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Posted 11 August 2012 - 11:56 AM

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Mitt Romney introduced Wisconsin Congressman Paul Ryan as his vice-presidential running mate Tuesday, turning to a deeply conservative, budget-cutting specialist to shore up trust in the party ticket among the small-tax, anti-big government tea party movement.

Ryan is the architect of a deeply conservative and intensely controversial long-term budget plan to cut trillions in federal spending, and his conservative credentials are highly regarded by fellow Republicans who control the House of Representatives.

Romney chose Ryan as a means of mollifying the Republican right wing which has shown only modest enthusiasm for his candidacy, given the former Massachusetts governor’s history, until his presidential campaign, of acting from a moderate political philosophy.

Aboard the retired battleship USS Wisconsin, Romney slipped up while introducing of Ryan.

“Join me in welcoming the next president of the United States, Paul Ryan,” a beaming Romney told the energized crowd in Norfolk, Virginia.

“Every now and then I’m known to make a mistake. I did not make a mistake with this guy,” he said at Ryan’s side, then telling the crowd that the Wisconsin congressman was “going to be the next vice president of the United States.”After he walked off stage, Romney’s wife Ann immediately told him he had made a mistake, prompting him to return to the podium to correct it.

Romney’s flub comes after his gaffe-filled tour of Europe during which he offended the British by questioning their readiness to host the Olympics and the Palestinians by suggesting they were culturally inferior to the Israelis.

Apparently, the president-vice president slip-up is a fairly easy one to make.

During President Barack Obama’s first joint rally with Joe Biden in 2008, Obama told an Illinois crowd, “Let me introduce to you, the next president – the next vice president of the United States of America: Joe Biden.”

The campaign team of John McCain, then the Republican presidential candidate, quickly pounced on the mistake to suggest that Biden, a veteran Delaware senator, might wield the real power in an Obama administration.

Romney also needs to repair his image after a summer filled with political gaffes, especially during a trip abroad, and the incessant drumbeat of negative advertising by President Barack Obama’s campaign apparatus. In combination, those realities have harmed the Republican’s campaign momentum and seen him lose ground to Obama.

Ryan came out swinging early Saturday, blaming Obama for the country’s sluggish economy.

“Regrettably, President Obama has become part of the problem, and Mitt Romney is the solution” to an economy that has yet to make a strong recovery from the worst recession in decades, he said.

Romney exulted in his choice, telling cheering supporters at an outdoor rally that “I did not make a mistake with this guy.”

In the campaign to come, Republicans will present economic solutions “that are bold, specific and achievable,” Romney said. “We offer our commitment to create 12 million new jobs and bring better take home pay to middle class families.”

The ticket-mates made their first joint appearance at a naval museum, in front of the battleship USS Wisconsin, the initial stop of a bus tour that will take them through four battleground states — Virginia, North Carolina, Florida and Ohio — in as many days.

First Romney, then Ryan, a generation younger than his patron, jogged down the ship’s gangplank to the cheers of hundreds and the stirring soundtrack from the movie “Air Force One.”

Having Ryan on the ticket also could help Romney become more competitive in Wisconsin, a state Obama won handily four years ago in the state-by-state race for the presidency, but that could be much tighter this November. Ryan is a seven-term congressman from a district in the southeast of the state.


