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#31 ABurrows14

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 09:44 AM

I thought so too but:

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It is possible to do

Now, there are some missing pieces, 21 man roster, and it would sink us in the draft forever, my point is simply on a piece of paper, from simply a numbers perspective, it could be done.


Corey Perry is not a Center, this isn't NHL 12

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 09:48 AM

Corey Perry is not a Center, this isn't NHL 12


Never said he was. SIMPLY posted the OP's lineup according to salary.
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 09:55 AM

Raymond for Kane
Higgins for Backes and Johnson
Edler for Weber and a 1st
Hansen for Perry

OP is right, this is the best plan to move forward.


Except Johnson is in Colorado B)

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 10:01 AM

Bad troll is troll.


you're doing it wrong X Y is X, not X Y is Y...

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 10:26 AM

Corey Perry is not a Center, this isn't NHL 12


Apologies Perry was below Pelley who is a centre and I misread it ..............I suppose Getzlaf would be favourite. Not quite as ballsy but bigger and no sap

I don't have NHL 12 or a Playstation or an xbox sorry..........only a laptop and a schnauzer :-)

Edited by Bodee, 26 June 2012 - 10:28 AM.

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 10:28 AM

you're doing it wrong X Y is X, not X Y is Y...


Correct poster is correct.

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 10:37 AM

I'm just gonna ignore Kane-Perry-Backes because it's impossible to make happen and go straight to the second proposal.

I can't see how Clowe-Stewart-Arnott is an upgrade on what we have now. They are big, but thir offense is limited. Clowe is really the only player I would be willing to have on the second line, other than him this line would be better suited to the 3rd line role. And I would still take Higgins and Hansen any day over Arnott and Stewart.

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 11:15 AM

I think we need to make an upgrade in quality to lift a Cup.

As I have said often we have a fine set of players but I think we lack variation. I would like to see us trade away Higgins, Hansen, Malhotra and Booth and create a BIG rugged 2nd line of bruisers and snipers.

The team would then be along the lines of

Sedin - Sedin - Kassian

Kane(Clowe) - Perry(Arnott) - Backes(Stewart)

Raymond - Kesler - Burrows

Why not add Crosby while you're at it for the first line and put the Sedins on the second. Is this Fantasy Hockey or something you actually think is possible?

Volpatti - Lapierre - Pinizzotto


I would then trade Edler for a big defensive reasonably priced body like Weber if maybe not actually Weber (considering cap)

Ballard - Weber..................Hamhuis - Bieksa
Hamhuis - Bieksa...............Ballard - Erik Johnson
Sbisa - Tanev.....................Sbisa - Tanev

Part of our problem as I see it is we have relied on (augmented by the Sedins) defensive scoring, PP and outstanding net-minding to get us to where we are but I don't think that set up (in the way we utilise it, with average body size) will take us through a war of attrition.

It might sound radical, but I want to make our defence help out the goalie and our attack waste the opposition 5 on 5 with a mixture of skill, speed and big hitting. That line up has it all depending on how well Kassian improves and Raymond comes out of pre season.

I see a team along these lines getting multiple cups. The 2nd line for me was the most disappointing in the team.........some of that can be put down to injury but in my view they were not big enough and did not play a cohesive, joined up game. Frankly I doubt it will improve with the personnel concerned. That said I have more faith in Kesler's big time ability than Booth's

Now, how do we do it? Can we do it for less?



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Posted 26 June 2012 - 11:17 AM

Why not put Crosby on the first line while you're at it and move the Sedins to the second?

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 12:23 PM

Try to acquire these players on Xbox... see how hard it will be

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 12:47 PM

I do not want to see Kassian on the top line


Never?

What if he played well enough on it?

I was saying Lu-Urns...

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 12:54 PM

2nd line. Do we really need one??
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 12:56 PM

No, we need someone who can play with Booth & Kesler, preferably a playmaker. Hoping Kesler comes back when he's 100% I'm pretty sure our 2nd line is fine.

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 01:02 PM

I think we need to make an upgrade in quality to lift a Cup.

As I have said often we have a fine set of players but I think we lack variation. I would like to see us trade away Higgins, Hansen, Malhotra and Booth and create a BIG rugged 2nd line of bruisers and snipers.

The team would then be along the lines of

Sedin - Sedin - Kassian

Kane(Clowe) - Perry(Arnott) - Backes(Stewart)

Raymond - Kesler - Burrows

Volpatti - Lapierre - Pinizzotto


I would then trade Edler for a big defensive reasonably priced body like Weber if maybe not actually Weber (considering cap)

Ballard - Weber..................Hamhuis - Bieksa
Hamhuis - Bieksa...............Ballard - Erik Johnson
Sbisa - Tanev.....................Sbisa - Tanev

Part of our problem as I see it is we have relied on (augmented by the Sedins) defensive scoring, PP and outstanding net-minding to get us to where we are but I don't think that set up (in the way we utilise it, with average body size) will take us through a war of attrition.

It might sound radical, but I want to make our defence help out the goalie and our attack waste the opposition 5 on 5 with a mixture of skill, speed and big hitting. That line up has it all depending on how well Kassian improves and Raymond comes out of pre season.

I see a team along these lines getting multiple cups. The 2nd line for me was the most disappointing in the team.........some of that can be put down to injury but in my view they were not big enough and did not play a cohesive, joined up game. Frankly I doubt it will improve with the personnel concerned. That said I have more faith in Kesler's big time ability than Booth's

Now, how do we do it? Can we do it for less?


