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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:25 AM

She was young so I can sympathize a bit with her. However, if she were older, I don't think I would be able to.

She made a lot of _REALLY_ stupid mistakes that lead to this, and then she killed herself. It was an incredibly selfish thing to do. Again, she was young, so I can appreciate that.

I still want the bullies put to justice ofcourse as it is also mostly their fault for this tragic outcome.

Keeping in mind there are children in third-world countries on the brink of starvation and ones who fight to their last breath with no help, no parents or counselling; it doesn't seem fair that we are not to sympathize with them and these children here get front-page news.


Well if you are not all about @Firstworldproblems, them don't spend your time making comments on this forum. Instead, you should /quit life and go work in a third world country - devote your time to those starving children in Africa.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:37 AM

Well if you are not all about @Firstworldproblems, them don't spend your time making comments on this forum. Instead, you should /quit life and go work in a third world country - devote your time to those starving children in Africa.

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I'm not all for third world problems. Infact, you completely missed my point, you dodged the entire post actually.

It is much easier to judge someone as heartless and tell them how horrible of a person they are for having their opinion rather than actually arguing with their particular point.

So why don't you present me with a conflicting argument and try and convince me rather than ridiculing me?

Edited by JeremyW, 16 October 2012 - 12:56 AM.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 01:05 AM

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She was young so I can sympathize a bit with her. However, if she were older, I don't think I would be able to.

She made a lot of _REALLY_ stupid mistakes that lead to this, and then she killed herself. It was an incredibly selfish thing to do. Again, she was young, so I can appreciate that.

I still want the bullies put to justice ofcourse as it is also mostly their fault for this tragic outcome.

Keeping in mind there are children in third-world countries on the brink of starvation and ones who fight to their last breath with no help, no parents or counselling; it doesn't seem fair that we are not to sympathize with them and these children here get front-page news.


I love how people put the focus on her and her mistakes, and completely avoid the fact that she was preyed on and seduced by an older guy, and then extorted for sex. Yet she's the one that should be ridiculed? Funny how society today finds it more convenient to label a girl a slut, then to actually look at the situation.

This girl was 13 when this started! You show me a 13 year old girl that isn't irrational and vulnerable, and I'll call you a liar.

Killing yourself is selfish, huh? How inconsiderate that she didn't think about anyone but herself and the fact that she no longer had the will to live. I'm sorry, but unless you have walked a mile in other people's shoes, don't make judgements. Anyone who hasn't battled depression has no right to say anything on the matter, because the bottom line is no one knows what these people were going through.

Rick Rypien wasn't a selfish coward, he was a good man that was battling his own personal demons, which eventually got the best of him. This idea that people who commit suicide are selfish or weak is ridiculous. These people have an actual sickness that changes the way you think and feel. So stop and think before you post such insensitive, misinformed posts.

Oh and I love the whole, if there's something worse out there, it means this isn't important argument. Yes there are starving kids in Africa, but that doesn't mean this issue isn't worth discussing.

Edited by DeNiro, 16 October 2012 - 01:09 AM.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 01:15 AM

I'm not all for third world problems. Infact, you completely missed my point, you dodged the entire post actually.

It is much easier to judge someone as heartless and tell them how horrible of a person they are for having their opinion rather than actually arguing with their particular point.

So why don't you present me with a conflicting argument and try and convince me rather than ridiculing me?


Heh - was your point that we don't sympathize with them or that they don't get front page news? (maybe a combo of the two?)

If it was that we don't sympathize with them, then.... yeah, of course not. How can we? I've never had to fight for my life for food in a world where even access to clean drinking water is a struggle. I have however been subject to ridicule and bullying, online and otherwise (always, of course, in a FIRST world country), and can therefore sympathize to that... because I've had experience... hence the context of the word "sympathize".

If you're talking front page news then I suggest you find an alternative news group. Does the name Malala ring any bells?


