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5 hours ago, DownUndaCanuck said:
With Allvin moving fast to want to contend now, I wonder if NHL-readiness plays a factor? Obviously with the OEL buyout a defenceman should be non negotiable unless a real stud is available (Dvorsky, Leonard, Benson) and even then it's 50-50.
Of these players, Benson is pretty far off. Willander is committed to the NCAA but he looked very good, but may take a bit longer than say Reinbacher or ASP who are already playing against men. I know you don't want to rush defencemen but either of those 2 could maybe jump straight into the league in a couple of years as 19-20 year olds. Don't see many go straight into the NHL but I wonder if ASP will given his skating ability. I think in terms of NHL-readiness it probably goes ASP > Reinbacher > Willander.
With this in mind the most nhl ready prospect in our draft range imo:
1. Reinbacher
2. Simashev (once KHL contract is done plug n play)
3. Danielson
4. Barlow
5. Willander
2-3 years easy to project all of them in the NHL
whereas others are 2-4/5 years I think.
and I think Willander will be in the NHL before ASP depending on team that drafts him. But he’s going to get climatized to North American ice fast and could be 1-2 ncaa years and ready for ahl/nhl
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7 minutes ago, Dr. Crossbar said:
When it comes to UFAs, we'll be fine. Especially when you do the right math.
I’m curious how much dmen like soucy will cost.
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4 minutes ago, Alflives said:
Yup. It was cheaper than toilet paper.
Lmao
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1 hour ago, Canucks Curse said:
Shane Malloy great talk on 650
-loves Barlow for us if available, likes Wallander but has him at 13/15 range
- Moore - not great hockey IQ but very fast and great shot - reminds me of mason Raymond lol, always hoped for more from him
-Danielson projects as 3C good numbers with bad team but feels limited offensive upside
He also said ASP isn’t as good a skater as Reinbacher, unless I misheard him.
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1 hour ago, smithers joe said:
fast but low iq, doesn't that sound like virtanin?
I think Moore has a better head on his shoulders than Jake
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2 hours ago, Kuzy said:
With the OEL buyout now and our new found cap space, does anyone think we might make a splash at the draft?
With bear hurt and OEL bought out def must have some loves cooking and hopefully they are ones we will like.. I’m sure they would have gotten squeezed in any trade being over the cap prior to the buy out too
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1 hour ago, HKSR said:
Yeah, there's no saving this trade anymore. One of the worst trades in franchise history at this point.
Ya can’t even be argued. Unless we move garland and soemthing et a piece that surprises us and far exceeds or outperforms their value at time of trade
huge L and I try to stay optimistic at
times of any movies and I feel sick I was optimistic when this trade happened
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I’m gonna say I was pretty scared of seeing OEL on acanucks jersey going forward as an A even..
and his post season interviews didn’t exactly inspire confidence
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I am curious if Bears injury had any impact on this decision or in regards to what the plan is for Myers here
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7 minutes ago, hammertime said:
Good lord. Hey guess we're going FA shopping what could go wrong?
I hope we aren’t going to do that.
i think Projecting OEL in our line up for his contract was rough. Especially the message it sent to others. It was kinda tough either way.
so hope they plan to replace him with cheaper players and not to replace with an overpaid UFA LETS HOPE
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13 minutes ago, Coconuts said:
Sounds Swedish, close enough. We can make it work, we'll just prop him up as Daniel's long lost love child. Daniel was young, these things happen.
LMAO
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1 hour ago, Seannnp said:
Players with the IQ of Benson do not bust as some are claiming. They almost always carve out a role for themselves. If Benson is available at 11, I dont see how you pass on him. Willander would be a better selection given team need but Benson is swinging for the fences. Kid has been ranked top 6-8 almost all season. Is Bedard any bigger than Benson?
I have to agree. Especially when you factor in his motor / work ethic and PK : defensive ability/mind already too.
bedsrd is just more physically developed than benson but they sre the exact same size
so as benson builds strength in his lower body he will become a better skater as well
I could see a world where we take willander over any forward outside of dvorksy / Leonard.
but we will see I’m so excited for this draft and how it goes
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27 minutes ago, Warhippy said:
Watch bensons plays.
What makes him successful in JR is what will cause him those issues in the majors.
He will not have that time to make those plays or that space along the board. The reaction time of pro defenders is far greater than JR, there is no split second disconnect. He'd get Kronwalled or have the puck stripped by a smart forward and active stick.
I am not saying he will necessarily bust, I am suggesting he is top 6 or bust and I feel greatly as though he'd be the wrong pick for our club.
Benson is the best or 2nd best defensive forward in the first round of the draft.
he has High level IQ, and High level playmaking.
the best forwards for playmaking or just in passing ability he’s in the top echelon here and could be argued he’s the best puck distributor.
so IQ and passing and defensive play are his biggest strengths.
not to mention he does do everything else very well.
sure he has some plays where he dangles in ways that will be harder at the NHL. But so does every forward in the CHL. Including Bedard and even michkov for that matter. And the best players make defenders looks stupid, they Crete more time and space for themselves and as they develop they learn what works and what they can do at each level they advance too.
