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#91 Kack Zassian

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 01:18 PM

So luongo is worth less and costs more

And you want to trade Cory?


I never said I want to trade Cory.

The marginal value of Luongo and a solid return for Cory is greater than the marginal value of Cory and a diminished return for Luongo.

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 01:21 PM

Well let me ask you this: would you rather have great goalies like Ron Hextall or Curtis Joseph in net for you, or Chris Osgood?

My point is obvious... stats on paper do not matter, clutch playoff performances do ie. Quick, Thomas, Ward, Brodeur, Roy etc. I think it is time for some Canuck fans to take their blinders off (along with their "I'm a true Canuck fan because I stick behind Roberto!") and realize that he is not a clutch performer, hasn't been since he ever stepped foot in a big game crease, and possibly never will be. Schneider is simply a younger, faster, more athletic and level headed goalie. It is time for Nuck Nation to move on from the roller coaster that is Roberto Luongo... unfortunately might I add.


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Posted 14 June 2012 - 01:22 PM

Dream on cmpunk !! Wish uopon a star, but it ain;t going to happen here !! Lou is nowhere as good as Schneider is now !! Lou himself, has said that Schneider will be a star in this league for years to come, the team went with Schneids after Lou faltered against LA. What part of this don;t you get? Wake up man...the writings on the walll !!

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 01:22 PM

I think both sides of this argument have blinders on that need to be taken off.


That is what frustrates me it is not as simple a situation as some would like us to believe. There are many argument for and against both sides but all the loudest people are busy crucifying the other side or the argument. It is getting pretty irritating and I would just like what ever is going to go underway to happen already. :frantic:

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 01:24 PM

I'm 99% certain that the people who still want Luongo around are the people who purchased Luongo jersey's and want to keep them relevant. I don't see how anyone would not want a fresh start in net with a young, stud goalie that's been coming up through our system.


It's funny because it's true :emot-parrot:

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 01:28 PM

Trading either or keeping both are all decent options. We are in a good position with goaltending no matter what. Cheers.


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I think both sides of this argument have blinders on that need to be taken off.


I really don't think there should be 2 sides to this whole debate.

People will be mad if we trade Luongo, and people will be mad if we trade Schneider. MG isn't going to make everyone happy.

Really, I want to see the best team iced regardless of who is traded.

If MG isn't going to get market value for Luongo, but he will get above market value for Schneider its a no-brainer.

If the value is similar between the two, you likely want to go with the younger/cheaper option.

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 01:33 PM

He stole three games in the Boston series, the team couldn't score, hardly his fault.


Am I the only one who realizes that the reason why our offense doesn't score a lot of goals in the playoffs is because the playoffs are a time for low scoring games, as goalies play better and make clutch saves, that is unless your name is Roberto Luongo...

just saying :bigblush:


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Posted 14 June 2012 - 01:38 PM

Maybe because when he played at the olympics he had a stack full team of defense who knows how to play defense, and when he played in the playoffs especially this year he had NO DEFENSE, a goalie can only keep a team in it long enough. When your D blows so bad, that they allow breakaway after breakaway, and turn over after turn over, and odd man chances 2 on 1's time and time again, YOU CAN NOT BLAME YOUR GOALIE PERIOD.

Also the elimination games you speak of with the goals that Lu allowed, how many goals did Vancouver actually score? Well I just checked and besides the Chicago one where they scored 5 which is pretty much the only good argument one, the other game was 0 the other 2 games were 1 goal, you can't win if your only putting up 1 or 0 goals.


So appearly this team has a problem all around. Goalies can't make the save when the team need it the most, Dman give up too many high scoreing chances, forwards can't score, and this core needs to be traded to move forward.

A lot of pointed fingers.

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 01:41 PM

Am I the only one who realizes that the reason why our offense doesn't score a lot of goals in the playoffs is because the playoffs are a time for low scoring games, as goalies play better and make clutch saves, that is unless your name is Roberto Luongo...

just saying :bigblush:


p.s

blinders off people!!!


Am I the only one who realizes that when Luongo is in net the D jumps up into the zone a lot more, which then creates a lot more odd man chances against us, and they are always counting on Lu to bail them out. When Cory is in net the D plays a more defensive game, and don't take as many chances as they would when Lu is in net. Just saying.

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 01:41 PM

Am I the only one who realizes that the reason why our offense doesn't score a lot of goals in the playoffs is because the playoffs are a time for low scoring games, as goalies play better and make clutch saves, that is unless your name is Roberto Luongo...

just saying :bigblush:


p.s

blinders off people!!!