Else If, you still think I've missed your point AND/OR called you out personally /slash/ ridiculed you for being heartless and a horrible person, please refer to my "/sarcasm" tag. Present me with an obvious argument and I will present you with an obvious conflicting argument
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 01:37 AM

She was young so I can sympathize a bit with her. However, if she were older, I don't think I would be able to.

She made a lot of _REALLY_ stupid mistakes that lead to this, and then she killed herself. It was an incredibly selfish thing to do. Again, she was young, so I can appreciate that.

I still want the bullies put to justice ofcourse as it is also mostly their fault for this tragic outcome.

Keeping in mind there are children in third-world countries on the brink of starvation and ones who fight to their last breath with no help, no parents or counselling; it doesn't seem fair that we are not to sympathize with them and these children here get front-page news.


Stupidest thing I've ever read. So we should just forget about any local news and have international news all over our local news paper. If you want to read about world events, then use different media outlets. There is always and will always be starving children in Africa and am sure everyone in the world is informed about that and the living condition there. Why should there be a 24 hour coverage of what is going on in 3rd world countries and what is happening in Africa when we also have our own problems and politics that needs to be covered locally?

Also blaming the victim because of her decision or mistake is stupid when the victim was only 12 years old at that time. If you are blaming the victim, then you are also okay with child molestation. I mean if they have great judgement similar to adults, than why can't we have sex with them too, right?

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 01:39 AM

Not sure if this has been posted it yet

Resident claims that Anonymous has wrong address for earlier info leak on Kody Maxson.

http://www.cknw.com/...aspx?ID=1791555
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The key difference is that Sopel can fill in for Seabrook and Campbell just fine. Bieksa, he is garbage so in that sense he is like the worst defenseman in the league.


When Cody (Hodgson) gets older, he might be better than Datsyuk.


Let's not push this guy (Kassian). He's still immature, and if he fails on the 2nd line it's because he isn't ready. Some guys really need years to develop, it's how well and how fast players adapt to the game. In my opinion, I'd rather have Horvat getting 2nd line minutes. He will start off on the 3rd line next season but I see him making the transition, being a great compliment to whoever plays his wings.

At this point, I don't see Kassian fitting in to any role other than a 3rd. If players like Kassian start getting 2nd line minutes then we just stay inconsistent as a team.


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Posted 16 October 2012 - 01:51 AM

Not sure if this has been posted it yet

Resident claims that Anonymous has wrong address for earlier info leak on Kody Maxson.

http://www.cknw.com/...aspx?ID=1791555


lol even if it IS him obviously he's going to deny it, i'm sure it will be looked into further
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 02:03 AM

lol even if it IS him obviously he's going to deny it, i'm sure it will be looked into further


Clearly you haven't been following the case at all. Wrong address, but CTV has already caught up to Kody Maxson who claims he knew Amanda Todd and is already in court in Surrey due to a sexual assault case.

Furthermore...

“We generally don’t like to deal with police first hand but were compelled to put our skills to good use protecting kids,” it read. “Ironically we have some good people in Vancouver who brought this to our admin’s attention. It’s a very sad story that affects all of us."


So the real Kody Maxson wouldnt' be bright enough to tell the cops that he doesn't live at that address, secondly, the real Kody Maxson was dumb enough to admit that he knew Amanda Todd and tried to deflect blame onto another person in NYC...

http://bc.ctvnews.ca...d-down-1.997244
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The key difference is that Sopel can fill in for Seabrook and Campbell just fine. Bieksa, he is garbage so in that sense he is like the worst defenseman in the league.


When Cody (Hodgson) gets older, he might be better than Datsyuk.


Let's not push this guy (Kassian). He's still immature, and if he fails on the 2nd line it's because he isn't ready. Some guys really need years to develop, it's how well and how fast players adapt to the game. In my opinion, I'd rather have Horvat getting 2nd line minutes. He will start off on the 3rd line next season but I see him making the transition, being a great compliment to whoever plays his wings.

At this point, I don't see Kassian fitting in to any role other than a 3rd. If players like Kassian start getting 2nd line minutes then we just stay inconsistent as a team.


