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#1 shawn antoski

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 02:10 PM

I want Gillis to trade Ballard
- we already have 4 above average dmen that are better then him
- cap hit is too much for a bottom 6 pairing
- He failed at his chance to prove himself as a top 4 on the canucks
- coaching staff does not trust him
- 4.2 million can be spent better elsewhere

What teams are in need of a puck moving Top 4 Dman and have lots of cap space???
Carolina
Colorado
Dallas
Detroit
Deadmonton
Nashville(if webber goes)



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Ballard traded for........

Carolina- (F) Anthony Stewart + (F)Patrick Dwyer

Colorado -(D) Ryan OBryan + Draft pick

Dallas-(F) Eric Nystrom Or (F) Vernon Fiddler

Detroit -( F) Darren Helm

Edmonton- (D) Theo Peckham + (F)Anton Lander

Nashville-(F) Nick Spaling

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 02:13 PM

You can get any player you want in the land of CDC if you add Raymond and a 1st to Mr. Ballard.
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Posted 22 July 2012 - 02:15 PM

If we do trade him, I hope it be for the sole purpose of a cap-dump.
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Posted 22 July 2012 - 02:17 PM

http://forum.canucks...-keith-ballard/

And not sure how some of those trades help us.

I would rather just keep Ballard I think he brings alot, I think he will have a good year.

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 02:17 PM

You can get any player you want in the land of CDC if you add Raymond and a 1st to Mr. Ballard.

lol
I want to keep Raymond I think he's a good team player and is versatile i just think hes overpaid by about $600 000.
on the other hand I think ballard is getting paid about 2 million to much

Edited by shawn antoski, 22 July 2012 - 02:18 PM.


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Posted 22 July 2012 - 02:29 PM

http://forum.canucks...-keith-ballard/

And not sure how some of those trades help us.

I would rather just keep Ballard I think he brings alot, I think he will have a good year.


that topic before is in canucks talk.... i posted in proposals to see what canucks fan want in terms of a trade not if we should keep him or not.

You think he brings alot???? What has he done in the 2 years hes been here so far
I know what you've lost since he got here....willi mitchell, grabner, and an awesome 1st round pick (howden,or that russian kid we could of had)

and the trades I proposed all help with are team needs either its a 3rd line center or checking gritty players

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 02:34 PM

that topic before is in canucks talk.... i posted in proposals to see what canucks fan want in terms of a trade not if we should keep him or not.

You think he brings alot???? What has he done in the 2 years hes been here so far
I know what you've lost since he got here....willi mitchell, grabner, and an awesome 1st round pick (howden,or that russian kid we could of had)

and the trades I proposed all help with are team needs either its a 3rd line center or checking gritty players


Here's my opinion of him as I wrote it in the other thread.

In my opinion he brings alot:

Pros:
- Great Skater; the best on our Blueline
- Good shot blocker; lead the league in Shots Blocked in 09-10
- Good Hockey sense/IQ; He can make good plays, and knows when to jump into the rush or get more involved in the play
- Passing; Good passer
- Checking; He has the big hip check of course but I think he is also a good hitter normally aswell, even though he is a bit undersized.
- Toughness/Grit; He isn't Kevin Bieksa but he is gritty, not afraid to drop the gloves and stand up for teammates, he's also very durable.
- Defensive game; I think he is very good in one on one situations, I didnt see him get beat one on one in the playoffs and he really was solid defensively.
- The Tanev Pairing; Him and Chris have formed a good pair, which not only helps Ballard but also help Tanev with his maturation and development.

Cons:
- Inconsistency; He has struggled at times and been great at times, I'm still confident he can find consistency
- Offensive ability; I think it is better than he has shown here, but during his time here he hasn't show that offensive ability I think he has.
- Descision making/risk taking; He does sometimes take risks he doesnt need too, or makes bad descisions, but so does Bieksa, and that was an area Ballard improved in this year so I think he can fix it up



There may be more I haven't got to but this is how I think he is, I'm still confident he can play the way he did and in the Playoffs and if so him and Tanev will make a very good, Reliable 3rd pair.


We weren't going to Re-sign Mitchell anyways, and I think Ballard is better, he has just had a tough time, he was our best defensemen in the playoffs, and I think that will continue.

His season was fine, he played top 4 throughout the year and had a better year.

Yes we lost Grabner, which I wasn't happy about, but whatever that stuff happens, I'm happy that we have Ballard and I'm excited to see what he can do.

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 02:45 PM

Here's my opinion of him as I wrote it in the other thread.