Democrats also had hoped for the Ryan selection, believing they could boost their fortunes by pinning on Romney what they see as an unpopular budget plan that calls for deep cuts in government spending and a major overhaul of entitlement programs.
“The architect of the radical Republican House budget, Ryan, like Romney, proposed an additional $250,000 tax cut for millionaires, and deep cuts in education,” Jim Messina, the president’s campaign manager, said in a written statement. He added that the Republican ticket’s proposals would place “greater burdens” on the middle class and seniors.
At 42, Ryan is a generation younger than the 65-year-old Romney.
Ryan is chairman of the House Budget Committee, and primary author of conservative tax and spending blueprints that the tea party-infused Republican majority approved over vociferous Democratic opposition in 2011 and again in 2012. The plan failed to gain approval in the Democratic-controlled Senate.
It envisions transforming Medicare — the national health insurance program for Americans age 65 and older — into a program in which future seniors would receive government checks that they could use to purchase health insurance from private companies. Under the current program, the government directly pays doctors, hospitals and other health care providers. Obama contends the plan would end up costing Medicare beneficiaries more than $6,000 a year.
Ryan and other supporters say the change is needed to prevent the program from financial calamity.
Other elements of the budget plan would cut projected spending for Medicaid, the government plan that provides health care for the poor, as well as food stamps, student loans and other social programs that Obama and Democrats have pledged to defend. Food stamps allow the poor to buy food at a discount.
In all, it projected spending cuts of $5.3 trillion over a decade, and cut future projected deficits substantially.
It also envisions a far reaching overhaul of the tax code of the sort Romney has promised.
In turning to Ryan, Romney bypassed other potential running mates without the Wisconsin lawmaker’s following among rank-and-file conservatives, including Ohio Sen. Rob Portman and former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty, who were both viewed as safer picks.
Republican officials said Romney had spoken with both men.
In endorsing Romney before his state’s primary last spring, Ryan said, “I picked who I think is going to be the next president of the United States — I picked Mitt Romney. … The moment is here. The country can be saved. It is not too late to get America back on the right track. … It is not too late to save the American idea.”
In recent days, conservative pundits and some mainstream Republicans have been urging Romney to choose Ryan in large part because of his authorship of the House-backed budget plan.
Ryan, a Roman Catholic, also enjoys support among social conservatives for his staunch opposition to abortion.
Ryan has worked in Washington for much of his adult life, a contrast to Romney, who frequently emphasizes his experience in business.
Ryan worked as an aide in Congress, and also was a speechwriter for U.S. Rep. Jack Kemp, the party’s 1996 vice-presidential candidate who had been one of the driving forces behind across-the-board tax cuts that were at the heart of Ronald Reagan’s winning presidential campaign in 1980.
Ryan is also well-known for his fiendish physical fitness workouts.
Ryan’s selection — as well as Romney’s own nomination — will be ratified by delegates to the Republican National Convention that begins on Aug. 27 in Tampa, Florida.
Obama and Vice-President Joseph Biden will be nominated for a second term at the Democratic convention the following week in Charlotte, North Carolina.




I don't know much about Paul Ryan although I heard his name tossed around a bit. I thought Marco Rubio would get the nomination and I was hoping for Tim Pawlenty.

Edited by blister soul, 11 August 2012 - 11:58 AM.

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Posted 11 August 2012 - 12:04 PM

A fiscal Conservative from Wisconsin whose only claim to fame is he knows how Washington "works" .. an oxymoron if I ever heard one .. his budget proposals would strip even greater levels of the "social safety net" .. the Dems are rubbing their hands with glee .. Mitt the Manikin and a guy who looks like he swallowed his top teeth .. how photogenic .. :towel:

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Posted 11 August 2012 - 12:27 PM

Pretty much what tearloch said. This guy is pure free market which will hopefully isolate the middle.

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Posted 11 August 2012 - 12:29 PM


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Posted 11 August 2012 - 12:43 PM

Paul Ryan of the Ryan Budget Plan, seeks to do away with Medicare for seniors.

He'll be a real fave with those seniors screaming to "No more Socialism" and "hand-off my federally funded MediCare!!"

Another country club white guy will be sure to help Romney's out of touch image with crucial Latino American voters also.

Not that i'm complaining, i'm very happy the Republicans didn't pick a visible minority.

Their slogan can officially now be. "Rich white guys for a better America for rich white guys! " Romney/Ryan 2012.

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Posted 11 August 2012 - 12:46 PM

Finally somebody that knows how to write a budget. It is something that nobody in the White House or the Senate seems to know how to do.

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Posted 11 August 2012 - 12:53 PM

Looks like Romney found someone willing to swallow his BS enough to be his running mate...pardon me while I vomit now.
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Posted 11 August 2012 - 12:54 PM

It must be an honour similar to being appointed co-captain of the Titanic.

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Posted 11 August 2012 - 12:54 PM

Finally somebody that knows how to write a budget. It is something that nobody in the White House or the Senate seems to know how to do.