The idiocy on CDC....

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 02:12 AM

So the real Kody Maxson wouldnt' be bright enough to tell the cops that he doesn't live at that address, secondly, the real Kody Maxson was dumb enough to admit that he knew Amanda Todd and tried to deflect blame onto another person in NYC...

http://bc.ctvnews.ca...d-down-1.997244


read the link:

I'm not convinced the Surrey guy "in question" is the man they are after, but I'm pretty convinced the guy who actually is responsible will be caught. Hell, they caught the dude response for the "I love you" virus, and it looks like they are definitely putting the resources into actually trying to catch him, so really it's only a matter of time.

Either way, justice will be served... and then served again.
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 02:33 AM

"I love how people put the focus on her and her mistakes, and completely avoid the fact that she was preyed on and seduced by an older guy, and then extorted for sex. Yet she's the one that should be ridiculed?"

What I said:

"I still want the bullies put to justice ofcourse as it is also mostly their fault for this tragic outcome."

It was in part due to her mistake that she killed herself, but, as I highlighted there, it wouldn't have gone this far had she not been bullied. I am not negating the bullying nor and I saying it is less significant than the mistakes she made which lead to it.

"Funny how society today finds it more convenient to label a girl a slut, then to actually look at the situation."

By 'society' I assume you mean MOST people but yourself, or rather me. I didn't call this girl a slut, and I haven't met anyone in society who would.

I would look at this situation and determine that there is nothing that can be done with cyber-bullying. That making yourself subject to dangerous individuals and giving them reasons to pursue you, and Amanda made several mistakes, will result in the subsequent pursuing of those particular individuals.

"This girl was 13 when this started! You show me a 13 year old girl that isn't irrational and vulnerable, and I'll call you a liar"

Hence why I said:
"She was young so I can sympathize a bit with her. However, if she were older, I don't think I would be able to."

Killing yourself is selfish, huh? How inconsiderate that she didn't think about anyone but herself and the fact that she no longer had the will to live. I'm sorry, but unless you have walked a mile in other people's shoes, don't make judgements. Anyone who hasn't battled depression has no right to say anything on the matter, because the bottom line is no one knows what these people were going through.


I have battled depression, and I was bullied through high-school. Many kids have had to deal with it. To kill yourself is to put your friends and family through the worst momments of their lives. Killing yourself is not thinking of what you're taking from everyone else. It is thinking of a one-way-out solution to your problems and creating a no-way-out problem for your parents or friends who could lay sleepless for the rest of their lifes asking if it was their fault, or if there was something they could've done to stop you from killing yourself.

Rick Rypien wasn't a selfish coward, he was a good man that was battling his own personal demons, which eventually got the best of him. This idea that people who commit suicide are selfish or weak is ridiculous. These people have an actual sickness that changes the way you think and feel. So stop and think before you post such insensitive, misinformed posts.


I didn't call anyone a coward for killing themselves. NIETHER did I call them weak. Don't put words in my mouth when you are arguing with me, especially ones like those. Rick Rypien's case is much different than Amanda Todd's. And to be honest, I don't know the specifics on Rick Rypien's case, but I imagine they aren't anything like Amanda Todd's, so that is about as far as I will go with that paragraph.

"Heh - was your point that we don't sympathize with them or that they don't get front page news? (maybe a combo of the two?)"

"Oh and I love the whole, if there's something worse out there, it means this isn't important argument. Yes there are starving kids in Africa, but that doesn't mean this issue isn't worth discussing."

That last bit was just something to think about. It wasn't the point of the argument. The point of the argument was described in the preceding text.

So...

"If it was that we don't sympathize with them, then.... yeah, of course not. How can we? I've never had to fight for my life for food in a world where even access to clean drinking water is a struggle. I have however been subject to ridicule and bullying, online and otherwise (always, of course, in a FIRST world country), and can therefore sympathize to that... because I've had experience... hence the context of the word "sympathize".

If you're talking front page news then I suggest you find an alternative news group. Does the name Malala ring any bells?


