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#241 oldnews

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 10:55 PM

Let's go with your prediction and say Hodgson is on track for -150 for his career. Possible, but he'll have over 700 points.

By Kassian's rate, he'll have around 100 points in his entire career and be around -50.

Yeah...I think any intelligent person knows who to choose. Hodgson is already well on his way to developing into a great player. Kassian is light years behind him. If Kassian does develop into a useful player, by that time the Sedins may already be gone and we'll be in a slight rebuild phase whereas Hodgson could have helped us throughout the years, particularly in the regular season.


This is literally the deadest horse that CDC has ever seen.
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Posted 20 April 2013 - 11:12 PM

This is literally the deadest horse that CDC has ever seen.


"Burrows do we really want him" thread says hi
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Posted 20 April 2013 - 11:12 PM

I kind of have to laugh at those that are always complaining about the timing of the trade. It's like children wanting instant gratification and can't wait until after dinner for ice cream. Cody wanted a trade, he got traded for another player. I'm sure Gillis was thinking more about he future than going all in at that time, just like he's not hell bent on winning this year either. He has the responsiblity to keep this business moving forward year after year. People think you can just decide to win a cup, or not. :)

He tells all the kids that the trade was made to make us better at the time last year. Well that's just a bold faced lie that anyone with a bit of life experience can see. But everyone treats it as gospel and cries about it every time this subject comes up. Cry me a river. I agree eventually he may have to go all in but the shortsightness of some of the people here is stunning.


So you think Gillis was not "hell bent" on winning last year, or even this year? While the Sedins, Kesler, Burrows, are in their prime + having two top goaltenders? I would hope the GM is more competitive than that. So you contend he traded Hodgson at the time because....meh....he didn't think we'd go far that year anyways? ok, wow, that's a real good reason to trade away your third leading scorer, so he can prove himself right I guess.

The timing was everything. I also like Kassian. I'm glad we have him. We have needed a player like him (or more precisely what he will become) for a long time, ever since big Bert left. Someone big with good hands, who can stir the pot. But we needed Cody a hundred times more than a green Bert-in-waiting going into last year for the playoffs. Just because a players father nags you on the phone every day, is not a reason to throw away such a valuable piece.

"Cody wanted a trade, he got traded for another player" For one thing this has never been confirmed, but even so, its not his call. But if he had stayed until Summer, do you not think he would've have given 100% for Vancouver in last years playoffs and pouted instead? A player who captained his junior team, voted smartest by OHL coaches, and was runner up to MVP in the Word Juniors. Someone whom the word "character" was the first one that always came up with hockey analysts like Bob McKenzie?

Kassian is not awful. He's just young and inexperienced. The timing of the trade that got him here was AWFUL though.
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Posted 20 April 2013 - 11:21 PM

"Burrows do we really want him" thread says hi


A couple hundred tedious Hodgson trade threads say hi back.
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Posted 20 April 2013 - 11:27 PM

Hodgson was always the better player. Its never even been a question anywhere but in post-trade Vancouver. The ONLY reason that CoHo is not still on this team is that he was either complaining too much about ice time or more likely he was flat out asking for a trade. The motivation for trading him had absolutely nothing to do with Kassian. Kass was just the best thing that Gillis could pry away from a rival GM after it had become clear that Hodgon's relationship with the Canucks was not going to be salvaged.
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Posted 20 April 2013 - 11:58 PM

I saw a few good, clean hits tonight against Detroit and none of them were by Kassian, our supposed physical presence.

Pinozotto has one

Edler had a great one on Franzen I believe!

Weise had one (on Datsyuk)

Kesler had one (on Datsyuk again)

That's what you have to do to good players like Datsyuk, unless you're more skilled than him and basically nobody on the Canucks is.

All I saw Kassian do was get poke-checked at the Detroit line...Sigh. Pathetic. Doesn't even try to throw a hit. Oh and he was on the second line tonight, 13:19 TOI and did nothing. So what's his excuse this game? He was playing with Kes and MayRay....
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 12:10 AM

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 12:50 AM

Kass floated tonite...getting used to see him get a free pass...Raymond not quite on his game but oddly enough is stronger on the puck than Kass..I'm sure we have young guys to let have a shot to contribute other than Kassian.Ebbett made up for his lack of size tonite with hussle,whether he can keep that up will remain to be seen...the 4th line was effective at times providing much needed energy.
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 01:17 AM

You nailed that one, I wasn't being serious.