Within minutes of tapping Paul Ryan as his vice presidential nominee, presumptive Republican nominee Mitt Romney was distancing himself from the congressman's controversial budget, which includes steep cuts to government programs and changing Medicare into a voucher-like program.


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Posted 11 August 2012 - 12:58 PM

Finally somebody that knows how to write a budget. It is something that nobody in the White House or the Senate seems to know how to do.


Writing a budget and getting a budget implemented are similar to telling a joke and being able to make people laugh .. any dick can write it but it takes true skill to make it work .. Ryan's budget guts the social safety net .. PERIOD ..

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Posted 11 August 2012 - 01:00 PM

Paul Ryan of the Ryan Budget Plan, seeks to do away with Medicare for seniors.

He'll be a real fave with those seniors screaming to "No more Socialism" and "hand-off my federally funded MediCare!!"


Go to jail then. Prisoners get the best medical coverage. This man knew exactly what to do.

Jail can be the new retirement home for aging boomers.

Not that i'm complaining, i'm very happy the Republicans didn't pick a visible minority.


I bet the Republican supporters are too.

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Posted 11 August 2012 - 01:16 PM

In this battle of the "lesser of two evils" (tongue-in-cheek) I'll cast my vote in favor of the guy who was only given four years to try and clean up a 10 year plus mess. Alfred E. Neuman and Prick Cheney screwed us for eight years beginning in 2001 and even before then an ineffective final two years of the Clinton administration had us at the very least stagnating....and the effects of these earlier mistakes are now somehow Obama's fault because he was unfairly expected to clean up a 10 year garbage dump of a situation in four years? Only if he was a superhero could he do that. People have got their head up their ass, to be quite honest, and if Romney is voted in, it will only be because the objections people raised when Obama was originally elected will come back to the forefront...the whole "my pappy says because he's black he shouldnt be president" "show us your birth certificate" blah blah blah...One of the most intelligent human beings to ever hold the office and the unwashed masses have to find something to bitch about. I'm understanding more and more why Einstein turned town the Presidency of Israel some 60 years ago.

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Posted 11 August 2012 - 01:24 PM

You guys should check out Rob Delaney's tweets about this guy, or just in general

f'n hilarious

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Posted 11 August 2012 - 01:46 PM

Gotta love the fake tea-partier's like Ryan, that whole movement is fake except for 1 guy, and ya'll know who he is.

Edited by key2thecup, 11 August 2012 - 01:47 PM.

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Posted 11 August 2012 - 01:51 PM

Gotta love the fake tea-partier's like Ryan, that whole movement is fake except for 1 guy, and ya'll know who he is.


I know who you're referring to....but the original Tea Partier....Samuel Adams, is the one who comes to mind for me. ;)
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Posted 11 August 2012 - 02:06 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAA1xgTTw9w


You don't care about the person who may potentially become the number 2 leader of the most powerful nation in the world?

Okay then.
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Posted 11 August 2012 - 02:09 PM

You don't care about the person who may potentially become the number 2 leader of the most powerful nation in the world?

Okay then.


This happens and I am going to swim to Europe. Just as I gave two ****s when McCain chose Palin to be his running mate...I care even less about Romney and his lackey.
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Posted 11 August 2012 - 02:28 PM

I know who you're referring to....but the original Tea Partier....Samuel Adams, is the one who comes to mind for me. ;)


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Posted 11 August 2012 - 02:33 PM

You don't care about the person who may potentially become the number 2 leader of the most powerful nation in the world?

Okay then.


I am more concerned about the guy who is going to be no.1 , some one who not only believes this,

but was a bishop in this church with a flock of about 4,000.
the only moroni are the people who vote for these 2 POS .

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Posted 11 August 2012 - 02:36 PM

I am more concerned about the guy who is going to be no.1 , some one who not only believes this,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=YVIa8lnqejs
but was a bishop in this church with a flock of about 4,000.
the only moroni are the people who vote for these 2 POS .


ROFLMFAO. That **** is even nuttier than the idea of a virgin birth...and that's saying something. "Joseph Smith was called a prophet...dum dum dum dum dum..."