Else If, you still think I've missed your point AND/OR called you out personally /slash/ ridiculed you for being heartless and a horrible person, please refer to my "/sarcasm" tag. Present me with an obvious argument and I will present you with an obvious conflicting argument"

and...


"Stupidest thing I've ever read. So we should just forget about any local news and have international news all over our local news paper. If you want to read about world events, then use different media outlets. There is always and will always be starving children in Africa and am sure everyone in the world is informed about that and the living condition there. Why should there be a 24 hour coverage of what is going on in 3rd world countries and what is happening in Africa when we also have our own problems and politics that needs to be covered locally?"

Is not at all what I am implying. Sorry if you somehow managed to infer that as the main argument of my post.

"Also blaming the victim because of her decision or mistake is stupid when the victim was only 12 years old at that time. If you are blaming the victim, then you are also okay with child molestation."

And that is where I stopped reading.

That is a ridiculous statement. I'm not even going to bother responding to that. You are arguing by making very bold assumptions of A LOT of people, and I really don't appreciate that. If you have a point to make, make restate it.


Sorry if I didn't address all those points as thoroughly as you may've liked, there were a lot of responses on my post as you can probably tell and I have to get going somewhere so I really don't have time to read through this carefully. Excuse any typos\grammar errors please.
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 02:33 AM

something should be done about the little dipsh!t kids at her school too
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 02:45 AM

"I love how people put the focus on her and her mistakes, and completely avoid the fact that she was preyed on and seduced by an older guy, and then extorted for sex. Yet she's the one that should be ridiculed?"

What I said:

"I still want the bullies put to justice ofcourse as it is also mostly their fault for this tragic outcome."

It was in part due to her mistake that she killed herself, but, as I highlighted there, it wouldn't have gone this far had she not been bullied. I am not negating the bullying nor and I saying it is less significant than the mistakes she made which lead to it.

"Funny how society today finds it more convenient to label a girl a slut, then to actually look at the situation."

By 'society' I assume you mean MOST people but yourself, or rather me. I didn't call this girl a slut, and I haven't met anyone in society who would.

I would look at this situation and determine that there is nothing that can be done with cyber-bullying. That making yourself subject to dangerous individuals and giving them reasons to pursue you, and Amanda made several mistakes, will result in the subsequent pursuing of those particular individuals.

"This girl was 13 when this started! You show me a 13 year old girl that isn't irrational and vulnerable, and I'll call you a liar"

Hence why I said:
"She was young so I can sympathize a bit with her. However, if she were older, I don't think I would be able to."



I have battled depression, and I was bullied through high-school. Many kids have had to deal with it. To kill yourself is to put your friends and family through the worst momments of their lives. Killing yourself is not thinking of what you're taking from everyone else. It is thinking of a one-way-out solution to your problems and creating a no-way-out problem for your parents or friends who could lay sleepless for the rest of their lifes asking if it was their fault, or if there was something they could've done to stop you from killing yourself.



I didn't call anyone a coward for killing themselves. NIETHER did I call them weak. Don't put words in my mouth when you are arguing with me, especially ones like those. Rick Rypien's case is much different than Amanda Todd's. And to be honest, I don't know the specifics on Rick Rypien's case, but I imagine they aren't anything like Amanda Todd's, so that is about as far as I will go with that paragraph.

"Heh - was your point that we don't sympathize with them or that they don't get front page news? (maybe a combo of the two?)"

"Oh and I love the whole, if there's something worse out there, it means this isn't important argument. Yes there are starving kids in Africa, but that doesn't mean this issue isn't worth discussing."

That last bit was just something to think about. It wasn't the point of the argument. The point of the argument was described in the preceding text.

So...

"If it was that we don't sympathize with them, then.... yeah, of course not. How can we? I've never had to fight for my life for food in a world where even access to clean drinking water is a struggle. I have however been subject to ridicule and bullying, online and otherwise (always, of course, in a FIRST world country), and can therefore sympathize to that... because I've had experience... hence the context of the word "sympathize".

