[Proposal] 2 Lateral moves

[CRAZY_4_NAZZY]

In the spirit of Christmas, what does Santa possibly have in store for the Vancouver Canucks this coming season?  Well he decided to grant us early with fistful of injuries that have left some key holes on our roster.  I think some lateral moves could help both teams we are dealing with, and would help us in the immediate and near future.

 

Trade # 1

 

Vancouver trades: Ben Hutton (24 year old / 2 x 2.8 million contract (1 year remaining)])

 

Minnesota trades: Charlie Coyle (25 year old / 3x 3.2 million contract (2 years remaining on deal)]

 

Why does Vancouver do this deal? With the injury to Bo Horvat, it leaves a significant hole.  Charlie Coyle is no Bo Horvat replacement, but is rather a fixture that can help supplement offense when healthy Bo Horvat returns.  Vancouver has often wondered what to do in the scenario that Henrik Sedin retires, leaving a glaring hole down the middle depth wise.  Yes we have Elias Petterson waiting in the near future, but until then, Canucks need to find a cheap solution to plug behind Bo Horvat, because it doesn't look like Markus Granlund or Sam Gagner are planning to deployed that way, and all hope has been given up on hoping Brandon Sutter will become that.  

 

So, Vancouver also has a dilemma with the emergence of Derrick Pouliot, the Blueline becomes crowded, especially with Philip Holm knocking the door to get in.  Finding a way to move Hutton solves that issue and solidifies another issue in obtaining a legitimate top six scorer in Charlie Coyle.  He has soft hands, right handed shot, and towering 6'3'' 228 lbs.  Although the knock has been he hasn't fully used his size which is why the potential to be dominant has been stunted.  He could help succeed as the succession plan going forward, and when Elias Pettersson is ready to take the throne, Coyle can be slotted over onto the wing.  But this gives us a nice punch up the middle allowing us to give Pettersson some time.   Canucks are desperate for some goals, and Coyle has shown he can do it.  At the age of 25, Coyle is still relatively young in that age range where he can be apart of the young core, and his raw skills he has is something the Canucks desperately need.  A guy who can score and a big body.  Currently being used as the third line centre in Minnesota and barely getting powerplay time, his full potential hasn't been tapped yet. 

 

Why does Minnesota do this deal?

 

Their gluttony of forwards up front, especially with the acquisitions of Marcus Foligno and Tyler Ennis, and with prospects Eriksson-Ek, Luke Kunin banging on the door for more ice time, Minnesota uses Coyle to find a different asset.  The problem with Coyle for much of the last two seasons was trying to figure out whether he was a centre or a winger.  They like his size for both positions, but the 10 games he has played so far this season has been rotated in and out of both positions mainly because he isn't good enough to beat out Mikko Koivu and Eric Staal, and trying to maximize his mins on the wing instead of centre as Eriksson-Ek and Luke Kunin have pushed to be in the middle.  Not to mention they also have 2 time cup champion in Matt Cullen, and Daniel Winnick.  But the wing is also filled with skillful scorers in Granlund, Niederreiter, Zucker, even Luke Kunin has been moved to the wing because of the backup at centre, and emergence of Zack Mitchell, Minnesota is stocked full up front.

 

However, on their backend, they are feeling the loss of Marco Scandella, who spent much of 3 seasons steadying their defence with quick transitions and puck moving ability.  With Jared Spurgeon sidelined for several weeks with a groin injuries, they have resorted to waiver claim Nate Prosser who at best is a 6/7 dman, Ryan Murphy who hasn't done much at all since being signed after Carolina and Calgary saw him as spare parts, and rookie Dman Mike Reilly, who is coming into his own, but still needs time to be seasoned.  Ben Hutton becomes the spare part in Vancouver, and his ability to move the puck is still good, however, seems like Hutton may need a new look elsewhere.  With time and careful slotting, Ben Hutton is a solid 4/5 dman playing behind Suter and Brodin to help out round out their D-core.  He is still young and on a relatively cheap contract that his confidence in the offensive zone can still be salvageable.   Minnesota was much criticized last years playoffs that their Dman were not able to make quick transitions and looked rather slow against the Blues, so adding Ben Hutton can help that. 

 

Trade # 2

 

Vancouver trades: Alex Burmistrov (25 year old / 1 X 900K (RFA next summer)) and Jordan Subban 

 

Tampa Bay trades: Slater Koekkoek (23 year old / 1 x 800K (RFA next summer)) and Tampa's 4th round pick in 2018 draft.

