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7 hours ago, Diamonds said:
I've seen a lot of scouts compare Benson to Point. Still not sold personally, but grabbing a Brayden Point would be a hell of a player at 11.
Point isn’t really a good comparison since point is clearly a C and one of his strengths is his skating / speed. Early in the year I thought maybe but it’s just not in my opinion.
im not saying benson is slow, but it’s not a differentiating strength like it is for point.
I think a blend of Marner / Gallagher or even Marchand is a better comp for Benson.
have to also think Benson will need to
physically mature to be his most effective version of himself.
i do not see him staying Garlands weight at the next level. @hammertime has compared him to garland. And at their current weight and their motor that’s maybe better comp than Point too for me. But I do think Benson has a more translatable game than Garland. And if he can add weight to his frame like a Marchand it could be exciting.
I do think benson will be an NHL winger like Marner not a C. One that kills penalties, can be used in all situations.
i do think he’s an nhl player and has the IQ, skill and work ethic to overcome his size.
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4 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said:Hmmm, I'm thinking this guy isn't gonna drop too far...
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1 hour ago, hammertime said:
I whole heartedly agree on the "if's".
I also agree on the part about guys who don't necessarily hit but compete hard. Where I diverge is somebody needs to hit other than Miller.
Our top 6 is
Kuzz Pete Brock
Beau Miller Garland
We can't win with a collective 3 hits a game from our top 6. Unfortunately there isn't a compete stat, I would consider penalties drawn a good indicator though where Pete and Garland are 2 of the best.
That cannot be our top 6 and it won't be even with those guys last year RT wont deploy like that.
Wont work at all. Agree to that!
Speaking on Boeser though, I will be hard on him because hes paid millions of dollars and needs to have a good offseason. Storying on IG him playing beer pong with buddies then missing dad right after isn't what I wanna see if I am the canucks management, or as a fan.
I like Petey storying the gym at least, like im in here working even if hes taking personal time too.
Boeser doest really have the luxury of drinking and relaxing. And if he does a little now maybe be discreet about it. My opinion.
We will see what he does but I was hoping he'd go into the summer hungry to work..
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1 hour ago, hammertime said:
Brock is a great guy good team mate and all around great human. It's easy to love Brock and I absolutely cheer for him every year even though I know better I still took him fairly early in my hockey pool last year because I'm always pulling for Brock.
For me I got on the trade Brock train during the bubble. He's just out there having fun playing pond hockey with his buddies like he plans to have a BBQ with the other team after the game. To me his point totals are fluctuating they go up they go down it doesn't matter. I feel the same about Kuzz and he just put up 40g a great guy no killer instinct. Pete Hughes Garland Hoglander these are your undersized skill guys with that pack mentality. If you surround them with guys like Miller, Schenn, Ferland, Max Lap, Rousell they will be dogs in the fight and we will grind out series wins.
I felt strongly that we should have traded high on Brock in 2020 and Kuzzmenko when we had the chance at the deadline. If we want to win a cup we have to build a team that to a man goes to war. Kuzmenko registered 2 hits in the final 24 games of the season. I don't expect either of them to become hitters but at least get a participation ribbon.
I'd rather score 2 goals and win than 6 and lose.
I agree to some extent. I do think Kuzmenko could be successful In playoff hockey. I don’t think physicality or dishing out hits will be his calling card. But I do think he has the hunger and drive to fight through the battles and get to those hard areas he lives in to score in the playoffs. I am hoping he comes into this camp stronger and more conditioned because it could really make a huge difference in his sustained success in the league or even hitting a higher level then he showed us last year.
we are coming into next year with a lot of IFs which I don’t love.
- IF OEL has a solid summer and rebounds from last year
- IF BOESER has a solid summer and comes into camp hungry and motivated and rebounds
- IF KUZMENKO doesn’t have a drop off
- IF MIKEHYEV knee rehab goes well and he comes into camp ready
- IF HRONEK fits in and is the impact dman we need
- IF PODKOLZIN takes a step and finds some consistency to his game
- IF HOGLANDER spent enough time in the AHL and is ready to be an NHL regular
- IF SPENCER MARTIN can be our back up, does Silovs push for it earlier than expected?
- IF BEAR takes a step, or just what we saw last year is who he is
- IF DEMKO can stay healthy with the game load he will probably have to ply to be a playoff team
then the offseason ifs
- IF we acquire a LHD that can kill penalties
- IF we acquire a 3C that can kill penalties and match up
- IF we move money out 2 of: MYERS/GARLAND/BOESER/OEL/BEAUVILLIER
- IF we acquire another RHD for our bottom pairing or for Hughes
whole lot of IFs
I agree I want guys ready for war. But I just want guys ready to compete. for kuzmenko that could be the hunger to score and to win puck battles. I do think you can be a competitor, hungry guy without hits. Not a common formula but Kuzmenko could be an effective playoff player especially when playing with petey and a forechecking winger.
i do want our roster to have guys in roles that fit their skill sets. This is what I’m hoping for most and I do feel they are building towards that.
and same with boeser I don’t expect hits from him. But I do want him sealing guys off, winning puck and board battles. He was actually quite effective at this and it’s beyond pond hockey level effort. But either way I’m rooting for him to rebound and if it turns into a better trade for us I’d be really happy.
we have far too many ifs to confidently say we will be a playoff team even if they acquire a 3C and a LHD to kill penalties. Really curious how our draft and off season goes, equally curious / nervous lol
im with you though I. The sense we have to have a team that’s COMPETITIVE AF. HUNGRY to win. We can’t have guys angry at hockey, questioning if they wanna play, soft on pucks, not drive to fight for pucks. We need that.
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On 5/25/2023 at 8:04 PM, hammertime said:
Possibly but at what cost. Do we miss the playoffs so Brock can pad his stats?