I think benson has a higher floor than you are giving him credit for. If his offence doesn’t translate he has:
- the motor / competitive drive
- the IQ
- the defensive game
where he could be a bottom 6, pker.
he just doesn’t have the size / power to make him the prototypical style of bottom 6 forward that is more often viewed as an effective bottom 6er. There are special players sub 6 in this league and Benson could be one of them.
I do have my seeds of doubt on benson hitting his ceiling or near as I wish he was an elite skater or a little bigger.
but he really does have everything else and some elite differentiating traits that some scouting services don’t recognize as elite but some do and that’s why there’s such disparity in his rankings from 5-17.
IF he’s available, and IF we draft him I will be excited because he does have a huge ceiling with a decent B game. Do I think he’s what we need most no, but if he hits, his projected fit is irrelevant.
and I do see him fitting on JT millers wing as a duo I could really visualize this being a perfect fit. Especially if Miller needs help with his C duties at times post face off in a Couple years. As benson usually covers the C ice responsibilities down low and I just could see their offensive styles meshing really well together.
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8 minutes ago, HighOnHockey said:
I gotta go a little off topic here, but I really think Hagens is the brains behind the operations there. I've seen quite a bit of them both already, and Eiserman has so many outstanding qualities - athleticism, explosiveness, tenacity, competitiveness, and then there's obviously the raw skills, but the one area I'm less than sold is his hockey IQ and playmaking. Let's put this in perspective though, I'm talking relative to a surefire top 5 pick and 1st overall contender. Of course I'm not saying his hockey IQ is a weakness, but Hagens is, like Celebrini a 200-foot hockey genius. We'll have to wait and see how they turn out size-wise, but for now I don't mind saying I prefer Hagens to Celebrini or Eiserman.
Inside the offensive zone and particularly inside the top of the faceoff circles, Eiserman is unstoppable, but he's another one who does most of his best work off the puck and doesn't tend to hold on to it for very long before he's firing it on net. Hagens is the one who loves to have the puck on his stick and make plays, but he also always has the puck because he does so much great work off the puck defensively that he's always getting it back. It's what makes Hagens and Eiserman so dynamite together though is that they complement eachother so well - Eiserman is the runaway train in first on the forecheck wrecking havoc and Hagens is the man back waiting to pounce on a mistake, Hagens does the heavy lifting in the defensive and neutral zones, both defensively and in transition, and Eiserman runs the show in the offensive zone, winning battles, making quick passing plays and getting to areas to use his shot.
So yeah, of course putting a player of Moore's calibre on a line with those two is gonna create sparks. He played on their powerplay unit most of the tournament too and even there it always felt like Hagens and Hutson were the ones driving the play creatively, although certainly Moore's speed is invaluable at getting to loose or contested pucks. Been watching/rewatching some footage and I still have the same question marks about whether his processing speed can keep up with the skating speed, but I'm also starting to see the excitement people have about what if he does figure it out. Floor is at least a 3rd line two-way PKing center, and the upside could be an extremely dynamic offensive weapon.
Interesting rank on those three right now. Maybe I need to go back and watch it again. I was just so impressed with Eiserman offensively and watching Moore with most of my focus maybe I missed what you saw with Hagens. Lots of runway next year for me to se it though!
with Moore i think he just needs a patient path. Since he’s getting a sheltered role now, and next year. He will have lots of time to develop that. And he will need 1-2 years at least after being the number 1 C on a team to really get that experience and improve his IQ and with the right coaching I could see a world he really hits.
im just not super confident it will all go that way. And I think for him it will almost benefit him to be drafted outside of the top 10 since that always comes with more patience. Same with Yager I think he’s a prospect that’s really gonna benefit from going later in the draft.
Absolute worst case moore is a checking winger that brings a speed element to any line he plays on and would be an annoying forechecker to play against. I’m just not completely sold on his ceiling.
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1 hour ago, NuckLuck19 said:
Some scouts have said he could be the best dman in the draft, issue is he’s in Russia, and he “could be” is not the same as “is”. He will probably be number 4 taken after Reinbacher, ASP, Willander. But if some team is less risk averse maybe he goes before some of them.
Ya I’ve heard lots of opinions on him and read and seen some clips but I’ve not watched him play any full games. And we don’t have any international peer play for some cross reference.
but he’s very interesting!
the draft order for the dmen will be very interesting
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35 minutes ago, KirkSave said:
The closer we get to the draft, the more enticing Simashev becomes. He has size, skating, poise and is an all around great defender. Whether or not he is RD means little. In 4-5 years he should be establishing himself as the best D of this draft class and I hope he's wearing our sweater.