If you're talking front page news then I suggest you find an alternative news group. Does the name Malala ring any bells?


Else If, you still think I've missed your point AND/OR called you out personally /slash/ ridiculed you for being heartless and a horrible person, please refer to my "/sarcasm" tag. Present me with an obvious argument and I will present you with an obvious conflicting argument"

and...


"Stupidest thing I've ever read. So we should just forget about any local news and have international news all over our local news paper. If you want to read about world events, then use different media outlets. There is always and will always be starving children in Africa and am sure everyone in the world is informed about that and the living condition there. Why should there be a 24 hour coverage of what is going on in 3rd world countries and what is happening in Africa when we also have our own problems and politics that needs to be covered locally?"

Is not at all what I am implying. Sorry if you somehow managed to infer that as the main argument of my post.

"Also blaming the victim because of her decision or mistake is stupid when the victim was only 12 years old at that time. If you are blaming the victim, then you are also okay with child molestation."

And that is where I stopped reading.

That is a ridiculous statement. I'm not even going to bother responding to that. You are arguing by making very bold assumptions of A LOT of people, and I really don't appreciate that. If you have a point to make, make restate it.


Sorry if I didn't address all those points as thoroughly as you may've liked, there were a lot of responses on my post as you can probably tell and I have to get going somewhere so I really don't have time to read through this carefully. Excuse any typos\grammar errors please.


Yeah so I read what you just wrote several times and I really have no idea how you've now actually responded to anything I"VE said, other then to just quote me and then lump my statements in with someone else...

So now, I'm just going to assume you actually are a cold hearted bastiche who has nothing more to contribute to this topic then "blah blah blah, look at me". Good day sir.
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 02:49 AM

Yeah so I read what you just wrote several times and I really have no idea how you've now actually responded to anything I"VE said, other then to just quote me and then lump my statements in with someone else...


I was responding to several posts at once. I think that is fairly standard when one person is responding to multiple posts. I could not use the quote blocks as they would exceed the max amount allowed in a post. Quotes are enclosed in " and have response following them.

So now, I'm just going to assume you actually are a cold hearted bastiche who has nothing more to contribute to this topic then "blah blah blah, look at me". Good day sir.

Then you will do so ignorantly and arrogently. You will develop a perspective on something without even considering the opposing argument.

You aren't worth my time anyway if that is how you think.

Edited by JeremyW, 16 October 2012 - 02:50 AM.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 02:53 AM

I was responding to several posts at once. I think that is fairly standard when one person is responding to multiple posts. I could not use the quote blocks as they would exceed the max amount allowed in a post. Quotes are enclosed in " and have response following them.


Then you will do so ignorantly and arrogently. You will develop a perspective on something without even considering the opposing argument.

You aren't worth my time anyway if that is how you think.


You should probably just stop. Obviously you don't have to but it might be for the best.
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 03:48 AM

I probably sound horrible for saying this, but why does everyone care so much? I mean, people kill themselves because of bullying every day, and nobody gives a **** about them. Is it just because she made a Youtube video or is there some other reason? Personally i think that people are going to far by calling her an "angel" and a "saint" because she clearly wasn't. She showed her body and slept with guys when she was 15. What i am saying is, why don't we react like this every time a kid kills himself because of bullying? Why the big reaction for this one case? Just my opinion.
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 04:03 AM

I probably sound horrible for saying this, but why does everyone care so much? I mean, people kill themselves because of bullying every day, and nobody gives a **** about them. Is it just because she made a Youtube video or is there some other reason? Personally i think that people are going to far by calling her an "angel" and a "saint" because she clearly wasn't. She showed her body and slept with guys when she was 15. What i am saying is, why don't we react like this every time a kid kills himself because of bullying? Why the big reaction for this one case? Just my opinion.


Why not this one? I agree it should be everyone but the facts are this one did make a youtube video and did bring what she did and what was happening to her to light. What she did was a mistake; which she acknowledged, but the fact is she did bring her situation to light and hopefully that can help bring other peoples situations to light be that the bullied or the bullies.