We weren't going to Re-sign Mitchell anyways, and I think Ballard is better, he has just had a tough time, he was our best defensemen in the playoffs, and I think that will continue.

His season was fine, he played top 4 throughout the year and had a better year.

Yes we lost Grabner, which I wasn't happy about, but whatever that stuff happens, I'm happy that we have Ballard and I'm excited to see what he can do.


:picard: u think ballard is better then willi :sadno:

yea I noticed you forgot to mention that he makes $4.2 million dollars a season
Ballard isnt that bad of a Dman , hes just overpaid and a cancer to the cap

forget about how good he is and what he might be able to do... NHL is a Business... and Ballard is bad for Business, he hurts the canucks cap....especially if the new CBA brings the cap down

Edited by shawn antoski, 22 July 2012 - 02:50 PM.


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Posted 22 July 2012 - 02:52 PM

yea I noticed you forgot to mention that he makes $4.2 million dollars a season
Ballard isnt that bad of a Dman , hes just overpaid and a cancer to the cap

forget about how good he is and what he might be able to do... NHL is a Business... and Ballard is bad for Business, he hurts the canucks cap....especially if the new CBA brings the cap down


And what exactly are we going to spend this cap money on?

There's really nowhere else to spend it so whats the point of clearing the cap room?

He probably makes us better than any other return, so keep him.

Money doesn't make a difference once you hit the ice, and if Ballard helps (which he does), we can keep him under the cap and give our team the best chance to win (which we can). Then there is no reason to move him.

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 03:06 PM

Helm is a fan favourite, he will not be traded any time soon.
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Posted 22 July 2012 - 03:07 PM

heres what is probs gonna happen....teams are gonna get desperate (teams like det, dal, nyi, nsh, or wpg) then they will call gillis about ballard and mg is gonna sense the desperation and ask for a prospect and a 2nd pick. teams will laugh and hang up then we are back to square one when gillis should just do him solid and deal him out of town and create some cap space for himself

det, nsh, or nyi are likely destinations for ballard

if nsh lets weber walk then they are gonna be scrambling for nhl defensemen and they will be forced to trade for players like bouwmeester, ballard, komisarek, kaberle or hainsey....you could also throw det into that category as well
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Posted 22 July 2012 - 03:10 PM

And what exactly are we going to spend this cap money on?

There's really nowhere else to spend it so whats the point of clearing the cap room?

He probably makes us better than any other return, so keep him.

Money doesn't make a difference once you hit the ice, and if Ballard helps (which he does), we can keep him under the cap and give our team the best chance to win (which we can). Then there is no reason to move him.


cap space as of today with ballard
FORWARDS
Daniel Sedin ($6.100m) / Henrik Sedin ($6.100m) / Alexandre Burrows ($2.000m)
Mason Raymond ($2.275m) / Ryan Kesler ($5.000m) / David Booth ($4.250m)
Chris Higgins ($1.900m) / Maxim Lapierre ($1.000m) / Jannik Hansen ($1.350m)
Manny Malhotra ($2.500m) / Jordan Schroeder ($1.025m) / Zack Kassian ($0.870m)
Aaron Volpatti ($0.600m) / Andrew Ebbett ($0.600m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Jason Garrison ($4.600m) / Alexander Edler ($3.250m)
Dan Hamhuis ($4.500m) / Kevin Bieksa ($4.600m)
Chris Tanev ($0.900m) / Keith Ballard ($4.200m)
Andrew Alberts ($1.225m) /
GOALTENDERS
Roberto Luongo ($5.333m)
Cory Schneider ($4.000m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $69,203,333; BONUSES: $250,000
CAP SPACE (24-man roster): $996,667



Cap space without ballard
CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Daniel Sedin ($6.100m) / Henrik Sedin ($6.100m) / Alexandre Burrows ($2.000m)
Mason Raymond ($2.275m) / Ryan Kesler ($5.000m) / David Booth ($4.250m)
Chris Higgins ($1.900m) / Maxim Lapierre ($1.000m) / Jannik Hansen ($1.350m)
Manny Malhotra ($2.500m) / Jordan Schroeder ($1.025m) / Zack Kassian ($0.870m)
Aaron Volpatti ($0.600m) / Andrew Ebbett ($0.600m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Jason Garrison ($4.600m) / Alexander Edler ($3.250m)
Dan Hamhuis ($4.500m) / Kevin Bieksa ($4.600m)
Chris Tanev ($0.900m) / Andrew Alberts ($1.225m)
GOALTENDERS
Roberto Luongo ($5.333m)
Cory Schneider ($4.000m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $65,003,333; BONUSES: $250,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $5,196,667

I dont think you know much about business.You need to get a return on your investment, and ballard has not been able to produce, its time to cut your loses. It's good to have some cap space and flexability. You never know what players can become available(carter,richards,nash)

and 5 million dollars is alot of money.... lol u can sign 3 Dman for the price of 1 that are pretty much on Ballards level

Chris Campoli + Scott Hannan+ Kurtis Foster combined made about the same as ballard last season
- and they all had more points per game then him

Edited by shawn antoski, 22 July 2012 - 03:18 PM.


