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#1 JensenFan2011

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 06:58 PM

So Vans core group of players are getting older, lets be honest the sedins will slow down soon so we need young guys to help out and take over. Our window is probably only 1-3 years right now and with 1 year possibly going out the window Mike Gillis may want to think about doing a mini re build while still keeping most core players. The mini re build would give the young players we obtain a full year to train in our facilities, get to know their new teamates and build some chemistry. I for one do not want to end up like the calgary flames refusing that its time to get younger. Our prospects are not good right now, we really need to upgrade in that department or we will no longer be contenders in a couple of years. The way i see it all we have is: Jensen,Kassian, Schroeder, Lack and Gaunce is pretty iffy right now. I say we do trades close to these.

To Van:
Cody Franson, 1st round pick (2013)

To Tor:
Luongo, Gordon

To Van:
Nino Niederreiter, 1st round pick (2013)

to NYI:
Alex Edler,Mason Raymond

Sedin Sedin Burrows
Booth Kesler Jensen
Niederreiter Lappy Hansen
Higgins Malhotra Kassian

Hamuis Bieksa
Franson Garisson
Ballard Tanev

Schnieder
Lack

Future Line up

Jensen Schroeder Kassian
Niederreiter Gaunce ?

That is without the 3 1st round picks that we would have in one of the deepest drafts... sounds like a pretty solid future to me.
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Posted 29 September 2012 - 07:06 PM

Not sure if Edler is worth A grade prospect and a first round pick
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Posted 29 September 2012 - 07:12 PM

Not sure if Edler is worth A grade prospect and a first round pick


NYI need a defensmen and one of Edlers Caliber is hard to obtain. Keep in mind the NYI have had troubles with Nino two years in a row. a -29 rating in 55 games is a sign of needing a fresh start somewheres else.
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Posted 29 September 2012 - 07:13 PM

Toronto laughs and hangs up the phone. and why do we trade Edler?

also higgins on the 4th?
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Posted 29 September 2012 - 07:17 PM

Toronto laughs and hangs up the phone. and why do we trade Edler?

also higgins on the 4th?


1) Toronto laughs at getting luongo for cheaper than col got Varlamov?

2) Edler wants more money than what we are willing to give him.... he is not our best defensemen but he wants paid more than him.

3) AV has said this Mg has said this and Higgins has said this, Higgins can be used in any role, he is a versitile foward. He can hit he can pass he can score. If we need a fourth line that will be agressive and make the other team make mistakes then you better damn well believe that Higgins will play the fourth line and he would do the role perfectly.
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Posted 29 September 2012 - 07:20 PM

I would do the first one but not the second one.... Niederiter is unproven and we should keep Edler. Plus, if this is a last resort if Eddie isn't gonna resign here, the Isles dont do it because he sure as hell isn't gonna sign there if he wont here.
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Posted 29 September 2012 - 07:21 PM

NYI need a defensmen and one of Edlers Caliber is hard to obtain. Keep in mind the NYI have had troubles with Nino two years in a row. a -29 rating in 55 games is a sign of needing a fresh start somewheres else.


Nino was playing on a team with one good forward (not on the same line) and a kind of good d-man
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Posted 29 September 2012 - 07:21 PM

The only reason we'd trade Edler is if Connauton and Tanev do so well in Chicago that Edler is expendable.

I just don't see that happening. You'd be making our defense weaker not stronger. Besides I'd trade Raymond for Nino straight up and I'd think that's overpayment. As bad as Raymond is he's not that poor at defense.
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Posted 29 September 2012 - 07:22 PM

1) Toronto laughs at getting luongo for cheaper than col got Varlamov?

2) Edler wants more money than what we are willing to give him.... he is not our best defensemen but he wants paid more than him.

3) AV has said this Mg has said this and Higgins has said this, Higgins can be used in any role, he is a versitile foward. He can hit he can pass he can score. If we need a fourth line that will be agressive and make the other team make mistakes then you better damn well believe that Higgins will play the fourth line and he would do the role perfectly.


Higgins is too good to play on the 4th line....sure, he could do it, but he deserves to be in the top six. the only reason why he isn't there is because we have a bunch of studs and a soon to be stud (kassian) packed into the top six.
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Posted 29 September 2012 - 07:26 PM

I would do the first one but not the second one.... Niederiter is unproven and we should keep Edler. Plus, if this is a last resort if Eddie isn't gonna resign here, the Isles dont do it because he sure as hell isn't gonna sign there if he wont here.


Money. They have enough money to throw at him, he would resign there... plus they will be a good team in a few years there is no reason why players wouldn't want to go there
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Posted 29 September 2012 - 07:32 PM

2) Edler wants more money than what we are willing to give him.... he is not our best defensemen but he wants paid more than him.