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Posted 11 August 2012 - 04:14 PM

Well they already knew they werent getting the black vote and Romneys "deport the mexicans" stance has completely alienated latinos so hes not getting their vote. You can no longer win in America like that.

Florida senator Marco Rubio would have been a fine choice to bring some diversity to the party ticket. Get minorities a feeling like Romney cares even a little about them. But he just couldnt do it.

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Posted 11 August 2012 - 04:19 PM

Not that Romney will beat Obama, but too bad his VP pick wasn't running in his place since Romney has far more decision making clout than Ryan would as VP (all Ryan could do is break ties in the Senate).. cutting trillions from the US budget would do them good, but we all know Romney will cut two things, jack and ****.

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Posted 11 August 2012 - 04:27 PM

Not that Romney will beat Obama, but too bad his VP pick wasn't running in his place since Romney has far more decision making clout than Ryan would as VP (all Ryan could do is break ties in the Senate).. cutting trillions from the US budget would do them good, but we all know Romney will cut two things, jack and ****.


Even if he cut "trillions" from the budget...it'd be things that were essential, like Medicare, privatizing Social Security...and even more despicable...cutting taxes for the millionaires while raising taxes on us here in the middle class. I have no use for such an absolutely toxic human being, and the two of them deserve each other, in my opinion. Romney just committed political suicide. Thanks for coming, Mittens.
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Posted 11 August 2012 - 04:32 PM

Well they already knew they werent getting the black vote and Romneys "deport the mexicans" stance has completely alienated latinos so hes not getting their vote. You can no longer win in America like that.

Florida senator Marco Rubio would have been a fine choice to bring some diversity to the party ticket. Get minorities a feeling like Romney cares even a little about them. But he just couldnt do it.


The funny thing is that Romney has Latino heritage.

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Posted 11 August 2012 - 04:34 PM

The funny thing is that Romney has Latino heritage.


Yep. he's half Mexican. ;)

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Posted 11 August 2012 - 04:34 PM

Even if he cut "trillions" from the budget...it'd be things that were essential, like Medicare, privatizing Social Security...and even more despicable...cutting taxes for the millionaires while raising taxes on us here in the middle class. I have no use for such an absolutely toxic human being, and the two of them deserve each other, in my opinion. Romney just committed political suicide. Thanks for coming, Mittens.

Dude everything is "essential" nowadays, the US Social Security is going to be bankrupt well before I can ever draw any when I retire thanks to pulling funds out and issuing pointless IOU's that never get put back in, tax cuts as a long term solution combined with this heavy spending is one (large part) of several things that is bringing the US economy down and forcing the government to try and hold it up by spending more money it doesn't have, something that will continue to worsen until they let the economy crash and normalize.. or US money becomes completely worthless and the economy crashes as it should anyways, we'll see which happens first.

Once the US government can solve this debt problem first, then one can talk about essential services.. the US government can't provide any decent service right now without using funds for that service for other pork projects, golden parachutes, or ridiculous wars. That government is not one that should be given more authority or more money due to how piss poorly they manage it. The federal government in particular needs to be drastically chopped down.. it's too much of a mess. All this talk about personality and morals and religious convictions is part of the side show that politicians employ to keep you distracted in one hand from what they're doing with the other.

Any politician that would drastically cut into the US budget deficit and make a serious attempt to get their economy back on track the normal way (Ron Paul and Paul Ryan are a few), I'd overlook the stupid moral stuff they talk about to vote in since the economy is something they far more drastically influence than morals.

Edit: Thanks forums for eating my previous edit.

Edited by zaibatsu, 11 August 2012 - 04:40 PM.


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Posted 11 August 2012 - 04:40 PM

Dude everything is "essential" nowadays, the US Social Security is going to be bankrupt well before I can ever draw any when I retire thanks to pulling funds out and issuing pointless IOU's that never get put back in, tax cuts as a long term solution combined with this heavy spending is one (large part) of several things that is bringing the US economy down and forcing the government to try and hold it up by spending more money it doesn't have, something that will continue to worsen until they let the economy crash and normalize.. or US money becomes completely worthless and the economy crashes as it should anyways, we'll see which happens first.