But on the serious side, the way zack is playing now the thought of him playing a full season scares the hell out of me. I wouldn't mind seeing a full season of Schroeder... Well because he actually looks good. ;)


So does Zack people just have to realize that their expectations don't mean anything when they judge him.

Schroeder looked so much better after the first time he was sent down. He slowed up a little but I don't think he deserved to get sent down the second time. First time absolutely because he was doing nothing. on any line save for a game or two where he looked good at both ends.
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 01:23 AM

Note: bertuzzi was 25 when he cracked 40 points for the first time

People develop at their own pace


Todd had 39 in his rookie season.

Todd also looked a lot better offensively that Kassian does right now or ever has.

Zack is developing incredibly slow... he's either a late bloomer or a bust.
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 01:47 AM

Zack is developing incredibly slow... he's either a late bloomer or a bust.


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Please share with us your vast knowledge of player development...

I would love to hear some examples of how a player struggling to find his game at 22 years old translates to them being a "late bloomer" or "a bust"

Enlighten us oh wise one. :lol:
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 04:10 AM

Just blame gillis and move onto the next thread everybody. :)
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 08:51 AM

I saw a few good, clean hits tonight against Detroit and none of them were by Kassian, our supposed physical presence.

Pinozotto has one

Edler had a great one on Franzen I believe!

Weise had one (on Datsyuk)

Kesler had one (on Datsyuk again)

That's what you have to do to good players like Datsyuk, unless you're more skilled than him and basically nobody on the Canucks is.

All I saw Kassian do was get poke-checked at the Detroit line...Sigh. Pathetic. Doesn't even try to throw a hit. Oh and he was on the second line tonight, 13:19 TOI and did nothing. So what's his excuse this game? He was playing with Kes and MayRay....


Since you decided to post this garbage in two threads, I'll post the same reply that I did in the post game thread.

Kassian was credited with 3 hits last night.The only comparables were Lappy/Wesie with 4 and Hansen/ Alberts with 3. When you looked up all those stats including Kassians TOI, you would have seen that there. Yes one hit was memorable, he stapled a Wing in front of the benches.

I am just going to assume the truth couldn't get through your hate filter...


Edited by TimberWolf, 21 April 2013 - 08:52 AM.

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 08:57 AM

Let's go with your prediction and say Hodgson is on track for -150 for his career. Possible, but he'll have over 700 points.

By Kassian's rate, he'll have around 100 points in his entire career and be around -50.

Yeah...I think any intelligent person knows who to choose. Hodgson is already well on his way to developing into a great player. Kassian is light years behind him. If Kassian does develop into a useful player, by that time the Sedins may already be gone and we'll be in a slight rebuild phase whereas Hodgson could have helped us throughout the years, particularly in the regular season.


The sad thing of it is (for Hodgson fans), is that Hodgson likely isn't going to get much better. This looks to be his ceiling. He will be a center who will get (on average) 40 - 50 points a season, but is a defensive liability, has variable success at faceoffs and has no substantial physical aspect to his game. Because of these liabilities, he will be a regular top-6 center only on teams which finish towards the bottom half of the League. This is something which you either do not understand, or to which you are turning a blind eye: points aren't everything.

(Insert "Last I checked you need goals to win a game" comment here. This is true, but if they score 3 for every 2 you score, how many games are you likely to win?)

I suspect that Hodgson will never be sought after as a top-6 center on one of the better teams in the NHL who are making a Cup run (unless they've had injury issues and he's a rental). This does not mean he won't be on a Cup team at some point in his career, but it does mean that I don't see him being the guy who can a team over the top.

On the other hand, Kassian is still developing. He looks like he still hasn't reached his ceiling (and yes, he might not ever get there), and he continues to take more steps forward than he does step back. Basing Kassian's future scoring ability on his current season's stats doesn't make a lot of sense, both because of him being a year younger in development than Hodgson and due to the differences in their positions and styles of play.

Kassian plays the game like Hodgson can't, and has been noted by others, he looks like he will be the type of guy which the team needs more than they did Hodgson.


You are correct, any intelligent person would know who to choose, and for the Canucks they went with the player who can do the "most" for this team over his career: Kassian.

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 09:01 AM

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Got any apple? I'm a bit of a traditionalist.