People who think this is more about Amanda Todd than it is about the situation are misguided in their opinion; in my opinion. A lot of people end up being the namesakes for things that they were simply a trigger for. Hopefully Amanda Todd is a trigger for something much greater than just herself or the issues surrounding her life and death. The problem will be if their are enough cynical people out there who just let this go up in smoke and pretend there was no fire under it; some might assume your opinion would be part of that but it does at the very least focus on the wrong aspect of this. A young girl died and that is very tragic but on a greater scale it doesn't matter if it doesn't impact the actual problem(s).

Why does everyone care so much about this one? "Why" doesn't matter; I will repeat what does matter which is why not?

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 05:03 AM

Why not this one? I agree it should be everyone but the facts are this one did make a youtube video and did bring what she did and what was happening to her to light. What she did was a mistake; which she acknowledged, but the fact is she did bring her situation to light and hopefully that can help bring other peoples situations to light be that the bullied or the bullies.

People who think this is more about Amanda Todd than it is about the situation are misguided in their opinion; in my opinion. A lot of people end up being the namesakes for things that they were simply a trigger for. Hopefully Amanda Todd is a trigger for something much greater than just herself or the issues surrounding her life and death. The problem will be if their are enough cynical people out there who just let this go up in smoke and pretend there was no fire under it; some might assume your opinion would be part of that but it does at the very least focus on the wrong aspect of this. A young girl died and that is very tragic but on a greater scale it doesn't matter if it doesn't impact the actual problem(s).

Why does everyone care so much about this one? "Why" doesn't matter; I will repeat what does matter which is why not?

Fair enough, just trying to get some opinions. You are right about the fact that she is more of a trigger, but the fact is these triggers (there have been a few) always seem to be an attractive female aged around 15-17. I can't remember her name, but about 5-6 months ago there was a girl who did the same thing with the flash cards. I'm just saying why is it always that type of person, never some "ugly, nerdy kid". Are people that shallow that they will only talk about these things because someone who was "beautiful" did it? Just saying that you never ever see these things explode when a kid like this did it, and i find that sad.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 05:21 AM

Fair enough, just trying to get some opinions. You are right about the fact that she is more of a trigger, but the fact is these triggers (there have been a few) always seem to be an attractive female aged around 15-17. I can't remember her name, but about 5-6 months ago there was a girl who did the same thing with the flash cards. I'm just saying why is it always that type of person, never some "ugly, nerdy kid". Are people that shallow that they will only talk about these things because someone who was "beautiful" did it? Just saying that you never ever see these things explode when a kid like this did it, and i find that sad.

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The unfortunate truth is we generally never see these things explode so I couldn't care less if the reason it does is because it's a pretty girl. I work closely with the school district where I am and deal with bullying in some form or another on a weekly basis especially given the population I work with. I've seen plenty of what would be considered pretty people and ugly peoples problems completely passed over by peers, teachers and admin simply because it/they didn't cause enough waves.

I would say in my experience most people keep this stuff pretty close to the vest. Perhaps the only reason this gets out is because she's pretty. Do you think that guy in the picture you posted would have the confidence to put up a youtube video. (btw are we presupposing this guy is bullied, beaten and has issues that need to be medicated. I'm sorry I'm just not entirely sure of the purpose. Was it just to show a nerdy guy and say he hasn't committed suicide? Hope not.) Seems to me this girl maybe thought the only thing she did have going for her was physical image; most people in that situation don't or at least don't feel that way.

