Darkstar Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 So whats your reasoning for the Canucks winning another Presidents Trophy, coming 4th in the league in PP% and 5th in goals for etc etc the following season after he left? Why did we dip so much between the first year Ehrhoff was gone and the second? To have that big of a dip of stats means a lot more than Ehrhoff being gone was the problem. Edler had practically (off by one point) the same stats last year as Ehrhoff had in our cup year. Ehrhoff being gone and us not replacing him as nothing to do with our woes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyDrama Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 He signed a ENTRY LEVEL CONTRACT which is a TWO WAY CONTRACT and is no guarantee of ice time infact it is no guarantee of even making the NHL club. The player is willing to play in the system and earn ice time. Actually the Justin Schultz contract was also an entry level contract and their GM said there was no guarantee of ice time when ask about Schultz. If all that it took to sign great players was a guarantee of ice time i'm sure Gillis would say what ever it took to sign a player but no GM would ever guarantee this and I often wondered where those rumours get started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 The collective Canucks fans saw how great he was offensively. So much so ,that in his only two seasons he played here the FANS voted him the most valuable d man both years. The award is not reflective of individual detractors on CDC. I do not remember anyone saying that the PP should be dismantled in 2011 but that is what Gillis did. I thought they finished second the last year Christian played here but they finished first in the entire NHL with 262 goals scored. The next year they tied for fourth,33 goals behind Pittsburgh. This year they finished seventh in the West and 11 of the 15 Eastern teams scored more than the Canucks did. Regardless of the fact he was twice voted the Canucks best d man,anchored the leagues best PP and top scoring team and was the top scoring d man on this team there are still those that are happy that he and that incredible PP are long gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BI3KSA- Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 The reasoning is that they're still a damn good team. Are they good enough to win the cup though is another question. Edler is a solid offensive defenseman but there is a slight difference between an offensive d-man and a puck-moving d-man. The Canucks are still a good regular season team (by-product of their division mostly) but are 1-8 in the last two playoff series. The Sedins production has been decimated after the two years that the team had a puck-moving defenseman in Ehrhoff. If it isn't a puck-moving defenseman, then what is it? Injuries? Coaching? Psychological Trauma? Please explain what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BI3KSA- Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 The collective Canucks fans saw how great he was offensively. So much so ,that in his only two seasons he played here the FANS voted him the most valuable d man. The award is not reflective of individual detractors on CDC. I do not remember anyone saying that the PP should be dismantled in 2011 but that is what Gillis did. I thought they finished second the last year Christian played here but they finished first in the entire NHL with 262 goals scored. The next year they tied for fourth,33 goals behind Pittsburgh. This year they finished seventh in the West and 11 of the 15 Eastern teams scored more than the Canucks did. Regardless of the fact he was twice voted the Canucks best d man,anchored the leagues best PP and was the top scoring d man on this team there are still those that are happy that he and that incredible PP are long gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Obviously you do not read enough to realise what prompts me to write such drivel: Ehrhoff being gone and us not replacing him as nothing to do with our woes.Kesheniel ...I think its safe to say that Ehrhoffs 2 extra points didn't make him more influential to our success in our SC run, in fact, Ehrhoff was much worse and some might say he did more harm than good. Kesheniel He's not worth what he is paid IMO .... Smasshian Kassian Bieksa was way more valuable to us during the run......I would say Bieksa is/was more imporant.Smassian Kassian Who cares about the regular season, the fact is, his playoffs stats weren't even close to Bieksa. Not to mention the fact that Bieksa is a leader on this team and a strong locker room presence. Keshniel Once again, we have puck movers, we have offensive guys.... Losing Ehrhoff wasn't the issue with this team. And yes Bieksa was the much better choice to keep..... by a long shot. Smasshian Kassian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BI3KSA- Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Obviously you do not read enough to realise what prompts me to write such drivel: Ehrhoff being gone and us not replacing him as nothing to do with our woes.Kesheniel ...I think its safe to say that Ehrhoffs 2 extra points didn't make him more influential to our success in our SC run, in fact, Ehrhoff was much worse and some might say he did more harm than good. Kesheniel He's not worth what he is paid IMO .... Smasshian Kassian Bieksa was way more valuable to us during the run......I would say Bieksa is/was more imporant.Smassian Kassian Who cares about the regular season, the fact is, his playoffs stats weren't even close to Bieksa. Not to mention the fact that Bieksa is a leader on this team and a strong locker room presence. Keshniel Once again, we have puck movers, we have offensive guys.... Losing Ehrhoff wasn't the issue with this team. And yes Bieksa was the much better choice to keep..... by a long