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 10:02 AM

Got any apple? I'm a bit of a traditionalist.

regards,
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sorry. strictly virtual/artificial.
this thread isn't worth the real thing.
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 10:09 AM

Sedin sisters are not 1st line players. Kesler is a 3rd line center at best. Burrows "do we really want him". Raymond sucks, Booth sucks, Luongo sucks, Edler sucks, trade Bieksa.

Now excuse me while I kick my dog and tell my kids they will never amount to anything!!
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 05:15 PM

The sad thing of it is (for Hodgson fans), is that Hodgson likely isn't going to get much better. This looks to be his ceiling. He will be a center who will get (on average) 40 - 50 points a season, but is a defensive liability, has variable success at faceoffs and has no substantial physical aspect to his game. Because of these liabilities, he will be a regular top-6 center only on teams which finish towards the bottom half of the League. This is something which you either do not understand, or to which you are turning a blind eye: points aren't everything.

(Insert "Last I checked you need goals to win a game" comment here. This is true, but if they score 3 for every 2 you score, how many games are you likely to win?)

I suspect that Hodgson will never be sought after as a top-6 center on one of the better teams in the NHL who are making a Cup run (unless they've had injury issues and he's a rental). This does not mean he won't be on a Cup team at some point in his career, but it does mean that I don't see him being the guy who can a team over the top.

On the other hand, Kassian is still developing. He looks like he still hasn't reached his ceiling (and yes, he might not ever get there), and he continues to take more steps forward than he does step back. Basing Kassian's future scoring ability on his current season's stats doesn't make a lot of sense, both because of him being a year younger in development than Hodgson and due to the differences in their positions and styles of play.

Kassian plays the game like Hodgson can't, and has been noted by others, he looks like he will be the type of guy which the team needs more than they did Hodgson.


You are correct, any intelligent person would know who to choose, and for the Canucks they went with the player who can do the "most" for this team over his career: Kassian.

regards,
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It's too bad that the Canucks wasted two seasons on this plug already. Who knows when he'll ever reach his potential?

If you think Kassian will be a player to put a team over the top like a Crosby, Malkin, Marchand, or even Lucic since everyone keeps wanting that to happen, you are on crack. This kid has fear in his eyes.

Hodgson has much more dimension to his game. He's not physical, so what? The Sedins are? Hodgson will lead you to the playoffs where other players have to be more physical so he can shoot and pass like a stud. How do you know he has reached his ceiling? If I'm presuming, which admittedly I am of course, then what are you doing?

I don't see a ceiling on Hodgson because he has grown and will continue to get better because he actually wants it. Kassian doesn't want anything but a free ride. I think the passion lies within Hodgson whereas Kassian simply likes the game or fell into it and doesn't hate it. Kassian would probably be happy doing something else. This is evident in the fact that the guy had to be asked by the Sedins to work out with them when HE should be the one asking to work out with the Sedins or Burr, not the other way around. Also sent for MMA training by management instead of taking action on his own. No passion, no action. Pathetic.

Oh and if that's Hodgon's ceiling, then that's not bad. Kassian will be lucky to get half as many points in a regular season, at least for the next two to three seasons.
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 07:35 PM

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 07:42 PM

When the dust settles, Zack will go down as one of Gillis' biggest busts.
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 08:22 PM

The sad thing of it is (for Hodgson fans), is that Hodgson likely isn't going to get much better. This looks to be his ceiling. He will be a center who will get (on average) 40 - 50 points a season, but is a defensive liability, has variable success at faceoffs and has no substantial physical aspect to his game. Because of these liabilities, he will be a regular top-6 center only on teams which finish towards the bottom half of the League. This is something which you either do not understand, or to which you are turning a blind eye: points aren't everything.

(Insert "Last I checked you need goals to win a game" comment here. This is true, but if they score 3 for every 2 you score, how many games are you likely to win?)

I suspect that Hodgson will never be sought after as a top-6 center on one of the better teams in the NHL who are making a Cup run (unless they've had injury issues and he's a rental). This does not mean he won't be on a Cup team at some point in his career, but it does mean that I don't see him being the guy who can a team over the top.

On the other hand, Kassian is still developing. He looks like he still hasn't reached his ceiling (and yes, he might not ever get there), and he continues to take more steps forward than he does step back. Basing Kassian's future scoring ability on his current season's stats doesn't make a lot of sense, both because of him being a year younger in development than Hodgson and due to the differences in their positions and styles of play.

Kassian plays the game like Hodgson can't, and has been noted by others, he looks like he will be the type of guy which the team needs more than they did Hodgson.