Thomas set a playoff record for saves made.

Nucks peppered him and he stood tall and gave his team a chance to win EVERY GAME. That was the difference.

Edited by TimberWolf, 14 June 2012 - 01:43 PM.

I was saying Lu-Urns...

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 01:44 PM

Am I the only one who realizes that when Luongo is in net the D jumps up into the zone a lot more, which then creates a lot more odd man chances against us, and they are always counting on Lu to bail them out. When Cory is in net the D plays a more defensive game, and don't take as many chances as they would when Lu is in net. Just saying.


Nope, blaming the D has happened many times in this thread, so you are not alone at all.

I was saying Lu-Urns...

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 01:46 PM

So appearly this team has a problem all around. Goalies can't make the save when the team need it the most, Dman give up too many high scoreing chances, forwards can't score, and this core needs to be traded to move forward.

A lot of pointed fingers.


I'll agree with everything except for the core, the core needs to stay, the D we have to many D that want to jump in the rush time and time again, we need another stay at home D like a Mitchell. The Sedins need a big power forward who can score and not be pushed around. Oh and a new coach and this team is a Stanley Cup team, I'm tired of AV's mistakes year after year, and tired of people making excuses for this guy about his mistakes and that well he will learn from his mistakes, your a freaking NHL coach this isn't the minors to learn.

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 01:56 PM

If you ask me Quick didnt need to be clutch in the entire playoffs and didnt steal a game because he sure didn't need to with how well the entire team played for him. Quick had great numbers but I don't remember a game this entire SCF where he had to make over 30 saves. I don't think he should have won the Conn Smythe. The Kings would have won with their back up

Quick did not make a large quantity of saves, but the quality was astounding.
Saying the Kings would have won with their back-up supposes their back-up could have got them to the finals in the first place. I think you would have the entire LA Kings roster disagree with you on that, including their back-up.

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Miller is not on our list. It's Lack as our #1. There is no reason we would have traded both Schnieder and Luongo if we never intended to give Lack the #1 starting job.  Furthermore, the salary and term Miller is looking for is not in our favor.

 


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Posted 14 June 2012 - 02:01 PM

Then these little articles pop up in the media and the Luongo cult rejoices then rubs it in the face of everyone.


But in the case of any article written that criticizes Luongo, they attack the author as being . . . ready for it . . . biased. Or an idiot.

Snake Doctor, on 23 May 2014 - 10:41 AM, said:snapback.png

Miller is not on our list. It's Lack as our #1. There is no reason we would have traded both Schnieder and Luongo if we never intended to give Lack the #1 starting job.  Furthermore, the salary and term Miller is looking for is not in our favor.

 


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Posted 14 June 2012 - 02:04 PM

Thomas set a playoff record for saves made.

Nucks peppered him and he stood tall and gave his team a chance to win EVERY GAME. That was the difference.


This is exactly my point. We peppered Thomas with shots and he came up huge like every cup winning goaltender. Boston, Chicago et al don't even need to pepper Lou and they score so many times that we might as well have put a shooter tutor in net... DAMN YOU SHOOTER TUTOR!!! such a good goalie, he's like playing tennis against the wall for me, he wins every time!!!

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 02:05 PM

Am I the only one who realizes that the reason why our offense doesn't score a lot of goals in the playoffs is because the playoffs are a time for low scoring games, as goalies play better and make clutch saves, that is unless your name is Roberto Luongo...

just saying :bigblush:


p.s

blinders off people!!!

Yes yet there are still people purposely blinding themselves and putting most of the blame on the offense even now.

For example I am willing to bet most fans don't realize that the 8 goals we scored against Los Angeles is the most that any team has managed against them in this post season. The main problem that canucks lost clearly is in the defense and goaltending. LA beat us through their defense (yes taking into account how our defense played on those shorthanded chances) and goaltending as well as the 4 other teams that rarely can manage to score 2 goals against them in a game. I guess if we follow the logic of most of the Luongo apologists which seems to be the larger portion of the people on this board, then the offense level of every single team (except LA) in this years playoffs is not up to standards for our team...

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 02:09 PM

Yes yet there are still people purposely blinding themselves and putting most of the blame on the offense even now.

For example I am willing to bet most fans don't realize that the 8 goals we scored against Los Angeles is the most that any team has managed against them in this post season. The main problem that canucks lost clearly is in the defense and goaltending. LA beat us through their defense (yes taking into account how our defense played on those shorthanded chances) and goaltending as well as the 4 other teams that rarely can manage to score 2 goals against them in a game. I guess if we follow the logic of most of the Luongo apologists which seems to be the larger portion of the people on this board, then the offense level of every single team (except LA) in this years playoffs is not up to standards for our team...

