JeremyCuddles Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Lind ahead of Dahlen and Juolevi? Yeah, okay there. Lol. Dahlen carried his team into the SHL, he played against men all year. No disrespect to Lind but Dahlen had an unreal season and if it weren't for Pettersson's record breaking season we'd all be talking about Dahlen a whole lot more. Juolevi gets a lot of flack, probably cause he's not as flashy as other prospects. I'd still rank Juolevi ahead of Lind at this stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 1 hour ago, UticaHockey said: Pronman evaluated each prospect in four areas which were skating, puck skills, physical game and hockey sense. For Pettersson he actually added a fifth category which was shot grade. The range for each category was 20 to 80 with 50 being the mean. Pettersson received the following. Skating 45 Puck skill 65 Physical game 45 Hockey sense 65 Shot grade 70 I don't believe any single player scored higher than a 70 in any category. The two 45s is what kept Pettersson at the lower end of the elite players and the addition of the 5th category for Pettersson allowed him into the elite grouping. It's easy to argue the rankings but Pronman did use a statistical method for his rankings. Part of the problem might be weighting all of those aspects the same. Is a player's physical game really as important as their hockey sense? A relatively non-physical player can easily have a good career whereas one with limited hockey sense is far more hindered from even making the league. There are certainly far more of the former in the NHL than the latter. Skating is also wildly subjective -- does that mean straight-line speed, mobility, acceleration, edgework, lateral movement? Assumedly a composite of all factors, but thereby saying Pettersson effectively is an "average" skater seems a bit dubious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeneedLumme Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 49 minutes ago, Hutton Wink said: Part of the problem might be weighting all of those aspects the same. Is a player's physical game really as important as their hockey sense? A relatively non-physical player can easily have a good career whereas one with limited hockey sense is far more hindered from even making the league. There are certainly far more of the former in the NHL than the latter. Skating is also wildly subjective -- does that mean straight-line speed, mobility, acceleration, edgework, lateral movement? Assumedly a composite of all factors, but thereby saying Pettersson effectively is an "average" skater seems a bit dubious. What's even more dubious is saying that EP is a below average skater - scoring 45 compared to a mean of 50. The fact is, all the numbers used here were wildly subjective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure_Pavel Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 4 hours ago, UticaHockey said: Pronman evaluated each prospect in four areas which were skating, puck skills, physical game and hockey sense. For Pettersson he actually added a fifth category which was shot grade. The range for each category was 20 to 80 with 50 being the mean. Pettersson received the following. Skating 45 Puck skill 65 Physical game 45 Hockey sense 65 Shot grade 70 I don't believe any single player scored higher than a 70 in any category. The two 45s is what kept Pettersson at the lower end of the elite players and the addition of the 5th category for Pettersson allowed him into the elite grouping. It's easy to argue the rankings but Pronman did use a statistical method for his rankings. Probably fell due to his below average skating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rollieo Del Fuego Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 Greener has a new idea....."subtle line changes"...from the Province, if that doesn't get us to cup....what will...?: “I believe you have to have strong communication and talk openly and honestly and treat each player differently,” he said. “Learning the league was a big thing. Little nuances. Subtle line changes. Coaches have different tactics to get a certain player on the ice.” ....also I thought it was politically correct to treat everyone the same.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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