I'm get what you're saying and I agree there are probably people out there who have only given this more than a single thought because they find her attractive. My thought though is it doesn't matter if that's the case at all. In fact I say good but only if it actually helps to change something. If for every 10 guys that are just paying attention because "she's hot" 1 person doesn't get bullied or 1 person decides to stop bullying or understands what bullying is then that's great. We as people make the choice what to pay attention to; asking why her because she's pretty or why not somebody ugly imo are the wrong questions and the wrong thing to focus on. Obviously the answer is because she's not fat and she put herself and her situation out there. The putting herself out there part is pretty admirable even if it only happened because she saw her physical image as being the only redeeming thing about herself. She made enough of a wave; it doesn't matter how or why the wave happened but hopefully it rides out for more than just a couple of months.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 07:25 AM

(btw are we presupposing this guy is bullied, beaten and has issues that need to be medicated. I'm sorry I'm just not entirely sure of the purpose. Was it just to show a nerdy guy and say he hasn't committed suicide? Hope not.)

No, it was merely to show a stereotypical nerdy person who would potentially be bullied, and not have the type of public reception that Amanda has had.
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 11:11 AM

Not sure if it's been mentioned yet, but related to this issue, watch the movie "Trust" with Clive Owen, Catherine Keener and an unreal performance by Liana Liberato... I just happened to randomly watch this movie last night while checking around Telus video on demand.

It came out in 2010 but it is almost as if it was based partially on Amanda Todd's story... Powerful, intense movie.
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 11:47 AM

No, it was merely to show a stereotypical nerdy person who would potentially be bullied, and not have the type of public reception that Amanda has had.


That picture was unnecessary. I don't really know why you posted it.


But in regards to Amanda Todd, yes, she is but one person among who commit suicide in this country every year. Her death was tragic, and sad, but what she has really become is a lightning rod for discussion mainly because her particular situation has become so public.

The reason we should care is that most of the time, you're right, nobody cares. Deaths like these get swept under the rug, brushed aside like a dirty secret. Bullying, depression, and suicide have always been one of those things that people don't want to talk about, don't want to deal with. But now with Amanda's highly public death, people are talking about it, and it's important that the discussion continues.

See, one of the biggest problems surrounding bullying and depression and other mental issues is the social stigma. It's important for these things to have a more exposure and for the public to talk about it. Only by educating people about it, talking about it, can we try and remove some of that stigma.

And to some degree, I think that was Amanda's goal. Clearly, if you read through this entire thread or sift through the hundreds of stupid comments on social media, you can still see the ignorance and insensitivity displayed by people about this subject matter. And therein really lies the issue. People don't truly understand it, nor do they want to. And as we all know, an uninformed opinion, is an ignorant opinion, and is usually a wrong opinion.

I think that Amanda Todd committed suicide not only because the pain had gotten too much, and that she saw no end to her situation. By making her situation painfully public, she has become a martyr. She died in hopes that her small voice in a sea of ignorance and hatred and misguided opinions could perhaps be heard, and that others would not have to suffer the same fate. Don't get me wrong and think that she did this purely for some noble cause, but even if that was not her goal, at the very least, people are talking about it.


I shared the same opinion of suicide as many others when I was a younger, less compassionate person. I thought how selfish it was, leaving behind your loved ones to ask and try to answer all the questions. That it was the coward's way out, for people who were weak, for quitters. What I've realized, is that we shouldn't focus so much on the fact that people like Amanda took their own lives, but instead we should be talking about is what happened that made her feel as if she had to commit suicide. What happened to her that lead her to make such a drastic decision?

Unless someone has experienced serious bullying, and I mean severe bullying for a prolonged number of years, and has suffered from real depression, I will again say that it's very difficult to understand and to empathize with someone who has. There are just some things that people have a very hard time understanding if they've never walked a mile in the shoes of someone who has.

And thus, like I said earlier, it's important to try and change people's minds about that. It's important that people begin talking about it, and it's important that we acknowledge that there needs to be something done. And in the end, that's why Amanda Todd and her story are important.
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 11:52 AM

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 01:38 PM

Is it really normal for a girl in grade seven to do a several minute strip tease on the computer? The media keeps saying it was a innocent common little mistake, but it was apparently more then flashing boobs. That hardly sounds like a little innocent half second mistake the media is trying to make it sound like. you don't go from being a normal kid to saying oh here's a strip tease oh back to normal oh my god leave me alone. I guess only she and the kids who bullied her know the real story, they are still being so mean to her, makes me think she was really a bad kid, or the kids have to keep thinking of her a bad person so they can live with themselves for what they did. Things seldom are how they appear,its just sad to see how the world is reacting on all this ,exactly how bullies are, reacting on gossip.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 01:53 PM

She was young so I can sympathize a bit with her. However, if she were older, I don't think I would be able to.