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Snake Doctor, on 23 May 2014 - 10:41 AM, said:snapback.png

Miller is not on our list. It's Lack as our #1. There is no reason we would have traded both Schnieder and Luongo if we never intended to give Lack the #1 starting job.  Furthermore, the salary and term Miller is looking for is not in our favor.

 


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Posted 14 June 2012 - 02:18 PM

I'll agree with everything except for the core, the core needs to stay, the D we have to many D that want to jump in the rush time and time again, we need another stay at home D like a Mitchell. The Sedins need a big power forward who can score and not be pushed around. Oh and a new coach and this team is a Stanley Cup team, I'm tired of AV's mistakes year after year, and tired of people making excuses for this guy about his mistakes and that well he will learn from his mistakes, your a freaking NHL coach this isn't the minors to learn.


THe challenge for GM was that after AV "learning" from all his mistakes/shortcomings over the last 6 years, he may (and I am not convinced) have learnt enough to actually coach a SC champion. Letting him go now, could have meant that another team benefitted from all he learned at our expense.

Still not convinced AV has the right tools, regardless of how much he has learned to get a team over the top. Some will say he got us to game 7 last year but the repsonse is that, better management of Luongo and we may well have been champions.

FOr a coach who believes you come to teh NHL ready to fill a role after learning your trade in teh minors, he sure has had his opportunity to learn his trade in the NHL at the expense of this very talented team.

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 02:22 PM

Quick did not make a large quantity of saves, but the quality was astounding.
Saying the Kings would have won with their back-up supposes their back-up could have got them to the finals in the first place. I think you would have the entire LA Kings roster disagree with you on that, including their back-up.


Against the Devils Quick didnt need to make many saves and made very few unreal saves just because he didnt have to. The Devils did not test Quick at all. This series was a breeze for the Kings
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Posted 14 June 2012 - 02:24 PM

Dream on cmpunk !! Wish uopon a star, but it ain;t going to happen here !! Lou is nowhere as good as Schneider is now !! Lou himself, has said that Schneider will be a star in this league for years to come, the team went with Schneids after Lou faltered against LA. What part of this don;t you get? Wake up man...the writings on the walll !!


Its funny because you think Schnieder being our guy next year is a for sure cup. You are probably getting ready for a parade. Schineder as good as he was vs the Kings we still lost 2 and won 1 with Schnieder. Enough said.
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Posted 14 June 2012 - 02:27 PM

I'll agree with everything except for the core, the core needs to stay, the D we have to many D that want to jump in the rush time and time again, we need another stay at home D like a Mitchell. The Sedins need a big power forward who can score and not be pushed around. Oh and a new coach and this team is a Stanley Cup team, I'm tired of AV's mistakes year after year, and tired of people making excuses for this guy about his mistakes and that well he will learn from his mistakes, your a freaking NHL coach this isn't the minors to learn.


I was being sarcastic, but I think the main thing moving forward is a new coach. Just like Luongo (as some people think) the players showed last year that they are done playing for AV. But once Luongo is gone there will be a lot of pressure on the Sedin twins, they have won gold medal and won the heart art ross etc etc. But when the light is the brightest they seems to go "soft" or they don't produce.

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 02:32 PM

Pretty much what I've been saying all along, but in less detail. Luongo > Schneider, if you want to argue me about it than go ahead but I'm not going to listen to idiots who think he lost us the Cup and think he's a "choke artist" like the article points out.

Vancouver losing Luongo would be the worst move this franchise makes after everything he has done for us, but also what he is on the cusp of doing for this city.

Agree with you on this one DownUndaCanuck. +1

Not sure if we are on the cusp of getting that cup but I do believe Luongo has elevated this franchise to previously unknown heights and deservesa lot more respect than he gets from a largely idiotic fanbase.
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Posted 14 June 2012 - 02:34 PM

Totally agree. Luongo has been a phenomenal goaltender for Vancouver and I hate the fickle fans who quickly turn on him. Just a few years ago fans were saying he should have his number retired here and all of a sudden people are buying him his ticket out. What a joke. I will always be a Luongo fan.
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Posted 14 June 2012 - 02:36 PM

I'm 99% certain that the people who still want Luongo around are the people who purchased Luongo jersey's and want to keep them relevant. I don't see how anyone would not want a fresh start in net with a young, stud goalie that's been coming up through our system.


so are people that still wear Linden, Naslund, Bure etc. jerseys to games doing that too...?

what a stupid comment

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 02:53 PM

Well let me ask you this: would you rather have great goalies like Ron Hextall or Curtis Joseph in net for you, or Chris Osgood?