Can you please provide a link to a report that claims Edler wants more than what MG has offered him? If not don't post stuff that isn't true.
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In my eyes drouin is overrated he can score in the qmjhl but did nothing in last two gold medal games that canada lost. Fox will be better pro than him talk to me in five yrs

Gaudreau has one NHL goal whereas all your "prized" prospects have none.

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 07:32 PM

Higgins is too good to play on the 4th line....sure, he could do it, but he deserves to be in the top six. the only reason why he isn't there is because we have a bunch of studs and a soon to be stud (kassian) packed into the top six.


yes but just because he deserves top 6 mins doesn't mean he can't play 4th line. we all understand that he is a great player bt like you said we have studs ahead of him and he is going to have to let them run with it while playing the important agressive role of the 4th line
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Posted 29 September 2012 - 07:34 PM

Money. They have enough money to throw at him, he would resign there... plus they will be a good team in a few years there is no reason why players wouldn't want to go there


Edited by BertuzziFan2010, 29 September 2012 - 07:35 PM.

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 07:36 PM

Can you please provide a link to a report that claims Edler wants more than what MG has offered him? If not don't post stuff that isn't true.


In MG's recent intervie with team 1040 he talks about why edler and them didn't reach an agreement. MG said he has a system that they like to follow on how they pay the defencemen and that edler wanted more
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Posted 29 September 2012 - 07:38 PM

So Vans core group of players are getting older, lets be honest the sedins will slow down soon so we need young guys to help out and take over. Our window is probably only 1-3 years right now and with 1 year possibly going out the window Mike Gillis may want to think about doing a mini re build while still keeping most core players. The mini re build would give the young players we obtain a full year to train in our facilities, get to know their new teamates and build some chemistry. I for one do not want to end up like the calgary flames refusing that its time to get younger. Our prospects are not good right now, we really need to upgrade in that department or we will no longer be contenders in a couple of years. The way i see it all we have is: Jensen,Kassian, Schroeder, Lack and Gaunce is pretty iffy right now. I say we do trades close to these.

To Van:
Cody Franson, 1st round pick (2013)

To Tor:
Luongo, Gordon

To Van:
Nino Niederreiter, 1st round pick (2013)

to NYI:
Alex Edler,Mason Raymond

Sedin Sedin Burrows
Booth Kesler Jensen
Niederreiter Lappy Hansen
Higgins Malhotra Kassian

Hamuis Bieksa
Franson Garisson
Ballard Tanev

Schnieder
Lack

Future Line up

Jensen Schroeder Kassian
Niederreiter Gaunce ?

That is without the 3 1st round picks that we would have in one of the deepest drafts... sounds like a pretty solid future to me.


Luongo is worth more than just Cody Franson and a first on his own and Edler is worth more than Nino and a first on his own.
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Posted 29 September 2012 - 07:38 PM

In MG's recent intervie with team 1040 he talks about why edler and them didn't reach an agreement. MG said he has a system that they like to follow on how they pay the defencemen and that edler wanted more

Well I don't blame Edler for wanting more than $4.6 million. 50 point, future Norris winners don't grow on trees.
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In my eyes drouin is overrated he can score in the qmjhl but did nothing in last two gold medal games that canada lost. Fox will be better pro than him talk to me in five yrs

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 07:40 PM

Well I don't blame Edler for wanting more than $4.6 million. 50 point, future Norris winners don't grow on trees.


The point is though Mg won't pay him more sure i think Hamuis wanted more but he bought into the system to come home and try to win the cup. If edler wants too much then we might as well get something good out of him
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Posted 29 September 2012 - 07:41 PM

Can you please provide a link to a report that claims Edler wants more than what MG has offered him? If not don't post stuff that isn't true.




Instead of posting try using the googles, MG said it in that interview.
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Posted 29 September 2012 - 07:43 PM

Luongo is worth more than just Cody Franson and a first on his own and Edler is worth more than Nino and a first on his own.


i'm thinking thats along the lines of what we will get though.

Luongo being 34 at the start of next year and Edler only having one year of his contract left
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Posted 29 September 2012 - 07:46 PM

Even though we gain a few picks, Franson and Nino, we don't improve as much as we should in our current line up if we do move Luongo and Edler. But 3 firsts in 2013 would be incredible.
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Posted 29 September 2012 - 07:48 PM

i'm thinking thats along the lines of what we will get though.

