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#91 Mr. Ramsay

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 12:31 PM

You wanna know why? Because Keith is a feline who can't stand up for his actions.
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Posted 11 February 2013 - 12:48 PM

Keith's too fast for them to catch.When he doesn't want to get hit he doesn't get hit.They would be better off all hitting Seabrook.
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Posted 11 February 2013 - 12:57 PM

The time for retribution would have been immediately after the cowardly play by Keith, but what happened? All the canucks kept there distance and did sweet frack all. This team is the same as then. Ya we have a few more fighting majors this year but I don't see tham as being any more tougher or grittier. Wait til the playoffs and you are going to see the same old same old.

Burkie was wrong, Sedin is in fact Swedish for "Punch me in the face"

Keith is gutless jelly fish but that doesn't change the facts about the canucks. Kassian helps but we are still missing Mr Big Nasty Ugly on D and a tough guy up front.
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Posted 11 February 2013 - 01:31 PM

What is so hard about that? Canucks need a pack mentality and attack Chicago as a five man unit so that there is no room for players like Kane and Keith to hide.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 01:32 PM

Keith's too fast for them to catch.When he doesn't want to get hit he doesn't get hit.They would be better off all hitting Seabrook.


Seabrook can fight.
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Posted 11 February 2013 - 02:19 PM

I'm going to agree with the OP....to a point.

It has long been a burr under my saddle (no pun intended ;)) that the Canucks do not employ a true heavyweight. I'm not saying that you'd need a real enforcer to face Keith, but you would to face the inevitable intervention of Mayers. As it sits right now, the Canucks don't have anyone who can go with JM.

Volpatti looked good in one fight last year (the one-punch of Winchester) but hasn't impressed me much since. Dale Weise got beat up by Nick Foligno of all people....

As it sits right now, Juice and Kass are the best bets on the team for scraps and both are too valuable to sit down for five (or seven plus) minutes.

I thought maybe that Vandermeer was going to be that guy, but I don't see an opening for him right now on the Canucks' D. Maybe against certain teams he can slot in as a 4th line forward?

BTW: I did see Kass give Keith the old stink eye a few times, but DK (wisely) avoided any eye contact...
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Posted 11 February 2013 - 02:20 PM

Canucks are being smart.
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Posted 11 February 2013 - 02:33 PM

The difference is raffi will fight Keith won't, you can't make someone fight. We had players trying to take runs at him (not dirty ones). You can't ask for more.
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Posted 11 February 2013 - 02:40 PM

What is so hard about that? Canucks need a pack mentality and attack Chicago as a five man unit so that there is no room for players like Kane and Keith to hide.

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So in your world does anyone ever play hockey or do they just fight? I think you should try MMA.


Yes guys like Henrik and Daniel can continue to play hockey.

In the example that I described, All the players I mentioned are capable of fighting and thats why I said it.

Did I write down a line of Raymond, Shroeder and Sedin with a D pairing of Hamhuis and Edler?

I'm just saying if a good old fashioned line brawl occurred there'd be no place for Keith to hide as everyone would be preoccupied with someone else.
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Posted 11 February 2013 - 02:48 PM

Keith wont fight, but we should have a guy like a Volpatti running around and try to take their stars (Kane, Teows etc) out with some kind of cheap shots or something.

Doesn't matter if Keith fights; one of our guys needs to drop his gloves and make Steve Moore feel lucky he got off easy.

What's wrong with you guys? Perhaps you should be watching UFC instead.
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Posted 11 February 2013 - 03:01 PM

What's wrong with you guys? Perhaps you should be watching UFC instead.


I think a lot of us are getting tired of turning the other cheek because what good has that done us?

Yes its a little barbaric to call for another players head but hockey is a contact sport and the only sport that "allows" fighting in the game.

So why not use that to our advantage instead of getting cheap-shotted all the time?

If a team understands that they are opening pandora's box by taking a cheap shot at our stars which subjects their own stars to danger, I have a good feeling that you wont see things like Marchand punching Sedin in the face multiple times, Marchand taking out Salo, with a lowbridge, Keith elbowing Sedin in the head and knocking him out for the season.

I don't know if you guys who sit there and whine about 2 points watch enough hockey to realize that Vancouver is the only team that has had so many illegal cheap shots happen to their star players.

Cheap shots happen from time to time but we usually see it happen against 3rd and 4th liners. We are constantly having it happen to the Sedins because nobody does anything to make the opposition think else wise.

My question is, what is wrong with you guys who just sit there idly and watch this happen time after time without thinking something must change?

