguin fans didn't turn on Fleury after a dismal playoff


lmao yeah they did. have u seen the pens forum?

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 05:49 PM

What type of return are you looking for?
Would you do Rick Nash for him?
I would be uneasy about that one.
It could work out, but it's more of a gamble than keeping Kesler, I'd say.
What player would actually be worth Kesler to you?


This is an impossible question to answer, because I would have to know who and what is avaible; picks, propects, core players ect. I would love to know what other teams would offer, but that is just not possible for the average person. I'm not going to just wish for players that I like, this is not how it works.

Nash would be interesting, with the right players( maybe the sedins) he is one of most dangerous player in the world(Olympic and international stats).
Parise maybe?

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 05:49 PM

How do we know Gillis was not willing to put up with his regime's past mistakes?

How do we know that it was not his regime's past mistakes that made his relationships with Cody's agents untenable?

Nobody here considers that it may not have been issues Cody was entirely responsible for.


Obviously we don't know what the issues were, so we can only guess. At this point, I don't think it actually matters "whose fault it is". There was a problem that needed to be solved one way or another, and it was. Why do so many people have such a problem accepting that? You can speculate about what the problem was, but again, it really doesn't matter. It's all speculation, and this resolution (the trade) will likely benefit Cody AND the team in the long run.

Sure...If you remove the series against a beat up SJS team, the Sedins were non-factors for the playoffs and the reason the team only scored 8 goals in 7 games in teh finals. That is their role!!! They were a comined -20 in the playoffs - Brad Marchand alone was +12!! . While they had some success early in the playoffs on the PP, particularly against SJS, they were brutal 5 on 5. For guys who were top of the league during the season in scoring to not put up any decent numbers for 3 of 4 series, that is what I call "can't score"!

Look...I have a lot of respect for the Sedins. HTey are all class and very talented but quit pretending they are something they aren't. To-date, they have not shown they can be effective in a tight-checking, hard-hitting, fast paced environment like the playoffs. They are PP and 4 on 4 specialists who have been unable to achieve success 5 on 5.


I was talking about this year since you didn't specify before... but anyway, in each series (LA this year, Boston last year) the team scored a total of 8 goals. 5 points from the Sedins in the Boston series, 7 in the LA series. Sure, maybe they could have done more, but a lot of other players could have done more. It's ridiculous to hold the Sedins liable for not scoring and not consider the rest of the team, so... what would you do based on last year's performance? Would you have traded away anyone whose name isn't Hansen, Lapierre, Burrows or Edler?

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 06:35 PM

Obviously we don't know what the issues were, so we can only guess. At this point, I don't think it actually matters "whose fault it is". There was a problem that needed to be solved one way or another, and it was. Why do so many people have such a problem accepting that? You can speculate about what the problem was, but again, it really doesn't matter. It's all speculation, and this resolution (the trade) will likely benefit Cody AND the team in the long run.



I was talking about this year since you didn't specify before... but anyway, in each series (LA this year, Boston last year) the team scored a total of 8 goals. 5 points from the Sedins in the Boston series, 7 in the LA series. Sure, maybe they could have done more, but a lot of other players could have done more. It's ridiculous to hold the Sedins liable for not scoring and not consider the rest of the team, so... what would you do based on last year's performance? Would you have traded away anyone whose name isn't Hansen, Lapierre, Burrows or Edler?


Why is it ridiculous to expect your top scorers to score? You know the old addage "if you're going to be successful, your best players have to play their best." Ours didn't. Historically, SC winning teams have top players that increase their performance during the playoffs. I believe every playoffs the Nucks have played with the Sedins in the lineup their productivity has dropped. Would I trade the Sedins? Likely not, but I would be trying harder to find a solution to their playoff woes. Continuing to put them out with Burrows or Booth in the playoffs is wasting their time here. It doesn't work. Either keep them and give them the linemate that will allow them to succeed in the playoffs, accept that they will be regular season performers but not likely bring the cup home, or trade them and restructure the team around different players.