Once the US government can solve this debt problem first, then one can talk about essential services.. the US government can't provide any decent service right now without using funds for that service for other pork projects, golden parachutes, or ridiculous wars. That government is not one that should be given more authority or more money due to how piss poorly they manage it. The federal government in particular needs to be drastically chopped down.. it's too much of a mess.


I'll clarify..."essential" to me and my parents, then...my father is going through the opening stages of dementia...and social security was doing nothing for us..and then Obamacare kicked in and now we can afford the medicine and treatments he needs to keep some semblance of a normal life going on. If Romney gets in, he will repeal Obamacare, and we'll be right back up sh** creek again.
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Posted 11 August 2012 - 04:47 PM

I'll clarify..."essential" to me and my parents, then...my father is going through the opening stages of dementia...and social security was doing nothing for us..and then Obamacare kicked in and now we can afford the medicine and treatments he needs to keep some semblance of a normal life going on. If Romney gets in, he will repeal Obamacare, and we'll be right back up sh** creek again.

That won't solve the problem of costly medical care, all this is doing is forcing more people into highly uncompetitive private healthcare at government's behest, pinning more costs upon taxpayers they cannot afford on top of an already insane deficit-laden budget, not addressing at all the issue of healthcare costs which would be best defined there by actual competition.

If Romney gets Obamacare repealed, it will have virtually no effect on the bigger picture except it won't be yet another enormous added weight onto taxpayers (read: with Bush tax cuts going on over 10 years now combined with ridiculous spending will be a higher deficit and a worthless dollar) backs. If you already spent all of your money and don't bring in enough, barely making interest payments on your already large debt, would it make sense to take out more credit cards and spend that too to fund more? No.

It's nice for everyone to have healthcare, it's also nice to first consider the costs and if you can afford it. The US cannot afford anything else, it's financial situation is dire. Cutting huge chunks of budget deficit is highly required far more than finding more ways to spend non-existent funds.

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Posted 11 August 2012 - 04:49 PM

That won't solve the problem of costly medical care, all this is doing is forcing more people into highly uncompetitive private healthcare at government's behest, pinning more costs upon taxpayers they cannot afford on top of an already insane deficit-laden budget, not addressing at all the issue of healthcare costs which would be best defined there by actual competition.

If Romney gets Obamacare repealed, it will have virtually no effect on the bigger picture except it won't be yet another enormous added weight onto taxpayers (read: with Bush tax cuts going on over 10 years now combined with ridiculous spending will be a higher deficit and a worthless dollar) backs. If you already spent all of your money and don't bring in enough, barely making interest payments on your already large debt, would it make sense to take out more credit cards and spend that too to fund more? No.

It's nice for everyone to have healthcare, it's also nice to first consider the costs and if you can afford it. The US cannot afford anything else, it's financial situation is dire. Cutting huge chunks of budget deficit is highly required far more than finding more ways to spend non-existent funds.


It's solved the problem of OUR costly medical care, and frankly, that's all I'm concerned with right now. If we couldn't afford it, then essentially they are telling people like my dad "too bad, you can't afford to live anymore". **** that noise.

Edited by Slaytanic Wehrmacht, 11 August 2012 - 04:51 PM.

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Posted 11 August 2012 - 04:57 PM

It's solved the problem of OUR costly medical care, and frankly, that's all I'm concerned with right now.

It's solved problems how? Because you and your father can now afford excessively costly care on taxpayers shoulder so government can continue putting off an ever increasing major problem for the next generation to figure out of how to fix a broken economy and insane deficit? I don't see a solution, I see exacerbation of a problem.

In the US my medication costs me $150 a month even with insurance ($350 without), here in Ontario without prescription insurance it costs me $21 a month, with prescription insurance only a $4 dispensing fee from the pharmacy.

There's a very obvious mess to clean up first before trusting that government to blow more taxpayer money for their big pharma friends. Not until the government figures out how to balance a budget would I trust it with the enormous task of a manageable healthcare system that includes more government spending.

Edited by zaibatsu, 11 August 2012 - 04:59 PM.





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