The 2 Presidents trophies feel great doesn't it? Who needs the Cup when we can be regular season champions?
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Posted 11 February 2013 - 03:16 PM

The Canucks are a much tougher team this year with Kassian's emergence and Volpatti. I doubt it'd happen again.
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Posted 11 February 2013 - 03:53 PM

Doesn't matter if Keith fights; one of our guys needs to drop his gloves and make Steve Moore feel lucky he got off easy.

well if you find a fourthliner that is willing to pay 52-80 mill or so which he is going to be sued for ending his career by attacking him go for it.
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Posted 11 February 2013 - 07:52 PM

He wouldn't have. He's not Torres who knows he has to pay up for his actions and will. Keith is an all star, and will be protected and moved away from the fight,
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Posted 11 February 2013 - 09:59 PM

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I disagree on many levels.

It's not smart to let your key players take cheap shots.

I've played team sports all my life and you treat the team like a family and if someone takes a run at one of your guys, especially one of your good guys, you let the other team know that's not acceptable.

And you know who appreciates it the most? The guy you're sticking up for.

It doesn't even matter if you lose the fight. Its the point that you're sending a message out to others saying that if you're going to do that, there will be repercussions, so you'd better think twice next time.

I know he'd never say anything bad, but do you think Sedin likes the fact that nobody cared enough about what happened to at least go over and fight Keith? I don't care if Keith doesn't want to fight. Start throwing punches and watch him turtle and make him look like a coward then.

I'll never forget a 1993 playoff game between LA and Toronto. McSorley lays out Gilmour, TO's star at at the time, and Wendel Clark doesn't have to think twice, he drops the gloves skates over from the other wing and punches him in the face. McSorley is a bigger stronger guy than Clark but he had a nice black eye for the rest of the playoffs and didn't hit Gilmour again that series.
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Posted 11 February 2013 - 11:09 PM

I disagree on many levels.

It's not smart to let your key players take cheap shots.

I've played team sports all my life and you treat the team like a family and if someone takes a run at one of your guys, especially one of your good guys, you let the other team know that's not acceptable.

And you know who appreciates it the most? The guy you're sticking up for.

It doesn't even matter if you lose the fight. Its the point that you're sending a message out to others saying that if you're going to do that, there will be repercussions, so you'd better think twice next time.

I know he'd never say anything bad, but do you think Sedin likes the fact that nobody cared enough about what happened to at least go over and fight Keith? I don't care if Keith doesn't want to fight. Start throwing punches and watch him turtle and make him look like a coward then.

I'll never forget a 1993 playoff game between LA and Toronto. McSorley lays out Gilmour, TO's star at at the time, and Wendel Clark doesn't have to think twice, he drops the gloves skates over from the other wing and punches him in the face. McSorley is a bigger stronger guy than Clark but he had a nice black eye for the rest of the playoffs and didn't hit Gilmour again that series.


I like your style bro.

How about another example that hits closer to home.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLIDCLKfTq8

Anderson spears Bure in the previous game. He then pokes at the puck after the whistle
Watch the ruckus that is Gino Odjick

You think St Louis effed with the Canucks after that?

While Gino makes the rest of St Louis pay for Anderson's transgressions, Linden pummels Anderson as he has no where to hide and cuts him

Now thats what I'm talking about.

Edited by CanucksJay, 11 February 2013 - 11:58 PM.

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 12:42 AM

I disagree on many levels.

It's not smart to let your key players take cheap shots.

I've played team sports all my life and you treat the team like a family and if someone takes a run at one of your guys, especially one of your good guys, you let the other team know that's not acceptable.

And you know who appreciates it the most? The guy you're sticking up for.

It doesn't even matter if you lose the fight. Its the point that you're sending a message out to others saying that if you're going to do that, there will be repercussions, so you'd better think twice next time.

I know he'd never say anything bad, but do you think Sedin likes the fact that nobody cared enough about what happened to at least go over and fight Keith? I don't care if Keith doesn't want to fight. Start throwing punches and watch him turtle and make him look like a coward then.

I'll never forget a 1993 playoff game between LA and Toronto. McSorley lays out Gilmour, TO's star at at the time, and Wendel Clark doesn't have to think twice, he drops the gloves skates over from the other wing and punches him in the face. McSorley is a bigger stronger guy than Clark but he had a nice black eye for the rest of the playoffs and didn't hit Gilmour again that series.


Couldn't have said it better myself. I don't think a lot of fans actually understand what fighting means in this sport.
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Posted 12 February 2013 - 03:51 AM

And the coach, the GM, and the star players fractured into different directions where nobody trusted each other.