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Posted 22 July 2012 - 03:17 PM

You can get any player you want in the land of CDC if you add Raymond and a 1st to Mr. Ballard.


I lol'd.

That is the prevailing idea around here. Everyone seems to think we can dump our spare parts and get something good, lol.

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 03:25 PM

heres what is probs gonna happen....teams are gonna get desperate (teams like det, dal, nyi, nsh, or wpg) then they will call gillis about ballard and mg is gonna sense the desperation and ask for a prospect and a 2nd pick. teams will laugh and hang up then we are back to square one when gillis should just do him solid and deal him out of town and create some cap space for himself

det, nsh, or nyi are likely destinations for ballard

if nsh lets weber walk then they are gonna be scrambling for nhl defensemen and they will be forced to trade for players like bouwmeester, ballard, komisarek, kaberle or hainsey....you could also throw det into that category as well


i agree with most but

i dont think NYI needs ballard there top 4 is not bad

Mark Streit
Travis Hamonic
Andrew MacDonald
Lubomir Visnovsky

and same with Winnipeg(there owner has to spend wisely they are small market)

Dustin Byfuglien
Tobias Enstrom
Zach Bogosian
Ron Hainsey
Mark Stuart

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 03:28 PM

cap space as of today with ballard
FORWARDS
Daniel Sedin ($6.100m) / Henrik Sedin ($6.100m) / Alexandre Burrows ($2.000m)
Mason Raymond ($2.275m) / Ryan Kesler ($5.000m) / David Booth ($4.250m)
Chris Higgins ($1.900m) / Maxim Lapierre ($1.000m) / Jannik Hansen ($1.350m)
Manny Malhotra ($2.500m) / Jordan Schroeder ($1.025m) / Zack Kassian ($0.870m)
Aaron Volpatti ($0.600m) / Andrew Ebbett ($0.600m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Jason Garrison ($4.600m) / Alexander Edler ($3.250m)
Dan Hamhuis ($4.500m) / Kevin Bieksa ($4.600m)
Chris Tanev ($0.900m) / Keith Ballard ($4.200m)
Andrew Alberts ($1.225m) /
GOALTENDERS
Roberto Luongo ($5.333m)
Cory Schneider ($4.000m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $69,203,333; BONUSES: $250,000
CAP SPACE (24-man roster): $996,667



Cap space without ballard
CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Daniel Sedin ($6.100m) / Henrik Sedin ($6.100m) / Alexandre Burrows ($2.000m)
Mason Raymond ($2.275m) / Ryan Kesler ($5.000m) / David Booth ($4.250m)
Chris Higgins ($1.900m) / Maxim Lapierre ($1.000m) / Jannik Hansen ($1.350m)
Manny Malhotra ($2.500m) / Jordan Schroeder ($1.025m) / Zack Kassian ($0.870m)
Aaron Volpatti ($0.600m) / Andrew Ebbett ($0.600m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Jason Garrison ($4.600m) / Alexander Edler ($3.250m)
Dan Hamhuis ($4.500m) / Kevin Bieksa ($4.600m)
Chris Tanev ($0.900m) / Andrew Alberts ($1.225m)
GOALTENDERS
Roberto Luongo ($5.333m)
Cory Schneider ($4.000m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $65,003,333; BONUSES: $250,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $5,196,667

I dont think you know much about business.You need to get a return on your investment, and ballard has not been able to produce, its time to cut your loses. It's good to have some cap space and flexability. You never know what players can become available(carter,richards,nash)

and 5 million dollars is alot of money.... lol u can sign 3 Dman for the price of 1 that are pretty much on Ballards level

Chris Campoli + Scott Hannan+ Kurtis Foster combined made about the same as ballard last season
- and they all had more points per game then him


Schreoder doesn't cap towards the cap.

And I'm not sure if you know this, but there is a 10% increase on the cap in the offseason. So we are fine.