Luongo being 34 at the start of next year and Edler only having one year of his contract left


Edler's contract situation is a fair point but goalies can play til they're way older than 34.
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Posted 29 September 2012 - 07:51 PM

Edler's contract situation is a fair point but goalies can play til they're way older than 34.


i know that but Burke will use it as leverage. i'm not saying Luongo is going to be bad i mean he will always be elite (like Brouder) but age will play a factor
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Posted 29 September 2012 - 07:53 PM

Even though we gain a few picks, Franson and Nino, we don't improve as much as we should in our current line up if we do move Luongo and Edler. But 3 firsts in 2013 would be incredible.

This. I don't think there's a spot on this team for Franson right now, unless Ballard gets traded. So maybe we could push for Ashton and a 1st instead?
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In my eyes drouin is overrated he can score in the qmjhl but did nothing in last two gold medal games that canada lost. Fox will be better pro than him talk to me in five yrs

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 08:00 PM

Money. They have enough money to throw at him, he would resign there... plus they will be a good team in a few years there is no reason why players wouldn't want to go there


do you not remember what happened to Ehrhoff? the canucks traded him to NYI, and the Isles threw a bunch of money at him but he still didn't sign there.... i suspect that would be the same with Edler, if it is true that he wants a ton of money.
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Posted 29 September 2012 - 08:01 PM

This. I don't think there's a spot on this team for Franson right now, unless Ballard gets traded. So maybe we could push for Ashton and a 1st instead?


Both deals could work if done correctly.
If we could get JM Liles or Gunnarson in the deal, then Edler could be expendable with his current contract. Or if the season is a full lockout de Haan and a first for Edler and Raymond, or something slong those lines.

Personally, I would move Luongo and Edler if we had 3 firsts, a top 4 dman and a top prospect in return. (ie. Liles and de Haan)
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Posted 29 September 2012 - 08:03 PM

Both deals could work if done correctly.
If we could get JM Liles or Gunnarson in the deal, then Edler could be expendable with his current contract. Or if the season is a full lockout de Haan and a first for Edler and Raymond, or something slong those lines.

Personally, I would move Luongo and Edler if we had 3 firsts, a top 4 dman and a top prospect in return. (ie. Liles and de Haan)

That's what I'm thinking too.
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In my eyes drouin is overrated he can score in the qmjhl but did nothing in last two gold medal games that canada lost. Fox will be better pro than him talk to me in five yrs

Gaudreau has one NHL goal whereas all your "prized" prospects have none.

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 08:08 PM

That's what I'm thinking too.


This looks fine:
Hamhuis/Bieksa
Garrison/Liles
Ballard/Tanev

And NYI's first could get us Ristolainen or Monahan.
TOR's could get Rychel/Morrissey if they drop.

Morrissey/Ristolainen, Connauton, Sauve, Tanev, Corrado, McNally, McEneny possibly.
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Posted 29 September 2012 - 08:13 PM

This looks fine:
Hamhuis/Bieksa
Garrison/Liles
Ballard/Tanev

And NYI's first could get us Ristolainen or Monahan.
TOR's could get Rychel/Morrissey if they drop.

Morrissey/Ristolainen, Connauton, Sauve, Tanev, Corrado, McNally, McEneny possibly.

That would help ease the loss of Edler if we got those three prospects. I don't know too much about Ristolainen, and if he's taken we should go after Jordan Subban or Max Domi instead.
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In my eyes drouin is overrated he can score in the qmjhl but did nothing in last two gold medal games that canada lost. Fox will be better pro than him talk to me in five yrs

Gaudreau has one NHL goal whereas all your "prized" prospects have none.

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 08:55 PM

People still aren't understanding that Lou's contract combined with the control he has concerning destination is really crippling MG's ability to make a fair deal.
Lou is 33 yrs old and will be paid 6.7 mil. until he's 39 yrs old. That's a pretty sizable commitment for any team to make; especially if the cap goes down.
Everyone knows he wants to go back to Florida and is doing his best to steer MG in that direction. Combine this with the above issue and it spells a, " get what you can," scenario for MG.

To Vancouver:
2013 1st & 2nd rnd pick

To Florida:
Roberto Luongo

Of course this is all pending a new CBA, but if MG can get decent futures for Lou, I would consider it a victory for us. It also saves us a pile of cap space.

Edited by komodo1970, 29 September 2012 - 08:56 PM.

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 09:02 PM

NYI need a defensmen and one of Edlers Caliber is hard to obtain. Keep in mind the NYI have had troubles with Nino two years in a row. a -29 rating in 55 games is a sign of needing a fresh start somewheres else.


They also rushed Nino into the league. He wasn't ready for the NHL, let alone 55 games! Playing in the AHL this year will hopefully save his development.
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