You are correct, any intelligent person would know who to choose, and for the Canucks they went with the player who can do the "most" for this team over his career: Kassian.
regards,G.


Is there any legitimate proof to this? Hodgson's in his second full year of his NHL career, just like Kassian. He'd be on pace for a 60 pt season in 82 games so your whole 40-50 pts projection already goes out the window. There is definite room for Cody to improve his game, especially since he's 23 years old.

Kassian is in a similar position but the worry about him is that he hasn't shown much of anything thus far to prove that he will be a legitimate top-six forward in the NHL. He had that decent stretch in the first 10 games but he only has 1 pt in his last 20 games. He's slow, below-average defensively and hasn't really shown that he has the hands to constantly put up the points in the big leagues.

If you base everything purely off of projections, Cody is likely going to be like a Jason Allison while Zack will likely end up being like a Ben Eager or a more-physical Steve Bernier. Kassian doesn't have the hands, the vision or the speed that someone like Bertuzzi did.

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 08:51 PM

When the dust settles, Zack will go down as one of Gillis' biggest busts.


Well, you can always hope. If you believe hard enough it may come to pass and boy will you be a winner!
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 08:56 PM

Is there any legitimate proof to this? Hodgson's in his second full year of his NHL career, just like Kassian. He'd be on pace for a 60 pt season in 82 games so your whole 40-50 pts projection already goes out the window. There is definite room for Cody to improve his game, especially since he's 23 years old.

Kassian is in a similar position but the worry about him is that he hasn't shown much of anything thus far to prove that he will be a legitimate top-six forward in the NHL. He had that decent stretch in the first 10 games but he only has 1 pt in his last 20 games. He's slow, below-average defensively and hasn't really shown that he has the hands to constantly put up the points in the big leagues.

If you base everything purely off of projections, Cody is likely going to be like a Jason Allison while Zack will likely end up being like a Ben Eager or a more-physical Steve Bernier. Kassian doesn't have the hands, the vision or the speed that someone like Bertuzzi did.


First you demand proof of an opinion and then you end with the type of opinion you demanded proof over.

Both players will be fine. You know, sometimes a trade is just two teams filling holes. There doesn't always need to be a clear winner. Sabres needed a setup center and we needed a powerforward that could play with our stars if needed to keep rats off of them.
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 09:34 PM

The sad thing of it is (for Hodgson fans), is that Hodgson likely isn't going to get much better. This looks to be his ceiling. He will be a center who will get (on average) 40 - 50 points a season, but is a defensive liability, has variable success at faceoffs and has no substantial physical aspect to his game. Because of these liabilities, he will be a regular top-6 center only on teams which finish towards the bottom half of the League. This is something which you either do not understand, or to which you are turning a blind eye: points aren't everything.


Just turn back the clock to the year 2001 and replace the name Cody Hodgson with Henrik Sedin and it's pretty much identical.

Not saying Hodgson will be as good as Henrik, but man were the Sedins slow back in the days. Their acceleration were slow and their top speed were slow too. During the lockout, they started to work on their conditioning, especially their skating, and their game went up to the next level.
Cody's acceleration is pretty much similar to where the Sedins were initially (except this is due to his short strides), but his top speed is already respectable. His skating will improve and it will undoubtedly help his defensive game.
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 10:11 PM

Is there any legitimate proof to this? Hodgson's in his second full year of his NHL career, just like Kassian. He'd be on pace for a 60 pt season in 82 games so your whole 40-50 pts projection already goes out the window. There is definite room for Cody to improve his game, especially since he's 23 years old.

Kassian is in a similar position but the worry about him is that he hasn't shown much of anything thus far to prove that he will be a legitimate top-six forward in the NHL. He had that decent stretch in the first 10 games but he only has 1 pt in his last 20 games. He's slow, below-average defensively and hasn't really shown that he has the hands to constantly put up the points in the big leagues.

If you base everything purely off of projections, Cody is likely going to be like a Jason Allison while Zack will likely end up being like a Ben Eager or a more-physical Steve Bernier. Kassian doesn't have the hands, the vision or the speed that someone like Bertuzzi did.


THIS! OH HELL YEAH! Thank you.

Cody doesn't have a ceiling, if he keeps working hard, particularly on his skating and defensive game then why can't he get more than 60 points a season and be a threat in the playoffs? His shot and vision are already dangerous to the opposing team. Yeah, they could intimidate him but he'll learn to sidestep the hit or just take it or the coach will put a big guy on his line to help protect him.