Then the core of the team fell apart with once passionate players becoming apathetic, the coach was fired, the team was sold and the GM handed his walking papers; with it taking 5 more years to recover the place the West Coast Express was taking us.

But I'd have settled for a little beotch slap! :bigblush:

No one has been messing with them so far this season. And I am glad we didn't go chasing Keith around the rink looking for retribution....last time that happened a guy got his neck broken and our top power forward was suspended for the rest of the season.


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Posted 12 February 2013 - 05:58 AM

It's about being smart. I think our team is smart enough to make sure nobody got suspended. When you bring up one of our players injuring their hand on Keiths skull, would you not rather have it on Keiths skull then the other no namers Weise or Volpatti have fought this season? Also I don't think there would be a suspension over 1 fight. Yes Keith did avoid getting beat up or getting hit because it was rarely happening... it is pretty easy to avoid a fight when no one is starting a fight with you. Again, this is not just about getting those 2 points, these two teams have a heated rivalry and retribution for injuring one of our stars goes a long way. We've all seen what the hawks can do, they can come back from a 3-0 series and destroy us in 3 straight games only to take us to game 7 over time. I want to put as much fear as possible into the hawks because it really seems like they are not scared of us at all.. why? because we havent given them a reason to. So what now? Sedins have to watch for cheap head shots/ elbows and the hawks dont have to worry about getting hit they can just play their hockey which I should add is dangerously good.


1 - Keith isn't going to fight for the sake of making you happy. So whoever fights him is going to get 2, 5, and a game misconduct for instigating. Giving Chicago a golden opportunity to score and us having to double shift somebody because we're a man short for the rest of the game.

2 - Where does retribution end? Keiths elbow was retribution for an earlier hit from Daniel. If we beat the crap out of Keith (a star in his own right) does Chicago now need retribution?

3 - This is the NHL, not peewee. Fighting somebody is not going to "instill fear" into another team. Every team has their tough guys willing to drop the gloves. It's simply a fallacy fighting somebody will instill fear. Honestly, has fighting Torres caused him to stop throwing questionable hits? Nope. So much for intimidation.

4 - The only thing that will make Chicago "fear us" is beating them repeatedly on the scoreboard. Then they'll be afraid of us.
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Posted 12 February 2013 - 07:23 AM

You wanna know why? Because Keith is a feline who can't stand up for his actions.


Actually Keith was standing up for himself. His elbow was retribution for an earlier Sedin hit he felt was illegal.

People seem to ignore that part here though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3r9769DFOQ


So when does this mystically necessary retribution end? Keith gets retribution on Sedin, we get retribution on Keith, then Chicago needs retribution for that player, then we need retribution on him, and so on and so on and so on.....
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Posted 12 February 2013 - 12:19 PM

And the coach, the GM, and the star players fractured into different directions where nobody trusted each other.

Then the core of the team fell apart with once passionate players becoming apathetic, the coach was fired, the team was sold and the GM handed his walking papers; with it taking 5 more years to recover the place the West Coast Express was taking us.

But I'd have settled for a little beotch slap! :bigblush:


Yes because that's exactly what would happen. History will always repeat itself like how the Sedins always get cheapshotted?
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Posted 12 February 2013 - 01:02 PM

1 - Keith isn't going to fight for the sake of making you happy. So whoever fights him is going to get 2, 5, and a game misconduct for instigating. Giving Chicago a golden opportunity to score and us having to double shift somebody because we're a man short for the rest of the game.


If you read the thread, most of us don't care about the results of a single regular season game because regardless, we are a playoff team that can run with the best.

2 - Where does retribution end? Keiths elbow was retribution for an earlier hit from Daniel. If we beat the crap out of Keith (a star in his own right) does Chicago now need retribution?

That's a risk but whats the difference when they are already taking liberties on our stars anyway?
It's not like we are doing anything now that protects our stars.

Think about it, we even have goons like Eager (not even another star) taking runs at the Sedins from behind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHrhRrwmg_0


3 - This is the NHL, not peewee. Fighting somebody is not going to "instill fear" into another team. Every team has their tough guys willing to drop the gloves. It's simply a fallacy fighting somebody will instill fear. Honestly, has fighting Torres caused him to stop throwing questionable hits? Nope. So much for intimidation.


I love how your statements seem so factual when you have no idea what you are talking about. I've had the privilege of watching the game from some great seats and have watched how the players interact with each other on the ice.

