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#31 Bodee

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 07:48 AM

Please just stop.

I mean say whatever you have to say...complain about whatever you have to complain about but holy christ on a cross all this "fail" crap and premature responses in the OP because you know what you have to say is not well thought out and in general just comes off as pissing and moaning make you come off like a 9 year old.

This is a piss and moan thread and that's fine...kind of...Don't then turn it into a piss and moan thread from a seemingly petulant child.

Also....free agency is 5 days old. Players want to play other places. Lots of time left to make trades and there are still plenty of free agents left out there to sign. That's the problem with threads like this....they never come at the appropriate time. You prematurely evacuated this thread out of your brain.

How does this work now....uh...if you disagree with me go do one STFU and I don't give a flying ****. (See how stupid that seems?)


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Posted 05 July 2012 - 07:50 AM

Do our scouts have a clue.
Am I the only one seeing a pattern here? We rid ourselves of perfectly good players and sign "roll of the dice futures"..........if we are lucky. Sammy says hi from Detroit!

Is MG getting fed magic mushrooms by his scouts. When are we going to pick up some guys who we can look at and say "Ye he'll take us that extra step?"

To be honest as I said on my other thread I did expect some of these additions after Boston but here we are still waiting while other teams keep going for proven and capable players.

I know some happy clappers on here will condemn me and say it is early and they are right...........if it was only now we were talking about .............but this farce has gone on too long.

I want to be excited, inspired, dazed, by our signings not have to listen to MG spouting about a guys character and what he will do for us (hopefully) 3 years down the line.

We will also get the usual suspects now saying.............we should not pay over the odds, or we should realise that there are 29 other clubs after that player, or not everyone wants to come here (should that read "no one?") why not? Are we that bad?

Something is not right. I'm frankly not interested if the guy sings in the choir or helps old ladies across the road. I'm not concerned about our "hometown discount" I want to see this team get the 3 or 4 missing pieces, able to play to-day and not 3 years down the line while Daniel and Henrik don't need zimmers to get onto the ice.

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I think we should tank like edmonton and pitsburgh did just to get the #1 pick...3 and 4 year s in a row...seriously doesnt do us much good trying to be heroes..

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 07:58 AM

Fail


You're not doing yourself any favours.

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 08:01 AM

Bodee,

I think I get what you are getting at. It is frustrating when your team comes so close to the ultimate prize but barely misses it. And then in the next couple years you want to see the appropriate adjustments made to push the team over the hump. I get this and I feel the same, however....

You should listen to what some of the other posters have said other than just shooting down every comment that doesn't agree with your post (sounds dictator like, haha). We have a very solid team and are ranked top five to win the cup according to vegas as per Sportsnet this morning. It isn't time to start panicking yet. I would say your post would be more valid if we were in Calgary's position. Now that is a team that has had horrible scouting and years of minor tweaking to improve their mediocre team.

I think it made sense for Min to pick up Parise and Suter. They had the cap space and really need a boost to get them out of that 'Calgary Mediocrity'.

With that being said I think it makes sense for us to be doing the 'Garrison' and 'Booth' type player tweaks. We have our core, now we just need a couple of pieces.

With that being said, I think you are right in that if MG doesn't address a couple issues I myself will be frustrated. I think he addressed defence, and now we really need a third line centre and possibly a 25 goal/play maker second line winger. We have some cap space and Luongo to get those pieces. Lets be patient, MG is doing a pretty good job. I am pretty happy with our team.
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Posted 05 July 2012 - 08:03 AM

Bodee,

I think I get what you are getting at. It is frustrating when your team comes so close to the ultimate prize but barely misses it. And then in the next couple years you want to see the appropriate adjustments made to push the team over the hump. I get this and I feel the same, however....

You should listen to what some of the other posters have said other than just shooting down every comment that doesn't agree with your post (sounds dictator like, haha). We have a very solid team and are ranked top five to win the cup according to vegas as per Sportsnet this morning. It isn't time to start panicking yet. I would say your post would be more valid if we were in Calgary's position. Now that is a team that has had horrible scouting and years of minor tweaking to improve their mediocre team.

I think it made sense for Min to pick up Parise and Suter. They had the cap space and really need a boost to get them out of that 'Calgary Mediocrity'.

With that being said I think it makes sense for us to be doing the 'Garrison' and 'Booth' type player tweaks. We have our core, now we just need a couple of pieces.

With that being said, I think you are right in that if MG doesn't address a couple issues I myself will be frustrated. I think he addressed defence, and now we really need a third line centre and possibly a 25 goal/play maker second line winger. We have some cap space and Luongo to get those pieces. Lets be patient, MG is doing a pretty good job. I am pretty happy with our team.


I got this one for you.....FAIL!!!
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Posted 05 July 2012 - 08:04 AM

Fail.......


Yes...you certainly have.