Kassian's ceiling is incredibly low because he has never shown good decision-making skills or work ethic. Guy just floats on the ice waiting for people to give him the puck so he can be a power forward and gain the line (or in his case, be poke-checked).
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Posted 22 April 2013 - 08:57 PM




KASSIAN SCORES!!!

A Polite "Screw you" to you, sir.

Edited by Jagr68, 22 April 2013 - 08:57 PM.

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 09:10 PM

Is there any legitimate proof to this? Hodgson's in his second full year of his NHL career, just like Kassian. He'd be on pace for a 60 pt season in 82 games so your whole 40-50 pts projection already goes out the window. There is definite room for Cody to improve his game, especially since he's 23 years old.


Just want to ask here: do you understand what "average" means in the sense it was being used? Who cares if Hodgson gets 1000 points in a single season? I was addressing the average over his career, not what he has achieved for this or any other single season.

As to Hodgson improving his game, sure there is a chance. He might get to play with line mates who will bring up both his point totals (as has happened in Buffalo) and drop his +/- (as was the case in Vancouver). This being said, he had two years when he was in the Canucks system (not counting the time he spent in juniors after he was drafted in '08), and while his offensive skill was never really in doubt, sadly his lack of defensive ability was also never in doubt, as shown by his time in Buffalo.

Hopefully, in the future, Hodgson will be paired with a couple of really slow guys, so it will look like he's become a faster skater.


Kassian is in a similar position but the worry about him is that he hasn't shown much of anything thus far to prove that he will be a legitimate top-six forward in the NHL. He had that decent stretch in the first 10 games but he only has 1 pt in his last 20 games. He's slow, below-average defensively and hasn't really shown that he has the hands to constantly put up the points in the big leagues.

If you base everything purely off of projections, Cody is likely going to be like a Jason Allison while Zack will likely end up being like a Ben Eager or a more-physical Steve Bernier. Kassian doesn't have the hands, the vision or the speed that someone like Bertuzzi did.


Yeah, except you are basing your projections for Kassian on fewer games than Hodgson has played.

What has Kassian done in his first 80 games (not counting tonight's game - 1 goal for Kassian)? 10 goals and 9 assists.

What has Hodgson done in his first 80 games? 16 goals and 18 assists. I got the Hodgson numbers by adding the results of his first nine game with Buffalo to what he did while he was with the Canucks (71 games). Fun fact: Hodgson dropped from being a +8 to a +4 in those first nine games.

I'm assuming that you are counting on a late growth spurt for Hodgson to become the next Jason Allison. Kassian looks like he is on track to put up comparable numbers to what Bertuzzi did at his age. NOTE: I'm not saying that Kassian will be the next Bertuzzi, just that his development to date is comparable.


THIS! OH HELL YEAH! Thank you.


You folks are so, so... excitable

Cody doesn't have a ceiling, if he keeps working hard, particularly on his skating and defensive game then why can't he get more than 60 points a season and be a threat in the playoffs? His shot and vision are already dangerous to the opposing team. Yeah, they could intimidate him but he'll learn to sidestep the hit or just take it ...


And just how do you know that Hodgson doesn't have a ceiling? He hasn't improved his skating, or his defensive game this past season with Buffalo, and this was his big chance to show what he's got. This says to me that he isn't a better a player than what he was considered to be while he was with the Canucks: good offensive talent, bad defense, no physicality, not particularly fast on his skates.

... or the coach will put a big guy on his line to help protect him.


Are you saying that you agree with what AV was doing when he had Hodgson on a line with guys like Weise? Good for you! Apparently Buffalo is taking your advice to heart and have promoted Hodgson to their bottom-6 where he can get more protection.

Kassian's ceiling is incredibly low because he has never shown good decision-making skills or work ethic. Guy just floats on the ice waiting for people to give him the puck so he can be a power forward and gain the line (or in his case, be poke-checked).


I'll be concerned about Kassian's supposed lack of "good decision-making skills or work ethic" after another couple of years of NHL experience. He has shown he can work hard towards a goal, as seen by his off-ice regimen this summer.


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Posted 22 April 2013 - 10:03 PM

Just want to ask here: do you understand what "average" means in the sense it was being used? Who cares if Hodgson gets 1000 points in a single season? I was addressing the average over his career, not what he has achieved for this or any other single season.