Like I said I'm not sure exactly what we are going to get, there are no chance at getting any of the big name players avaliable, maybe Doan but that's it

If something comes up where we need to clear cap space to make a deal that makes sense and makes us better then we can clear cap space. Personally I would clear Raymond's 2.275 before Ballard's if that would clear the space.


And we also still have Luongo's 5.3 that will probably go at some point, and if we make any other trades there would be cap going the other way aswell.


And I would take Ballard over all those players, PPG isn't everything, and doesn't prove who's better than who. Foster has the big PP shot, and slow foot speed. Campoli is an Offensive defensemen, who's biggest flaw is defensive ability and Hannan is a defensive vet but he is aging.

Ballard's play wasn't reflected in his #'s, they have been poor since he got here but he has spent most of his time on the third pair and or dumba** coach put Rome out on the PP ahead of Ballard. Ballard has been good in other areas.

Trading him now just so we have cap space that we aren't going to use makes no sense. Aswell it creates a hole in our blueline.


If there is something imminent that makes sense or is an upgrade where we need to clear cap space then we can look at it, but there is no reason to make a move otherwise.



Edit: Finally able to fix that, Not sure what happen there


Edited by Smashian Kassian, 22 July 2012 - 03:34 PM.

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 03:33 PM

Schreoder doesn't cap towards the cap.

And I'm not sure if you know this, but there is a 10% increase on the cap in the offseason. So we are fine.

Like I said I'm not sure exactly what we are going to get, there are no chance at getting any of the big name players avaliable, maybe Doan but that's it

If something comes up where we need to clear cap space to make a deal that makes sense and makes us better then we can clear cap space. Personally I would clear Raymond's 2.275 before Ballard's if that would clear the space.


And we also still have Luongo's 5.3 that will probably go at some point, and if we make any other trades there would be cap going the other way aswell.


And I would take Ballard over all those players, PPG isn't everything, and doesn't prove who's better than who. Foster has the big PP shot, and slow foot speed. Campoli is an Offensive defensemen, who's biggest flaw is defensive ability and Hannan is a defensive vet but he is aging.

Ballard's play wasn't reflected in his #'s, they have been poor since he got here but he has spent most of his time on the third pair and or dumba** coach put Rome out on the PP ahead of Ballard. Ballard has been good in other areas.


Trading him now

just so we have cap space that we aren't going to use

makes no sense. A

swell it creates a hole in our blueline.


If there is something imminent that makes sense or is an upgrade where we need to clear cap space then we can look at it, but there is no reason to make a move otherwise.


wow let me get this straight
- you think ballard is better them willi
-and you would rather have 1 dman in ballard rather then having 3 dman in Chris Campoli + Scott Hannan+ Kurtis Foster

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 03:37 PM

wow let me get this straight
- you think ballard is better them willi
-and you would rather have 1 dman in ballard rather then having 3 dman in Chris Campoli + Scott Hannan+ Kurtis Foster

:picard: :sadno: :emot-parrot: :frantic:


I ment Ballard over any one of those players, I thought you would have understood that. :picard:

And ya personally I would rather have Ballard, than Willie, he hasn't preformed the way I think he can but I really like what he can bring.


I think people are expecting way too much from Ballard, he was fine this season, more consistent than alot of our D-man and unlike most of the rest of them he actually showed up and played great when it counted the most.

If he can continue that play with Tanev then I would definetly take him over any of the others.

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 03:39 PM

forgot to mention that Ballard had the 2nd worst Corsi rating among canucks dmen ..... Rome was better then him lol

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 03:42 PM

I ment Ballard over any one of those players, I thought you would have understood that. :picard:

And ya personally I would rather have Ballard, than Willie, he hasn't preformed the way I think he can but I really like what he can bring.


I think people are expecting way too much from Ballard, he was fine this season, more consistent than alot of our D-man and unlike most of the rest of them he actually showed up and played great when it counted the most.

If he can continue that play with Tanev then I would definetly take him over any of the others.


i think canuck fans have 4.2 million reasons to except more from ballard
Ballard had the 2nd worst corsi rating the only dman he was better then was Alberts

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 03:46 PM

i think canuck fans have 4.2 million reasons to except more from ballard
Ballard had the 2nd worst corsi rating the only dman he was better then was Alberts


Yes he makes 4.2, we have already argued about that and you obviously didn't see the point I was making.

But I mean from the begining, people didn't know much about him and expected him just to be amazing, this is the style of game he plays, he has offensive capabilites but he mainly a smooth skating, rugged defensive D-man. He uses his speed to create chances but other than that most of his game is defense.