I've seen how when a game starts getting chippy, a coach used an enforcer and throws him over the boards after the whistle. While skating to the faceoff, he would bump a couple of the opposing players en route and pretty much challenge them to "do something". You can then actually see that the other player has absolutely no interest in fighting and the chippyness of the game stops.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxIjeot12j8

I've seen how Bollig kicked the crap out of Jackman and saw that Calgary decided to stop trying to play like tough guys and stick to just playing a finesse game (oxymoron) Calgary currently has Jackman as their tough guy which meant once Bollig kicked the crap out of him, absolutely no one on the Flames team wanted to be involved in a fight. The clip of the Flames players wrapping their sticks against the board for Jackman might make a viewer at home like you think the Flames are unfazed or undaunted but when you are up close to the action, you can tell that the fight was a statement and it changed the way the Flames played for the remainder of the game. They stopped trying to take runs at the Hawks players and stuck to just playing hockey

You think teams like that will all of a sudden decide to take a cheap shot at the other team's star?


4 - The only thing that will make Chicago "fear us" is beating them repeatedly on the scoreboard. Then they'll be afraid of us.


Again I love your little facts.
I'm sure they "fear" losing a regular season game when there really isn't much on the line. They might be angry about losing but I think fear is the wrong word.

March 21 2012- Sedin gets smoked in the head, Canucks lose 2-1 in OT
Feb 1st 2013- Canucks win 2-1 in OT

Yeah I'm sure they fear us lol

Edited by CanucksJay, 12 February 2013 - 01:11 PM.

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 01:30 PM

This team doesn't need chippy play and retribution games.

What is this team built on? It's not grinding physical play. It's speed and finesse passing, if the team sticks to their MO no one is going to go looking for retribution, I mean the Sedin's are smart players and it would require a cheap shot to take them out, look how far out of his way Keith had to go to get one.

AFAIC this team should stick to the scoreboard and nothing else, they don't need pointless injuries and games where the players should be looking over their shoulders, that does nothing to help their game.

I know this is not the same kind of Canucks team I grew up loving in the late 80s early 90s that didn't take crap from anyone and we were that era's Boston Bruins, but at the same time I realize this team has to play to it's strengths and it doesn't include unnecessary physical play.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 01:47 PM

If you read the thread, most of us don't care about the results of a single regular season game because regardless, we are a playoff team that can run with the best.


That's a risk but whats the difference when they are already taking liberties on our stars anyway?
It's not like we are doing anything now that protects our stars.

Think about it, we even have goons like Eager (not even another star) taking runs at the Sedins from behind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHrhRrwmg_0




I love how your statements seem so factual when you have no idea what you are talking about. I've had the privilege of watching the game from some great seats and have watched how the players interact with each other on the ice.

I've seen how when a game starts getting chippy, a coach used an enforcer and throws him over the boards after the whistle. While skating to the faceoff, he would bump a couple of the opposing players en route and pretty much challenge them to "do something". You can then actually see that the other player has absolutely no interest in fighting and the chippyness of the game stops.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxIjeot12j8

I've seen how Bollig kicked the crap out of Jackman and saw that Calgary decided to stop trying to play like tough guys and stick to just playing a finesse game (oxymoron) Calgary currently has Jackman as their tough guy which meant once Bollig kicked the crap out of him, absolutely no one on the Flames team wanted to be involved in a fight. The clip of the Flames players wrapping their sticks against the board for Jackman might make a viewer at home like you think the Flames are unfazed or undaunted but when you are up close to the action, you can tell that the fight was a statement and it changed the way the Flames played for the remainder of the game. They stopped trying to take runs at the Hawks players and stuck to just playing hockey

You think teams like that will all of a sudden decide to take a cheap shot at the other team's star?




Again I love your little facts.
I'm sure they "fear" losing a regular season game when there really isn't much on the line. They might be angry about losing but I think fear is the wrong word.

March 21 2012- Sedin gets smoked in the head, Canucks lose 2-1 in OT
Feb 1st 2013- Canucks win 2-1 in OT

Yeah I'm sure they fear us lol


I've played the game. A guy fighting me didn't stop me from throwing my hits. A guy bumping me? Big freakin' deal. Again I'll ask...has fighting Torres stopped him from playing his questionable game? I say not at all. You're deluded if you think it ever will.


Btw, I did say beat them "repeatedly" didn't I? Which we haven't. Unless we do they have no reason to fear us. Getting into a fight won't make them fear us at all. Particularly if they win the game in the process. That just tells them they can throw us off our game and get us taking stupid penalties. Great game plan.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 02:04 PM

What was the score after Eager took a run at Sedin?
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 03:44 PM

The Wild employed the "bully Sedins" ploy last night and it worked.....more or less. Danny whiffed on a couple of A-1 chances.