shot. Smasshian Kassian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuck-Shot Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 He was no bure, but artem chubarov was not a bad Center Just because a player didn't choose us doesn't mean it's a mistake. The thing about Russians is they stick together, we haven't had a Russian here since Bure. We had no chance signing this guy, move on. MG has had many mistakes, he's done some good things too, he hasn't yet put his stamp on this team, he should be given that chance. If he doesn't do it this year, he needs to be fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Just because some of us think that keeping Bieksa was/is a better choice and that Ehrhoff was asking for too much money, does not mean that we are "happy" that our PP is in the toilet and he is gone. I don't even understand how you could make that connection, that because we think another player was a better fit that we all of a sudden hate another player and are amazingly happy he is gone. No logic, all drama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogbyte Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Bieksa and Ehrhoff have different skill sets.One is a PP specialist/puck mover and one is not. There have been two,additional years of a declining PP to figure out his value,if you did not understand what he meant to the team and the PP in the two years he played here: "Ehrhoff being gone and us not replacing him as nothing to do with our woes." Keshenial "Who cares about the regular season, the fact is, his playoffs stats weren't even close to Bieksa." Keshenial 2009-10 playoffs Bieksa 3g 5 a 14 pim 20 shots Ehrhoff 3g 4a 8 pim 25 shots 2010-2011 playoffs Ehrhoff 23gp 2g 10a 16 pim 50 shots Bieksa 25gp 5g 5a 51 pim 47 shots Actually,Christian put up more points than Bieksa in fewer games played in the two playoffs he played here while taking far less penalty minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BI3KSA- Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Bieksa and Ehrhoff have different skill sets.One is a PP specialist/puck mover and one is not. There have been two,additional years of a declining PP to figure out his value,if you did not understand what he meant to the team and the PP in the two years he played here: "Ehrhoff being gone and us not replacing him as nothing to do with our woes." Keshenial "Who cares about the regular season, the fact is, his playoffs stats weren't even close to Bieksa." Keshenial 2009-10 playoffs Bieksa 3g 5 a 14 pim 20 shots Ehrhoff 3g 4a 8 pim 25 shots 2010-2011 playoffs Ehrhoff 23gp 2g 10a 16 pim 50 shots Bieksa 25gp 5g 5a 51 pim 47 shots Actually,Christian put up more points than Bieksa in fewer games played in the two playoffs he played here while taking far less penalty minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 Yeah,the stats point out Bieksa sat in the box more than any other D man while the other top 4 D had to play short handed. As a matter of fact,Kevin had more penalty minutes than all top four D-combined- on the run to the cup. Putting your team and team mates down short in the SC playoffs is not exactly a winning strategy for your team mates that are covering your mistakes and lack of character. I hate going down short handed and losing games for some hot headed goof ball that can not control himself or play within the rules. It is hardly skilled leadership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Standing_Tall#37 Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 Lol ^^^^ who is this guy??? :D Where's the minus button? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 Safe to say the joke's on you Kevin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc44 Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 Obviously you do not read enough to realise what prompts me to write such drivel: Ehrhoff being gone and us not replacing him as nothing to do with our woes.Kesheniel ...I think its safe to say that Ehrhoffs 2 extra points didn't make him more influential to our success in our SC run, in fact, Ehrhoff was much worse and some might say he did more harm than good. Kesheniel He's not worth what he is paid IMO .... Smasshian Kassian Bieksa was way more valuable to us during the run......I would say Bieksa is/was more imporant.Smassian Kassian Who cares about the regular season, the fact is, his playoffs stats weren't even close to Bieksa. Not to mention the fact that Bieksa is a leader on this team and a strong locker room presence. Keshniel Once again, we have puck movers, we have offensive guys.... Losing Ehrhoff wasn't the issue with this team. And yes Bieksa was the much better choice to keep..... by a long shot. Smasshian Kassian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CupisAll Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 closest thing we've had to a Norris d man since Jeff Brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 As much as I think Mike Gillis is an idiot. Most of the Canucks played really well in 2011 and played really poorly in the playoffs this year. I'm not sure anyone played as well as they could. While I think many. I actually don't mind the Bieksa over Ehrhoff thing, Kesler and Burrows would've probably cried themselves to sleep if Bieksa left. I still have a bigger issue with the Kassian trade (I don't see why you don't trade Hodgson who is CLEARLY a stud in the offseason). I don't know how the scouting failed so badly in the Keith Ballard trade. Trading for David Booth's terrible contract. Giving Higgins a 4 year contract???! Also, Burrows contract is awful. 4.5 million for him AND 4 years AND a NTC.... You know you're a terrible negotiator when you give up more than you need on all three of those things... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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