My point is obvious... stats on paper do not matter, clutch playoff performances do ie. Quick, Thomas, Ward, Brodeur, Roy etc. I think it is time for some Canuck fans to take their blinders off (along with their "I'm a true Canuck fan because I stick behind Roberto!") and realize that he is not a clutch performer, hasn't been since he ever stepped foot in a big game crease, and possibly never will be. Schneider is simply a younger, faster, more athletic and level headed goalie. It is time for Nuck Nation to move on from the roller coaster that is Roberto Luongo... unfortunately might I add.


Good post. I was just thinking the same thing when I read this thread, how the Luongo supporters need to take their blinders off. Its no secret that Luongo is inconsistent and that this erratic play shows up too often in the play-offs. Luongo has yet to prove he can not only elevate his level of play in the play-offs, but keep that elevated play sustained throughout the play-offs. Not have one shutout here and let in 7 goals the next game and think the shutout he's had cancels out all the meltdowns where he lets in a bunch of goals in few shots. Sustained elevated play, and not bowing to pressure when the stakes get higher and higher - that's what you need from a goalie in the play-offs.

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 02:56 PM

I'm actually fine with either Luongo or Schneider in net. As I think they are both #1 goalies.

However, I would trade Schneider as I think he will yield a better return and would have more suitors (ie. teams) because he's younger and doesn't have a massive contract. The returns hopefully will fill in some of the missing pieces (ie. top 6F, top 4D) of the team for another Stanley Cup Run.

Have Luongo as the clear #1 netminder and bring in Lack as the back-up (to learn under Luongo like Schneider did). Hopefully Lack follows Schneider's development (maybe play more games) and we'll have another Goaltender controversy in 3-4yrs after winning a cup during that time.



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Posted 14 June 2012 - 02:57 PM

Totally agree. Luongo has been a phenomenal goaltender for Vancouver and I hate the fickle fans who quickly turn on him. Just a few years ago fans were saying he should have his number retired here and all of a sudden people are buying him his ticket out. What a joke. I will always be a Luongo fan.


Again with the blinders hahaha!!! I know you are out there Nuck fans that can see the miss-analyzation behind fans like this one!!! Please stand up and prove I am not the only one that actually watches the games and dissects the play without bias....

It's not like this is Lou's first year with the team. CHICAGO!!! BOSTON!!! REPEAT!!! He has had his chances... numerous at that... time to move on and accept that he is not "The Chosen One" for this organization.

I often wonder what Lou apologists would be saying had Burrows not bailed him out in game seven against the Hawks last year?

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 03:00 PM

Again with the blinders hahaha!!! I know you are out there Nuck fans that can see the miss-analyzation behind fans like this one!!! Please stand up and prove I am not the only one that actually watches the games and dissects the play without bias....

It's not like this is Lou's first year with the team. CHICAGO!!! BOSTON!!! REPEAT!!! He has had his chances... numerous at that... time to move on and accept that he is not "The Chosen One" for this organization.

I often wonder what Lou apologists would be saying had Burrows not bailed him out in game seven against the Hawks last year?


yeah cause Luongo was SO bad in that game letting in 1 goal on 32 shots right? he clearly needed to be bailed out by Burrows due to how bad he was playing lol.....wow dude.

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 03:08 PM

so are people that still wear Linden, Naslund, Bure etc. jerseys to games doing that too...?

what a stupid comment


Linden: All class, gave 100% every game and is Mr. Clutch, will probably never see another Canuck as clutch, ok maybe Burr
Naslund: Was not clutch like Linden but was Mr. Class and never thru his team under the bus... EVER!! Not to mention his statistics.
Bure: well, most exciting player to ever wear a Canuck jersey, gave this team another dimension to its historical identity. Helped take us to game 7 in the SCF

Lou: throws his team under the bus, never admits he craps the bed over and over, and is faaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrr from being clutch or exciting. If you think he makes exciting saves it is because he is out of position and it is the first save before the rebound goes in. The only thing Lou has going for him is his statistics as a Canuck, but the list of Canuck goalies is not very deep in its history and Lou has been playing behind the most complete Canuck team in its history so...

Your comment is the stupid one so there!!! :bigblush:

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 03:10 PM

I trust MG to make the right decision, and I think either way we're sitting pretty.


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