I swear, whenever this topic comes up there are always judgemental types who fancy themselves experts on suicide as if they knew what was going on in the daily lives and minds of the victims.

Rick Rypien's case is much different than Amanda Todd's. And to be honest, I don't know the specifics on Rick Rypien's case, but I imagine they aren't anything like Amanda Todd's, so that is about as far as I will go with that paragraph.


Seriously man, all you need to do is apply what youre saying about Rick Rypien to Amanda Todd and any other suicide victim. You have no idea what these people went through. Leave it at that.
 
 
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 02:03 PM

Is it really normal for a girl in grade seven to do a several minute strip tease on the computer? The media keeps saying it was a innocent common little mistake, but it was apparently more then flashing boobs. That hardly sounds like a little innocent half second mistake the media is trying to make it sound like. you don't go from being a normal kid to saying oh here's a strip tease oh back to normal oh my god leave me alone. I guess only she and the kids who bullied her know the real story, they are still being so mean to her, makes me think she was really a bad kid, or the kids have to keep thinking of her a bad person so they can live with themselves for what they did. Things seldom are how they appear,its just sad to see how the world is reacting on all this ,exactly how bullies are, reacting on gossip.


And you know exactly what happened?

I don't know if you're trolling or you're actually this insensitive and stupid.
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 02:16 PM

Is it really normal for a girl in grade seven to do a several minute strip tease on the computer? The media keeps saying it was a innocent common little mistake, but it was apparently more then flashing boobs. That hardly sounds like a little innocent half second mistake the media is trying to make it sound like. you don't go from being a normal kid to saying oh here's a strip tease oh back to normal oh my god leave me alone. I guess only she and the kids who bullied her know the real story, they are still being so mean to her, makes me think she was really a bad kid, or the kids have to keep thinking of her a bad person so they can live with themselves for what they did. Things seldom are how they appear,its just sad to see how the world is reacting on all this ,exactly how bullies are, reacting on gossip.

Watch the video where she tells her story.

She flashed a random guy and he stalked her and threatened her telling her to do more or he would send the pics to her family and friends...

That's all I'm going to say...you're comment just irks me.
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 02:35 PM

And you know exactly what happened?

I don't know if you're trolling or you're actually this insensitive and stupid.


at what point did i say i know exactly what happened? learn how to read

i even said in my comment only her and the other kids involved will ever know the real story and everything that really happened
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 02:49 PM

Watch the video where she tells her story.

She flashed a random guy and he stalked her and threatened her telling her to do more or he would send the pics to her family and friends...

That's all I'm going to say...you're comment just irks me.


exactly, her story

there's 2 sides to every story
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 02:55 PM

exactly, her story

there's 2 sides to every story


Unless you are Mitt the Mannequin, and then there are multiple stories and none of em true ..
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 02:55 PM

I probably sound horrible for saying this, but why does everyone care so much? I mean, people kill themselves because of bullying every day, and nobody gives a **** about them. Is it just because she made a Youtube video or is there some other reason? Personally i think that people are going to far by calling her an "angel" and a "saint" because she clearly wasn't. She showed her body and slept with guys when she was 15. What i am saying is, why don't we react like this every time a kid kills himself because of bullying? Why the big reaction for this one case? Just my opinion.


Just the way the media works. Every so often when an attractive (usually white) young person dies or goes missing, the world stops for a few minutes so people can tell their own stories and say "that sucks," before something even more shocking captures their attention.

Todd's death won't change the way young people act, but hopefully it'll spur some new legal approaches to bullying. Who knows!

In the meantime, do you have a story about bullying you'd like to share?
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