I'm not surprised that his #'s have been this bad, but I do think with more opportunity they could be better.

Like I said, why move him if we aren't going to use his cap money on anything? It's making our team worse just so we can have cap space that we won't use.

It doesn't make any sense.

Edit: Yes Corsi rating's really prove how good someone is right??

Edited by Smashian Kassian, 22 July 2012 - 03:49 PM.

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 03:55 PM

cap space as of today with ballard
FORWARDS
Daniel Sedin ($6.100m) / Henrik Sedin ($6.100m) / Alexandre Burrows ($2.000m)
Mason Raymond ($2.275m) / Ryan Kesler ($5.000m) / David Booth ($4.250m)
Chris Higgins ($1.900m) / Maxim Lapierre ($1.000m) / Jannik Hansen ($1.350m)
Manny Malhotra ($2.500m) / Jordan Schroeder ($1.025m) / Zack Kassian ($0.870m)
Aaron Volpatti ($0.600m) / Andrew Ebbett ($0.600m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Jason Garrison ($4.600m) / Alexander Edler ($3.250m)
Dan Hamhuis ($4.500m) / Kevin Bieksa ($4.600m)
Chris Tanev ($0.900m) / Keith Ballard ($4.200m)
Andrew Alberts ($1.225m) /
GOALTENDERS
Roberto Luongo ($5.333m)
Cory Schneider ($4.000m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $69,203,333; BONUSES: $250,000
CAP SPACE (24-man roster): $996,667



Cap space without ballard
CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Daniel Sedin ($6.100m) / Henrik Sedin ($6.100m) / Alexandre Burrows ($2.000m)
Mason Raymond ($2.275m) / Ryan Kesler ($5.000m) / David Booth ($4.250m)
Chris Higgins ($1.900m) / Maxim Lapierre ($1.000m) / Jannik Hansen ($1.350m)
Manny Malhotra ($2.500m) / Jordan Schroeder ($1.025m) / Zack Kassian ($0.870m)
Aaron Volpatti ($0.600m) / Andrew Ebbett ($0.600m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Jason Garrison ($4.600m) / Alexander Edler ($3.250m)
Dan Hamhuis ($4.500m) / Kevin Bieksa ($4.600m)
Chris Tanev ($0.900m) / Andrew Alberts ($1.225m)
GOALTENDERS
Roberto Luongo ($5.333m)
Cory Schneider ($4.000m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $65,003,333; BONUSES: $250,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $5,196,667


We have just a little over 3 million in cap space with Ballard. There is no need to trade him just yet. Also with Luongo being traded there will be more cap space available.
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Posted 22 July 2012 - 03:58 PM

Yes he makes 4.2, we have already argued about that and you obviously didn't see the point I was making.

But I mean from the begining, people didn't know much about him and expected him just to be amazing, this is the style of game he plays, he has offensive capabilites but he mainly a smooth skating, rugged defensive D-man. He uses his speed to create chances but other than that most of his game is defense.

I'm not surprised that his #'s have been this bad, but I do think with more opportunity they could be better.

Like I said, why move him if we aren't going to use his cap money on anything? It's making our team worse just so we can have cap space that we won't use.

It doesn't make any sense.

Edit: and if you are basing his play off corsi then you have lots to learn.


here ill try to make it make sense just for you .... lets just say the nashville trade happens Spaling for ballard straight up and we sign the 3 dman i was talking about

heres a 26 man roster for you that still has 600 000 dollars and the luongo trade isnt even done yet

CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Daniel Sedin ($6.100m) / Henrik Sedin ($6.100m) / Alexandre Burrows ($2.000m)
Mason Raymond ($2.275m) / Ryan Kesler ($5.000m) / David Booth ($4.250m)
Chris Higgins ($1.900m) / Maxim Lapierre ($1.000m) / Jannik Hansen ($1.350m)
Zack Kassian ($0.870m) / Nick Spaling ($1.050m) / Manny Malhotra ($2.500m)
Aaron Volpatti ($0.600m) / Andrew Ebbett ($0.600m) / Jordan Schroeder ($1.025m)
DEFENSEMEN
Alexander Edler ($3.250m) / Jason Garrison ($4.600m)
Dan Hamhuis ($4.500m) / Kevin Bieksa ($4.600m)
Kurtis Foster ($1.800m) / Chris Tanev ($0.900m)
Scott Hannan ($1.000m) / Chris Campoli ($1.750m)
Andrew Alberts ($1.225m) /
GOALTENDERS
Roberto Luongo ($5.333m)
Cory Schneider ($4.000m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $69,578,333; BONUSES: $125,000
CAP SPACE (26-man roster): $621,667

Edited by shawn antoski, 22 July 2012 - 04:02 PM.