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 08:05 AM

Maybe this an outside the box stretch but; I wonder if the fact that recently our star player, Daniel and a longtime dman, Salo, were victims of cheap shots and there was no response.

Not trying to start a "do we need a goon" thread because we don't but considering our top players are a focus for physicality and the culture has become to retaliate via the "power play" cough, cough. Some players would rather sign with teams they feel more physically supported.


That's a good point and it came up on the other thread when we were discussing Versteeg (I think) I said I would certainly think twice (in his position) about coming here being on the small side.

The problem is while we knew we had a problem we tried to solve it firstly in the 4th line (which is never really effective) and then by trying Bitz and Kass up with the Sedins. So the problem is recognised, we just don't seem to tackle it like an elite team we seam to want to do it on the cheap.

Doan was mentioned and while I am not enamoured of some of his antics he is 2 or 3 levels above Bitz and is an awesome competitor with plenty of attitude and push back to go with the skill.

I'm not opposed to trying to go with a younger player if he is proven but I am of the opinion we are far to good a team with far too much to offer to need to pick up cast offs or lucky dips.

It also comes down to what MG gave the scouts to go on. Did he tell them to look for someone who would drop them for a team mate and clear out bodies trying to molest Lu / Schneider or did he say we need another Ehrhoff. I would be interested in finding out.

Similarly was Kassian acquired to go right into the team and play10+ mins on the 2nd /3rd line? Was Gragnani an Ehrhoff replacement also or was he supposed to supply push back...........either way he was a fail. We actually needed someone who we could depend on now.

Lastly we have Booth. Now I would have assumed that Booth was brought in to "play with" Kes and Raymond...........Well then did MG's scouts even take into consideration the guy doesn't like to pass? Surely for anyone playing with Kes you would want the opposite.............again it doesn't make sense.

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 08:10 AM

Yes...you certainly have.


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Posted 05 July 2012 - 08:11 AM

I got this one for you.....FAIL!!!


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Posted 05 July 2012 - 08:11 AM

Not that you've provided any evidence to what Gillis hasn't taken advantage of in your OP for specific players apart from Samuelsson, but I don't know if there are many deals I would have done this summer for the prices they took.

Samuelsson with an NTC for two years and a $3M AAV? No.
Salo with an even bigger contract in Tampa? No.
Parise/Suter/Staal/etc? No way.

There are some smaller deals that weren't too bad but that doesn't mean Vancouver was ever in the running for that player. Sometimes deals go down just because it's specific teams. I would have liked to see a goalie moved at the draft for a decent return, but who knows exactly what Gillis was offered/asking for? Schultz would have been a bonus, but we were one of the final teams in consideration, so what'll you do?

There are so many variables and teams all bidding on the same pieces, it's hard to make all the perfect moves to please everyone, and it's apparent he hasn't pleased you.

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 08:12 AM

Do our scouts have a clue.
Am I the only one seeing a pattern here? We rid ourselves of perfectly good players and sign "roll of the dice futures"..........if we are lucky. Sammy says hi from Detroit!

Is MG getting fed magic mushrooms by his scouts. When are we going to pick up some guys who we can look at and say "Ye he'll take us that extra step?"

To be honest as I said on my other thread I did expect some of these additions after Boston but here we are still waiting while other teams keep going for proven and capable players.

I know some happy clappers on here will condemn me and say it is early and they are right...........if it was only now we were talking about .............but this farce has gone on too long.

I want to be excited, inspired, dazed, by our signings not have to listen to MG spouting about a guys character and what he will do for us (hopefully) 3 years down the line.

We will also get the usual suspects now saying.............we should not pay over the odds, or we should realise that there are 29 other clubs after that player, or not everyone wants to come here (should that read "no one?") why not? Are we that bad?

Something is not right. I'm frankly not interested if the guy sings in the choir or helps old ladies across the road. I'm not concerned about our "hometown discount" I want to see this team get the 3 or 4 missing pieces, able to play to-day and not 3 years down the line while Daniel and Henrik don't need zimmers to get onto the ice.

Now a note from our sponsors.

If you only want to come on this thread to flame me .............heres the only reply you will get.......in advance ..........STFU!
If you only want to make a smart ass comment ..............go do one.
If you think I should not be questioning MG and his scouts ..............I couldn't give a flying puck.

Disagree with me all you want but keep it respectful.
Thanks.


You've got all the questions but do you have any legitimate answers?

I'll try my best to keep it respectful...do we draw the line at pompous clown?

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 08:18 AM

Disagree with me all you want but keep it respectful.
Thanks.


Say what?

If you only want to come on this thread to flame me .............heres the only reply you will get.......in advance ..........STFU!
If you only want to make a smart ass comment ..............go do one.

I know some happy clappers on here will condemn me

Is MG getting fed magic mushrooms by his scouts.


I'm forced to assume you're outright trolling.

If you don't respect other posters here, you can't expect respect back.




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