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Condos are stifling Vancouver's entertainment districts; Rogers Arena will have less concerts with rental condos


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#1 nitronuts

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 11:46 AM

New Condos at BC Place, Rogers Arena Kill False Creek Entertainment District

The recent controversy and firestorm with the Waldorf Hotel’s closure for redevelopment into condos is perhaps evident of a city reaching a breaking point over its dwindling cultural and entertainment venues. There is no doubt the core of Vancouver’s entertainment district lies in and around the Downtown peninsula, and it is no secret either that rampant condo development in the city centre has severely hampered the ability of entertainment-based businesses and zones to flourish. This now impacts Vancouver’s premier entertainment venues, BC Place and Rogers Arena, as well as the False Creek entertainment district that had originally been envisioned for the stadium precinct...


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Instead of a commercial/office-only (entertainment-zone friendly) development, a multi-tower residential component has now been added to the Aquilini Group’s development vision for Rogers Arena. Vancouver City Council has approved 3 mixed-use towers, with office/commercial usages slated for the lower floors and residential rental units in the top floors. In total, 614 rental condo units will be built in the three towers wedged between Rogers Arena, the Dunsmuir/Georgia Viaducts, and Expo and Pacific Boulevards. Construction has already begun on the North Tower, which will utilize the first five floors of the building for an much-needed expansion of the cramped Rogers Arena concourse and in-arena food services. The remaining 17 floors will be residential.


What is troubling about this project, which now includes a very dominant residential component, is its impact on events at Rogers Arena. The Aquilini Group has openly admitted there will be less concerts and events at Rogers Arena in order to appease the arena’s future residents. According to Aquilini Development president David Negrin, an arrangement has been made “to ensure that the company doesn’t put on too many events at the arena that would disturb the nearby tenants. ‘We will lose some concerts, we know that. But we need to rent the places (condo units). It is in our best interests to control [the noise].’”



Read the rest of the article (with many illuminating photos and diagrams) and the comments here: http://www.vancitybu....ment-district/

Edited by nitronuts, 27 January 2013 - 11:52 AM.

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 11:49 AM

People need places to live. Meanwhile there's a lot of crap on the east side that can be bulldozed and replaced.
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Posted 27 January 2013 - 11:57 AM

In addition, all cheering and yelling at rogers arena during hockey games is forbidden. We wont have a problem with that though :)
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Posted 27 January 2013 - 12:37 PM

It's shocking how much the city's once very respectable entertainment and nightlife venues have disappeared, this has gone from what was once one of the more edgy and happening cities on the West Coast to the No Fun City tomb it is today.

An overgrowth of condos and boutique businesses is part of it, but I think it owes more to having so many recent immigrants who largely aren't interested in the same type of entertainment, and especially in the fact that the city seems to have aged in entertainment tastes along with the Boomers.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 05:32 PM

I recently had a work part at the Biltmore, and right across the street from the doors to the bar there are condo's that are just being finished. You just know that people are going to move in there, and then bitch about the noise, even though the bar has been there for decades!
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 05:40 PM

So a bunch of NIMBYs are going to move into an area they have full knowledge is going to produce noise, and then proceed to complain about the noise....

Don't see why the city can't just continue residential construction in the False Creek area and actually follow through on its plan for the "Entertainment District". The current entertainment area of Granville Street is a hole.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 06:47 PM

Well it's sad to see the Waldorf go and perhaps gentrification in the city has run a little rampant. However i don't necessarily see density as a bad thing.

As for having less concerts in Rogers Arena and BC Place, I could really care less, I avoid seeing shows at these venues like the plague, tickets are usually way overpriced and the though the sound is decent, the sheer sizer of a stadium concert leaves something lacking in terms of atmosphere. I would much rather see a show at any of the smaller venues in the city.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 08:31 PM

it's sad that we can't have an entertainment district near the arena, something like they have in LA when that was supposedly what was planned for that area. Instead it's going to be condos and IDIOTS who move next to 2 sporting/events arena's that will complain about the noise.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 10:10 PM

Welcome to No Fun City!! I wonder when they will discontinue with the annual summer fireworks?
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 02:09 AM

Evict the 90 year olds. Ship them all off to Parksville.
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 02:12 AM

So a bunch of NIMBYs are going to move into an area they have full knowledge is going to produce noise, and then proceed to complain about the noise....


Johnny-come-lately NIMBY's are a bunch of douchebags with an overinflated sense of entitlement. They got an SPCA shelter pushed out of this area when a residential neighbourhood was built around it because the dogs in it were barking too much.
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 03:31 AM

I recently had a work part at the Biltmore, and right across the street from the doors to the bar there are condo's that are just being finished. You just know that people are going to move in there, and then bitch about the noise, even though the bar has been there for decades!


The building/bar may have been there for decades, but the decent concerts only started a few years ago. Up til then it was the friendly neighborhood cold beer&wine you shuffled into nervously, slid your money under a bullet proof window, and took your beer while hoping you wouldn't get stabbed by the lowlifes shuffling around outside.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 09:01 AM

Johnny-come-lately NIMBY's are a bunch of douchebags with an overinflated sense of entitlement. They got an SPCA shelter pushed out of this area when a residential neighbourhood was built around it because the dogs in it were barking too much.


In many cases you'll have folks intentionally buying into an area where there's an "earsore", knowing they can then exploit legal means push the source of noise out and reap the benefits of increased property value.

It's always funny to me though how noise could be such an issue in a city that's so comparatively loud though. IMO that excess background noise is one of the things that contributes to the No Fun City feel, since its hard to socialize when your conversation gets drowned out.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 10:06 AM

Well it's sad to see the Waldorf go and perhaps gentrification in the city has run a little rampant. However i don't necessarily see density as a bad thing.

As for having less concerts in Rogers Arena and BC Place, I could really care less, I avoid seeing shows at these venues like the plague, tickets are usually way overpriced and the though the sound is decent, the sheer sizer of a stadium concert leaves something lacking in terms of atmosphere. I would much rather see a show at any of the smaller venues in the city.



The reason the shows are expensive is due to low supply. Have fewer shows at Rogers and BC Place, and you have even less supply. This is only going to make the ticket prices go up.

I'm all for high density as well. It has a lot of benefits: cheaper housing prices, less traffic, less strain on natural resources, etc... However, the original plan to have an entertainment district made a lot of sense.
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 10:06 AM

The building/bar may have been there for decades, but the decent concerts only started a few years ago. Up til then it was the friendly neighborhood cold beer&wine you shuffled into nervously, slid your money under a bullet proof window, and took your beer while hoping you wouldn't get stabbed by the lowlifes shuffling around outside.


Yup. Exactly the same thing with the Waldorf. I'd been going to the Waldorf for many years back when they would have sketchy Carribean nights and noone gave a crap about it. In 2010 it was renovated, started serving PBR, and became hipster Nirvana. Now all of a sudden I couldn't get in the door on a Friday night.

The owners of the Waldorf signed a short-term lease, because they knew they were taking a risk with the bar, as it had never been profitable in the past. The lease runs out, the owners decide to sell the property to developers. The Hipsters are in a rage over the removal of an "historic" building.
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 10:22 AM

Well isn't that neat :lol:

I wonder how long until Mayor Watts unveils Surrey's plans for a big, new entertainment district...?

Edited by J.R., 30 January 2013 - 10:23 AM.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 12:22 PM

Here's an idea for the Aquilinis.

How about putting forth some of the proceeds from the condo sales towards structural upgrades to Rogers Arena to make it more soundproof? Or does Francesco need every bit of it for his divorce?
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