As to Hodgson improving his game, sure there is a chance. He might get to play with line mates who will bring up both his point totals (as has happened in Buffalo) and drop his +/- (as was the case in Vancouver). This being said, he had two years when he was in the Canucks system (not counting the time he spent in juniors after he was drafted in '08), and while his offensive skill was never really in doubt, sadly his lack of defensive ability was also never in doubt, as shown by his time in Buffalo.

Hopefully, in the future, Hodgson will be paired with a couple of really slow guys, so it will look like he's become a faster skater.

Yeah, except you are basing your projections for Kassian on fewer games than Hodgson has played.

What has Kassian done in his first 80 games (not counting tonight's game - 1 goal for Kassian)? 10 goals and 9 assists.

What has Hodgson done in his first 80 games? 16 goals and 18 assists. I got the Hodgson numbers by adding the results of his first nine game with Buffalo to what he did while he was with the Canucks (71 games). Fun fact: Hodgson dropped from being a +8 to a +4 in those first nine games.

I'm assuming that you are counting on a late growth spurt for Hodgson to become the next Jason Allison. Kassian looks like he is on track to put up comparable numbers to what Bertuzzi did at his age. NOTE: I'm not saying that Kassian will be the next Bertuzzi, just that his development to date is comparable.


Cody is playing on the first line in Buffalo. He's playing against the top lines in the league and still has a better +/- than Kassian. You also have to remember that he's on Buffalo, where more than half of the players on the team have a negative plus/minus rating. Kassian actually has the worst plus/minus rating on the Canucks as well so if you base defensive ability solely off of that stat (which I don't), he's the worst defensive player on the team.

You constantly bring up Cody's lack of defensive ability and speed, but there are 2 Art-Ross trophy winners on the Canucks who came into the league dealing with the same criticism. Not saying that Cody will ever win the Art Ross trophy, but to say that he has already reached his ceiling is asinine. Cody's vision and skill will take him far and this league and he's one of the hardest workers off of the ice (ask Gary Roberts). His speed isn't great but it's definitely improving and he actually plays the PK on the Sabres. A Jason Allision comparison isn't his ceiling, it's a comparable.

Bertuzzi had 18 goals and 39 points in his first 78 games of his career, Kassian has 11 goals and 20 points in his first 81 games. Bert practically had double the points in a similar amount of games as Kassian. Development curve isn't similar at all thus far.

A good comparison in development to Kassian is Ben Eager, who had 19 points in his first 88 games. I definitely see Kassian as being better than Eager but Kassian's development curve and playing ability looks more similar to Eager than Bertuzzi at this point. Eager is also a better skater than Kassian though.

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 11:42 PM

Cody is playing on the first line in Buffalo. He's playing against the top lines in the league and still has a better +/- than Kassian. You also have to remember that he's on Buffalo, where more than half of the players on the team have a negative plus/minus rating. Kassian actually has the worst plus/minus rating on the Canucks as well so if you base defensive ability solely off of that stat (which I don't), he's the worst defensive player on the team.

You constantly bring up Cody's lack of defensive ability and speed, but there are 2 Art-Ross trophy winners on the Canucks who came into the league dealing with the same criticism. Not saying that Cody will ever win the Art Ross trophy, but to say that he has already reached his ceiling is asinine. Cody's vision and skill will take him far and this league and he's one of the hardest workers off of the ice (ask Gary Roberts). His speed isn't great but it's definitely improving and he actually plays the PK on the Sabres. A Jason Allision comparison isn't his ceiling, it's a comparable.

Bertuzzi had 18 goals and 39 points in his first 78 games of his career, Kassian has 11 goals and 20 points in his first 81 games. Bert practically had double the points in a similar amount of games as Kassian. Development curve isn't similar at all thus far.

A good comparison in development to Kassian is Ben Eager, who had 19 points in his first 88 games. I definitely see Kassian as being better than Eager but Kassian's development curve and playing ability looks more similar to Eager than Bertuzzi at this point. Eager is also a better skater than Kassian though.


Ok ..Todd Bertuzzi had 18 goals in his rookie year with NYI..but you failed to mention that he had 10 goals the following year and 13 the year after that ...Not very impressive for the big guy....His real breakout year was 1999-00 when he registered 25 goals as a Canuck..It took four years,and he was unstoppable.


Not that Kassian will ever be a Bertuzzi...He will be Zack Kassian...Some players (especially big guys) take a bit more time..I don't think stats tell the real story.
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