I know so little but what I do is very interesting. The coaches really trust him in the KHL which is pretty impressive in his own right. And from the clips he skates amazingly well for his size. Will be an interesting prospect to follow on draft day and how his career progresses after
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7 hours ago, Kenny Powers said:
The specific draft had Mitchkov slipping to 5
WE HAVE A TRADE TO ANNOUNCE:Montreal trades the fifth overall pick and the 31st pick to Detroit for picks No. 9 and 17, all in this year’s draft.
5. Detroit Red Wings: Matvei Michkov, RW, Sochi (KHL)
GM Arpon Basu drove a hard bargain — I think he was bluffing me about taking Michkov at No. 5 if he didn’t get the return he needed — but ultimately, the price was fair to move up for one of the most tantalizing talents in the draft. Giving up pick No. 17 hurts, but Michkov is the kind of dynamic scorer the Red Wings so desperately lack. There is of course risk here, and I’m doubling down on that risk by trading up. But both the Red Wings and GM Steve Yzerman have long track records of taking the chance on Russian draft prospects. The three-year wait for Michkov won’t be pleasant, but the payoff thereafter should be significant. —Max Bultman
I thought it said max butman lol
now that would be a very interesting scenario.
would def be crazy to see
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12 minutes ago, Kenny Powers said:
I think you’re right. A recent mock draft had Yzerman trading up to pick 5th or 6th. Could see him being aggressive with his multiple firsts
I don’t know if he could get:
Dvorsky/Danielson/Moore/ASP/Benson/Wood/Willander
then with the next pick:
Simashev/Honzek
i think I’d rather get the two then guaranteeing first pick of a dmen or a dvorksy / Leonard / Michkov
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29 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said:
1. CHI - Bedard
2. ANA - Fantilli
3. CBJ - Smith
4. SJ - Carlsson
5. MTL - Dvorsky
6. ARI - Michkov
7. PHI - Leonard
8. WAS - Moore (damn)
9. DET - Willander (damn)
10. STL - Danielson (damn)
11. VAN - Barlow
I’d prefer benson + wood personally
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20 minutes ago, Smashian Kassian said:
I've changed my mind on Benson, if he falls take him. He's just too good. He's too smart.
His first few steps are pretty good, top end speed isn't as good, but overall he's a good skater & he's still going to get stronger so maybe that'll help add power to his stride.
He’s also mentally strong. Works the mini doughnuts at the traveling fair and is not fat!? Kids got an iron will
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2 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said:
We should not be moving players on 1 year deals for picks. Just hold on to them at least until trade deadline, who knows maybe we can even get picks back if they have a good year. Imagine if this team consistently got to use their 2nd round picks, instead of throwing them away for bottom six stop gaps.
Wed have a dman or two that’s for sure
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45 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said:
Yeah but thats the whole point of those contracts is they are over paid in the first few years, they adequately paid in the middle, and under paid at the end of the contract while player is in their prime and team is ready to compete for a cup. If the cap rises these deals almost always turn out to be a steal for the team's front office.
Both sides have to be willing. It’s more than likely Petey didn’t want to sign that kind of deal you know
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12 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said:
The one thing this team has lacked for the the last 10 years patience. We could have waited one more year but decided to give up the 9th overall pick instead. They squandered Petey's bridge deal though, should have just signed him to 8 years off the bat, like every other team does with their young star players.
Imagine the Canuck nation reaction if he signed big then had that down year / start to year. It is what it is let’s be happy we have a super star.
if we sign him this year he could still provide surplus value with cap rising and the fact he could get even better
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1 hour ago, HighOnHockey said:
I've had some question marks around his overall play creation too, but he did look pretty damn good when he was between Eiserman and Hagens. I have Eiserman ranked 3rd for 2024 and Hagens 1st for 2025 so far, so it's easy for anyone to look good with them, but it did seem like when he didn't have to be counted on to be "the guy" driving play offensively, he did ok keeping up with those two.
Rewatching the U18s gold medal game today, and that was one of the game-altering changes USA's coaching made down 2-0 after two. As Craig Button explains it, Hagens and Eiserman had been called up a few weeks prior and played with Moore and had an immediate spark, but USA wanted to get Hagens back to his natural center position so they moved them down to the third and Moore played mostly with Fine, Terrance and Hendrickson through the U18s. But struggling to create offense and with the gold medal on the line they went back to that dynamic 1-2 line punch and it was just too much for Sweden to handle in the third period. Now again, I'm not sure how much credit should go to Moore as he's the veteran on the line but those kids are two of the best prospects in recent years.
I couldn't help but lean to it being Eiserman.
Whereas I was impressed by Wood much more than Moore with how he played with Macklin if that comparison makes sense?
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Well I just think Willander will make the jump before ASP unless rushed.
ASP hasn’t looked that great in the SHL and his defending is no where near NHL ready/acceptable. IMO.
Willander has a more polished game at this point and he’s going to have a better development path than ASP has imo.