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 06:55 PM

I know they are paid a lot of money to play the game, but no amount of money can't prevent the mental toll that those kind of events have on a person and at the end of the day, these guys are human beings just like the rest of us.


Sorry, but at the end of the day, we are all stakeholders to the canucks organization. Ultimately, it is a business, and we want results!

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 09:03 PM

Let's face it, this thread is better suited to be in the trash bin.

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 09:47 PM

This is an impossible question to answer, because I would have to know who and what is avaible; picks, propects, core players ect. I would love to know what other teams would offer, but that is just not possible for the average person. I'm not going to just wish for players that I like, this is not how it works.

Nash would be interesting, with the right players( maybe the sedins) he is one of most dangerous player in the world(Olympic and international stats).
Parise maybe?

Yeah, Parise was the other name that came to mind.

It's not easy to narrow down possible suitors either, because what team WOULDN'T want a Kesler on their team?

If you can't answer that, then doubt he'll be traded, but even Gretzky was traded, so anything can happen.

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 10:07 PM

He came from a injury in the start of the year, everybody needs to relax and wait til next season


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Posted 29 April 2012 - 11:37 PM

hodgson better than kes? really guys i dont remeber him scoring 41 goals nor that he will anytime soon
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Posted 30 April 2012 - 02:15 AM

Wow, what a epic post. Another Kes bashing. Yikes, it is a wonder the Canucks want to play in front of "fans" like these.

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 02:28 AM

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Haha exactly my thoughts. Kesler just needs a good offseason.

Give him a break. He needs players like manny, hansen, burrow and possibly pauhlsson to take some of that pk tim off his minutes so that 5on5 hes able to give it his all, especially in the playoffs.

He averaged somewhere around 23 minutes a game, and for kes those aren't little figure skating minutes like you see from raymond, they are hard minutes most the time against the other teams top defensive line. The way he plays its probably equivalent to 30 minutes.
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Posted 30 April 2012 - 03:09 AM

Kesler was injured this year, he is a fine 2nd line centre, this thread is ridiculous.

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 07:19 AM

I can't say that Kesler is my favourite player but he is a very good second line centre. He is definitely one of the top ten second line centres in the NHL and at times has been close to being the best.

His attitude at times is troubling but he can play. I find when teams can get him frustrated or off his game he becomes selfish. He went away from that last year but this year the old Kesler seemed to be back.

But he is not going to play third line minutes. Are you going to put a 5'9" unproven player in Jordan Schroeder ahead of him? That's insanity. And the end of Kesler here. He will go crazy if that were to happen.

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 07:28 AM

Kes has admitted to "having an 'off' season" ... I wish I could just take a year off and have such a ho-hum attitude about it ......... Maybe he should give some of the $5mil back? If he were half as worried about playing the game as he was about diving around like a complete bufoon, I'm sure he could turn it on whenever he chose to. This is the problem with high dollar, long term contracts ... Some players aren't able to keep the level of intensity that earned them the salary in the first place. Shame on you Kes.

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 07:55 AM

booth is still going to be on his line and they are going work on their on-ice chemistry during this off-season


I think the only thing they can do to improve there on ice chemistry is each has an electric shock coller and the other has the remote button. If they don't pass to the player in better position they get zapped.

They don't work on the same line they play too much the same game, and don't like to use there line mates.

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 08:12 AM

I think the only thing they can do to improve there on ice chemistry is each has an electric shock coller and the other has the remote button. If they don't pass to the player in better position they get zapped.

They don't work on the same line they play too much the same game, and don't like to use there line mates.


Two players who don't pass? Could this be our 9.5 million dollar PK??

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 08:14 AM

He scored 40 goals the previous season, also the 2nd line has been a revolving door, hard to build chemistry when you have different line mates every season.

Give your head a shake buddy, Kesler just needs a play maker to solidify his line.

As for utilizing his defensive abilities, 1st unit penalty kill, OT.

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 08:18 AM

I think the only thing they can do to improve there on ice chemistry is each has an electric shock coller and the other has the remote button. If they don't pass to the player in better position they get zapped.

They don't work on the same line they play too much the same game, and don't like to use there line mates.