 

Why Vancouver does this trade:

 

It appears Burmistrov has quickly lost favor in Green's eyes and has been scratched 9 of 11 games.  His skill and speed still tantilizes people as he shows bits and pieces of it, hwoever, teh physical aspect of competing is not his strong suit, and being in a western conference that requires grinding out games is not his style to which is why he has not panned out in Winnipeg, Arizona, and now Vancity.  With possible acquiring Coyle, moving Burmistrov for depth on D lost in trading in moving Hutton can be reacquired in Slater Koekkeok.  In only 10 games he has amassed 5 points (3 goals and 2 assists).  A simple two way Dman, who can get the puck up ice and stable in his own zone, you would think Tampa wouldn't dare to move him.  But for whatever reason, he finds himself buried behind the depth Tampa has on the backend, and doesn't seem like it will get any better with the emergence of Mikhail Sergachyov.  He could look to have a fresh start, and JB has this knack for taking on reclaimation projects, bringing him to Vancouver could help revitalize his confidence.

 

Acquiring a 4th round pick replaces the one we lost in the Pouliot-Pedan trade to Pittsburgh.

 

Why Tampa does this trade:

 

Since the loss of Brian Boyle and Valteri Filppula due to cap reasons, Tampa doesn't have the same depth down the middle.  Alex Burmistrov a cheap option, and has been surprisingly good faceoff wise as he has average better than 50% this season.  Plus he can supplement some offense for them if need be.  Thus this allows their fourth liner Cedric Paquette who has played much of this season as their fourth line centre to slide back to LW where he is much suited for with speed and size (also he has a terrible faceoff %).  In addition it gives Tampa another centre that they really need especially after they decided to switch Vlad Namestnikov to the wing on the top line.  The speed of the East and being on an extremely offensively gifted team will allow Burmistrov to utilize his skills far better, which is speed, puck possession.  In addition, Alex Burmistrov gives Tampa more flexibility in their lineup.

 

Jordan Subban just seems he needs a fresh lease on his pro career, and a trade might help him do that.  Doesn't seem like there is any future plans for Jordan Subban in our system for him.  Tampa lacking RHD, may have use for them.  Risk is losing out on the potential of Jordan Subban, but with Derrick Pouliot, and Troy Stecher doing exactly what Jordan Subban does but better defensively and physically, there just doens't seem to be any room for him moving forward. 

 

Basic lateral moves that help gratify both sides of the deal, but also helps us advance in our own movement.  Also salary wise, we have close to 600K according to capfriendly open, and in these deals we would only accumulate 300K.  So salary wise we would be okay.

 

when healthy this could be our roster this year, and by next year gives us lots of flexibility to not have to say yes to bringing back the twins.

 

Baertschi-Horvat-Boeser

Granlund-Coyle-Vanek

Daniel-Hank-Eriksson

Gaunce/Gagner-Sutter-Virtanen

 

Edler-Tanev

Del-Zotto-Pouliot

Koekkoek-Stecher/Gudbranson

 

Any thoughts?

 

This is what I have been thinking about for a few days haha.

 

 

 

 

 

[Noble 6]

I think the idea's are pretty sound. They fill the needs of our team and the other team pretty well. 

 

However, I don't think the Wild would be willing to part with Coyle for that little. They are a balanced, deep team and Coyle is a big part of that. We would likely need to add a bit more to secure that deal. He's also coming off of a broken leg if I'm not mistaken. 

 

Just something to note that isn't directly related to your proposal; the Canucks are currently in a position where we cannot add 400,000 to our cap hit without putting Dorsett's contract on LTIR. 

 

As for the Tampa deal, that seems like a very solid deal. With McEneny out for the season, Koekkoek could help a badly hurting Comet's blue line as well as provide addition depth for us. I believe he requires waivers next year, so we might be able to get him in deal similar to the Pouliot trade. It might cause a bit of a logjam for us next year though, potentially having Edler, Pouliot, Juolevi, Del Zotto and Koekkoek on the left side alone. 

[-Stammer-]

no way Tampa does that deal

[shazzam]

no way Minny does that deal. Hutton's value is no where near Coyle's. Hutton is not a 4/5 D. He's closer to #6

[hammertime]

Great proposals. I think the players targeted would be a great fit. I really like these deals. A lil too much. I would be quite surprised if either team accepted. However Trader Jim has pulled off more unrealistic feats than these sooooo. Git errrr Dunn! 

[mll]

The Wild feel they don't have enough forward depth.  Coyle is on a great contract and is definitely not available.  They are more likely trying to move Ennis if anything.