Your 2nd line should be your 1st line
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 02:02 PM

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the concept of getting several of Kane, Backes, Clowe, Perry or Stewart (whatever combo) for those players deemed on here to be expendable deserves to be rolled away and discarded exactly as the Oompa Loompa's threw out that blueberry girl.

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 02:04 PM

Well yes, if it were possible, it would be very nice. Thank you.


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Posted 26 June 2012 - 02:50 PM

Ok one more time just for you............CAN WE DO IT FOR LESS?................do you see it tucked down at the bottom of the post?

Maybe if you didn't understand the point of the post and the theory behind it you should just have moved on and left this thread to people who have some ideas to put forward.



Ok, just for you i re-read the post. Twice.

Once again i find myself wondering how you remotely considered this plausible.

No we cannot do it for less. We cannot do it for more.
The players you mentioned would be, for all intents and purposes, IMPOSSIBLE to acquire.
The cap hit would also be over the limit (the other poster failed to take into account the fact the many of the players are on the tail end of contracts therefore the values are not accurate)
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 04:45 PM

our problem is that Kesler doesnt produce with his line, so thats why were thinking in putting it down to the 3rd. IMO Manny malhotra is garbage, if i was gillis i would dump him. we need to find a GOOD right winger for kesler like : Voracek, maybe even Versteeg, .
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 11:45 PM

I think we could, if the players were available realistically accommodate this. It is weakening my theory with Burr in the 2nd but by my thinking this would be Kesler and Raymonds's make or break season. And if they don't make it perhaps Gaunce, Jensen and Mallet might be ready.

There is size energy and, if Kesler comes back firing, plenty of points in the 2nd line. The first line should really fire up with a big battling sniper like Perry feeding of the silky Sedins.

I also like the 3rd line if Raymond get's back to some decent form. His speed, Kassians size in front of the net and Lapierre's abrasive trouble making, it would mean that the opposition could not ignore it. ...............It's a thought.

Sedin - Sedin - Perry
Clowe - Kesler - Burrows
Raymond - Lapierre - Kassian
Volpatti - Schroeder - Pinizzotto


Hamhuis - Bieksa
Ballard - Johnson
Sbisa - Tanev

projected if Raymond and Kes don't come back and the prospects shape up. (3 french speakers on the 3rd, ooh la, la!)

Sedin - Sedin - Perry
Clowe - Gaunce - Jensen
Mallet - Lapierre - Burrows
Volpatti - Schroeder - Kassian

I realise that this line up is a long shot and some may think optimistic but it has the size and quality we need.
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Posted 27 June 2012 - 12:36 AM

I think we could, if the players were available realistically accommodate this. It is weakening my theory with Burr in the 2nd but by my thinking this would be Kesler and Raymonds's make or break season. And if they don't make it perhaps Gaunce, Jensen and Mallet might be ready.

There is size energy and, if Kesler comes back firing, plenty of points in the 2nd line. The first line should really fire up with a big battling sniper like Perry feeding of the silky Sedins.

I also like the 3rd line if Raymond get's back to some decent form. His speed, Kassians size in front of the net and Lapierre's abrasive trouble making, it would mean that the opposition could not ignore it. ...............It's a thought.

Sedin - Sedin - Perry
Clowe - Kesler - Burrows
Raymond - Lapierre - Kassian
Volpatti - Schroeder - Pinizzotto


Hamhuis - Bieksa
Ballard - Johnson
Sbisa - Tanev

projected if Raymond and Kes don't come back and the prospects shape up. (3 french speakers on the 3rd, ooh la, la!)

Sedin - Sedin - Perry
Clowe - Gaunce - Jensen
Mallet - Lapierre - Burrows
Volpatti - Schroeder - Kassian

I realise that this line up is a long shot and some may think optimistic but it has the size and quality we need.


Wow. Although I'd love to have Clowe and Stewart as you posted earlier, I'm not too sure if you know how this works. You see, in order to get these players that you want, you have to give up something to get them. So, just what do you expect to give up to get Clowe and Perry and Johnson, or as you posted earlier Clowe, Stewart, Perry, Kane, Backes and whoever else you magically dreamed up?

Also, the last forward group you had posted was

Sedin - Sedin - Perry
Clowe - Gaunce - Jensen
Mallet - Lapierre - Burrows
Volpatti - Schroeder - Kassian

So, you have 4 rookies in this lineup, 2 of which were from this years draft and you have 2 other guys in Kassian and Volpatti who have played less than 50 games each in the NHL. Doing the math, that's EXACTLY half of your forward lines who have combined for less than 80 games of NHL experience - TOTAL . HOW exactly do you expect to win with that? And Gaunce as your second line centre? He is much less heralded and talented than Hodgson was, so how exactly do you expect him to play as your second line centre at 18 years old on this team? Not to mention that Mallet was expected to go in the later rounds and is quite likely lucky if he'll be able to even crack the Wolves roster nevermind the Canucks.

One thing I will agree with is that the Canucks need to get bigger and tougher(like the 94 team who could play the game any way you wanted too and who would probably walk all over this version of the team) and I've been saying that forever and I'd love to get Clowe, Stewart and Weber. But at some point common sense has to rule. Realistically how do you plan on getting 3 different teams in our own conference to trade us their better players?

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 12:51 AM

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 07:19 PM

Clowe, Arnott, and Stewart would be a slow line.

....A slow cohesive line would still be better than a faster unproductive Kesler line.imo




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