Agreed. They really need a playmaker on that line. And Kesler isn't a playmaker. I've always thought he plays more like a power forward. Sorta like Owen Nolan.

Really wish AV would have tried Booth-Hodgson-Kesler for a few games and see how that worked.

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 10:12 AM

Remember, in 09/10 Raymond equaled Kesler with 25 goals. Perhaps Raymond wouldn't have been so bad if Kesler played more like he did that season. Problem is, you guys have such short memories. Not only did Kesler and Raymond enjoy some success together that year but they actually had some really good chemistry...


There seems to be a lot of short memories around here...

A large chunk of Raymond's goals that season came when Daniel Sedin was injured, so he was playing on the top line with Henrik and Burrows. That was the only time in his career that he was scoring around a 30-goal pace.

After Daniel came back, and Raymond was put with Kesler again, he was back to being ice-cold.

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 12:47 PM

Even Penguin fans didn't turn on Fleury after a dismal playoff


It helps that the REAL team in Pittsburgh are the Steelers who are a perennial powerhouse.

Penguins fans are Steelers fans first, they don't care if the goalie sucks or not. They'll just turn on the ball game.

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 01:10 PM

There seems to be a lot of short memories around here...

A large chunk of Raymond's goals that season came when Daniel Sedin was injured, so he was playing on the top line with Henrik and Burrows. That was the only time in his career that he was scoring around a 30-goal pace.

After Daniel came back, and Raymond was put with Kesler again, he was back to being ice-cold.

.......You said it!!!Your last line outlines that Raymonds problem is Kesler.As I have said many times Kesler is the common denominator amongst players not succeeding on the 2nd line.

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 01:18 PM

if he comes out and does sweet **** all next year in the playofffs and comes out and says "I was playing Injured," I think it would be time for him to move on. I think hes a great player but if hes not durable enough to contribute in the play offs then MG should explore other options.

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 01:48 PM

.......You said it!!!Your last line outlines that Raymonds problem is Kesler.As I have said many times Kesler is the common denominator amongst players not succeeding on the 2nd line.


Raymond has had time with all sorts of line combinations since, but has not been able to replicate that one stretch of success. So by your judgment, that would make Henrik/Hodgson/Pahlsson Raymond's problem as well?

Raymond is a decent 15-20 goal scorer, who had a great 1/2 season stretch that made everyone think he is a 20-30 goal scorer. This year the situation looked worse because he was playing hurt.

If he can recover this offseason, he'll still be a decent 3rd-liner that can play top-6 when needed. He'll have to take a slight paycut if he wants it to be in Vancouver, though.

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 07:53 PM

I disagree. Kesler is the perfect second line center. He had one off season and it's instant freak out and send him down a line. Kesler the two previous seasons put up over 70 pts. He won the Selke in the 10-11 season, played a huge role in getting the Canucks to the cup finals. He took the Canucks out of the semi finals vs the Predators last year.
Now the mention of Cody Hodgson, sure he's looking good to become a top 6 in the NHL. But in Vancouver. No. I'm sure he will fill in a great spot in buffalo as a top 6 forward. Im going to stick with Kesler producing another 65+ points when he gets on his game again. Kesler is one of the best two way forwards in the game, he uses his body well, and is capable of a great shutdown game, fast, and when he is on his game is capable of putting up 25+ goals while doing what kes does best. While cody is good at what he does and probably will get better, it's
hard to argue that Hodgson is a better second
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Posted 30 April 2012 - 09:05 PM

This is ridiculous, on half the teams in the NHL, Kelser is a First line Center, on every other team he's an uncontested second line center...

He has literally one bad season after coming back from a serious... possibly career ending injury, and we just throw him under the bus? come on guys... Name one other team in the HISTORY of the NHL that had a 3rd line center with two 70+ point seasons, and a forty goal season at what 27???

THIS IS RIDICULOUS, AND WHY CANUCKS FANS GET A BAD WRAP AROUND THE LEAGUE.
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Posted 30 April 2012 - 09:08 PM

I'm more shocked at the support OP got than the actual stupidity they posted.




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