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Posted 22 July 2012 - 04:03 PM

here ill try to make it make sense just for you .... lets just say the nashville trade happens Spaling for ballard straight up and we sign the 3 dman i was talking about

heres a 26 man roster man roster for you that still has 600 000 dollars and the luongo trade isnt even done yet
CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Daniel Sedin ($6.100m) / Henrik Sedin ($6.100m) / Alexandre Burrows ($2.000m)
Mason Raymond ($2.275m) / Ryan Kesler ($5.000m) / David Booth ($4.250m)
Chris Higgins ($1.900m) / Maxim Lapierre ($1.000m) / Jannik Hansen ($1.350m)
Zack Kassian ($0.870m) / Nick Spaling ($1.050m) / Manny Malhotra ($2.500m)
Aaron Volpatti ($0.600m) / Andrew Ebbett ($0.600m) / Jordan Schroeder ($1.025m)
DEFENSEMEN
Alexander Edler ($3.250m) / Jason Garrison ($4.600m)
Dan Hamhuis ($4.500m) / Kevin Bieksa ($4.600m)
Kurtis Foster ($1.800m) / Chris Tanev ($0.900m)
Scott Hannan ($1.000m) / Chris Campoli ($1.750m)
Andrew Alberts ($1.225m) /
GOALTENDERS
Roberto Luongo ($5.333m)
Cory Schneider ($4.000m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $69,578,333; BONUSES: $125,000
CAP SPACE (26-man roster): $621,667


And I'm sure Campoli and Hannan would both be open to being 7th and 8th defensemen.

They could still be 3rd pairing defensemen on other teams, so they probably wouldn't sign here, maybe we could get one, but we could get one of them with or without Ballard, so I doubt we get all 3.

And in that case I would rather have Ballard than Foster and the few million of cap space it brings.

Why not just trade Raymond? Ballard actually helps us, Raymond doesn't.

Edited by Smashian Kassian, 22 July 2012 - 04:03 PM.

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 04:05 PM

And I'm sure Campoli and Hannan would both be open to being 7th and 8th defensemen.

They could still be 3rd pairing defensemen on other teams, so they probably wouldn't sign here, maybe we could get one, but we could get one of them with or without Ballard, so I doubt we get all 3.

And in that case I would rather have Ballard than Foster and the few million of cap space it brings.

Why not just trade Raymond? Ballard actually helps us, Raymond doesn't.


lol thats all you got left .... at least hes better then Raymond
now you want to make this a trade raymond debate
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Posted 22 July 2012 - 04:11 PM

lol thats all you got left .... at least hes better then Raymond
now you want to make this a trade raymond debate
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Nope.

And I could have said the same thing about you, when you changed it to a Ballard vs 3 defensemen we will never get arguement.

Now like Canucksbiggestfan said:

We have just a little over 3 million in cap space with Ballard. There is no need to trade him just yet. Also with Luongo being traded there will be more cap space available.


That means at the right price we could sign two of those defensemen anyways, (Which is what we would get without Ballard), so there is no reason to move him.

And none of those guys are upgrades, it adds depth but if a top 4 defensemen goes down in an important playoff series Ballard can play there, or that Ballard/Tanev pair can take more minutes. If we don't have Ballard one of those guys (Namely Campoli and Foster) would struggle.

I still don't see what trading him makes any sense right now.

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 04:15 PM

Just keep him until we actually have another piece coming in to replace him or he is needed to be moved for cap reasons.
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Posted 22 July 2012 - 04:35 PM

Keep Ballard! i know he has a bad contract but he is a really solid #5 dman and if one of Edler, Bieksa, Hamhuis, or Garrison gets hurt for an extended period of time he can fill in for them in the top 4.

Plus him and Tanev have good chemistry
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Posted 22 July 2012 - 04:43 PM

IF I was MG and was looking at trading Ballard, then the only player I would trade him for would be Andy Greene from the Devils.
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Posted 22 July 2012 - 04:50 PM

IF I was MG and was looking at trading Ballard, then the only player I would trade him for would be Andy Greene from the Devils.


devils say hell no

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 05:22 PM

devils say hell no


Obviously not a straight across deal, more like

Ballard, 2013 3rd Round Pick for Greene.
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