I will say however, that I was proud of Lappy for going after Falk on the late hit to Daniel, especially consider that it was from behind. I wasn't at all surprised that Max received the only penalty, since neither Hebert nor Rooney seemed to have any idea what they were doing all night.

In absence of an enforcer, teams need that gang mentality, where everyone sticks up for everyone. Max was the man last night and I was completely okay with his taking the penalty, even if it had turned out that it cost the Canucks the lead...
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 04:06 PM

The Wild employed the "bully Sedins" ploy last night and it worked.....more or less. Danny whiffed on a couple of A-1 chances.

I will say however, that I was proud of Lappy for going after Falk on the late hit to Daniel, especially consider that it was from behind. I wasn't at all surprised that Max received the only penalty, since neither Hebert nor Rooney seemed to have any idea what they were doing all night.

In absence of an enforcer, teams need that gang mentality, where everyone sticks up for everyone. Max was the man last night and I was completely okay with his taking the penalty, even if it had turned out that it cost the Canucks the lead...


Fully agree. He has been asked to pick his spots. And he chose well this time, letting them know what was up.

His chirping (picked up by Ferraro's mic) about Spurgeon was priceless. He is actually not as harsh as Burr and Kes, interestingly enough.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 04:38 PM

I've played the game. A guy fighting me didn't stop me from throwing my hits. A guy bumping me? Big freakin' deal. Again I'll ask...has fighting Torres stopped him from playing his questionable game? I say not at all. You're deluded if you think it ever will.


Btw, I did say beat them "repeatedly" didn't I? Which we haven't. Unless we do they have no reason to fear us. Getting into a fight won't make them fear us at all. Particularly if they win the game in the process. That just tells them they can throw us off our game and get us taking stupid penalties. Great game plan.


Deluded?
I wrote my observation based on what happened on the ice at a pro level, not some peewee game that nobody is interested in. Your comment that fights and bumps never affected you really has no bearing on anything because you are not a pro who is subject to scrutiny. Players may say that they are not scared but that's a load of crock. Everybody has fear.

You think Boogard and Rypien had mental health issues because everything was rosy and peachy?
It's the anxiety of knowing who you are going to have to fight and then getting out there on the biggest stage of the world and doing it. Moreover, your performance is judged and scrutinzed by the world/fans and if you are "suppose" to be a tough guy, your team may no longer decide to employ you if you don't do well...


Repeatedly beat Chicago???

Do you expect to go 10-0 against the Hawks?

News flash, with the parity in the NHL, that will never happen unless the Blackhawks decide to rebuild for some unknown reason so to go further, I guess what you mean to say then is, let Sedin take a cheap shot and do nothing because the only way to take revenge is by beating them repeatedly (which is not possible)
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 04:48 PM

The Wild employed the "bully Sedins" ploy last night and it worked.....more or less. Danny whiffed on a couple of A-1 chances.

I will say however, that I was proud of Lappy for going after Falk on the late hit to Daniel, especially consider that it was from behind. I wasn't at all surprised that Max received the only penalty, since neither Hebert nor Rooney seemed to have any idea what they were doing all night.

In absence of an enforcer, teams need that gang mentality, where everyone sticks up for everyone. Max was the man last night and I was completely okay with his taking the penalty, even if it had turned out that it cost the Canucks the lead...


I commented about this on another thread but I'll repeat. Lappy was great.
At one point Lappy was yelling at the Minnesota bench and you can hear some random words through Ray Ferraro's mic. I heard him say Spurgeon and was curious as to what he was saying. Thankfully Ray provided some context and said that Lappy called out the Minnesota bench and started naming names like Spurgeon and Parise and told Minnesota those guys are next if Konopka keeps taking runs.

We see Konopka play with less intensity afterwards

So for the people that say intimidation doesn't work in the NHL, why would Lappy do this? Is he just not as smart as you guys watching hockey on your couch?

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 10:44 PM

Cooke inadvertently hurts Karlsson
Neil exacts revenge



wait...who am I?

But but but... Cooke didn't want to fight. What can you do if the other guy refuses to drop his gloves???

Karlsson's injury was a complete accident folks.

Keith on the other hand deliberately changed his angle on the play to elbow Sedin in the head..

But yeah, you guys are right, Keith isnt going to fight, lets just beat him on the scoreboard.
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