The reality is what you see is what you get. He's got great hockey IQ and knows how to put up points if surrounded by highly skilled players. But he's not suddenly going to come in faster or meaner. He's still going to be the guy you hope you line up against if you're on the other team.
I don’t know. There’s always been a reason for me to understand why Boeser has struggled when he has.
Even while going through his struggles, (emotional/physical/mental) he’s still produced points which in itself is impressive.
Last two years we’ve not seen his shot (ability to score from distance), confidence, winning puck battles, strong on boards, puck protection. Things he has shown us before.
Do I think he will come in next season with wheels absolutely not.
But if he’s able to have a full offseason, one where he’s dialed in, passionate about hockey and takes care of his off season checklist, comes into camp in the best shape of his life I think he could have quite a different year.
Miller is the perfect style player for Boeser to play with 5 on 5, with a solid F1 / forechecker on the other flank.
I do think Garland looked incredibly quicker once the coaching change happened. Even boeser. I feel like Tocchets system structure will help our slower forwards look faster by taking pucks with speed through the neutral zone and having players know where each other will be and where they are going.
im not gonna be like boeser is gonna get 40/50 he’s the next bossy this season but I do think he has an opportunity that he is capable of capitalizing on.
am I incredibly confident he will. No. But I do believe he can and I understand trading him right now doesn’t make sense unless an offer from an executive that absolutely loves him comes around.
i do Question even if he hits this season or rebounds in a way that impresses us all to some extent if it’s sustainable for him. He’s always got a reason. And we need a roster filled with guys that we can rely on season after season to put their best foot forward and have sustained success in the league.
im pulling for him and will stay optimistic. But if he comes out and has a bad start it will be hard to support him.
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2 hours ago, MeanSeanBean said:
Mik-Petey-Kuz
Beau-Miller,-Boeser
with what we currently have, that's my top 6
I think Beau and Mik could move around.
Miller-Boeser would really benefit more from Mikehyev.
But a 100% Healthy Mik with Petey and Kuz I do love.
I also wonder how Hoglander fits in this year.
I mean Hoglander-Miller-Boeser was our best line in the bubble year.
Here's all the most common rumours bundled into our roster projection:
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10 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:
Kuzmenko Pettersson Mikheyev
Barbashev Miller Boeser
Barbashev is signing here once we trade Garland and Beau...
IF Vegas wins the cup, and with his performances I dont see us being in the market.
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1 hour ago, BabychStache said:
I think Boeser is the odd man out. He’s also a good fit for Chicago.
I’m not moving down in a draft for a second round pick and moving boeser
thats tough
it would need to be a better deal for me
And could boeser rebuild his trade value this season ?
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On 5/23/2023 at 12:17 PM, DeNiro said:
I think we’d be crazy to trade him.
Watching these playoffs and he’s exactly the type of player you want if that’s the goal. He may be small but he goes to the net hard and drives D men crazy.
Beauviller or Boeser are replaceable players. Garly has that extra something in his tank.
Beuvillier has two playoff years under his belt where he performed very well and showed he has an extra gear
just saying out of those three he’d be my most expected to perform well
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1 hour ago, YearoftheNuck said:
Big game by Reinbacher yesterday. I’m still very high on this guy.
I don’t think he’s there for us at 11
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Canucks central sharing a trade proposal by Chicago media
proposing
Canucks 11th overall and a contract like Garland
for
chicago 19th and a high second so for this example 35th overall (as they have 4 second rounders)
As gross as it would be if the scenario was they drafted two bc boys at 1 and 11 and we contributed to it.
I think I would do it.
wed still get a high end prospect at 19 and we’d get a solid prospect at 35 and really help our forward mix and cap situation.
Interesting proposal though nonetheless
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31 minutes ago, Hairy Kneel said:
To be honest
I didn't care for his play.
I didn’t care for his level of conditioning he was winded every shift
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His summer just got a whole lot easier…
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4 hours ago, HighOnHockey said:I have Michkov ranked 2nd overall. Won't do anybody any good if he doesn't come over. I'm sure he will eventually but not being able to talk to him and gauge his intentions is worrisome. Most rebuilding teams are not in a position to risk wasting such a high pick.
It'll have to be a team with a heavy scouting presence with their ears to the ground in Russia. Kekalainen and Columbus come immediately to mind but 3rd overall would surprise me. Washington seems like a likely candidate. If he makes it past them he could free fall.
My biggest concern would be getting to know him as a person, what his character is etc it’s a huge investment and to not even be able to have that little interview in person seems tough.
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2 hours ago, hammertime said:
Made decision after talking with Keller. Who.
Clayton Keller's agents met with the Arizona Coyotes on Thursday to discuss the organization's future both on and off the ice.
Though there is no formal trade request from Keller at present, the forward's representatives Brian and Scott Bartlett met with the team to seek clarity about the future direction of the franchise, Elliotte Friedman reported in Friday's episode of 32 Thoughts: The Podcast.
I don't think for a second Cooley would be going back to NCAA if he had been drafted by a different team. All this unfinished buisness with the Gophers stuff seems like spin.
Lol that’s wild… I still think it will benefit him though in his transition
If he feels that way could he opt to push till UFA rather than sign an ELC and be Locked in there for long
KELLER IS LIKE STAY AWAY
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35 minutes ago, TheQuietQuitter said:
Oliver Moore joins the team next season and should provide a boost down the middle for them. Going on another Championship run as one of the team leaders doesn't hurt Cooley's development either.
I also think he wants 2 more off seasons and a year of physical maturity being physically stronger on top of those points will really help him
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13 hours ago, Pure961089 said:
I've seen a lot of top 10 mock drafts that look like this. If it ends up going like this the Canucks have Barlow, Wood, Danielson and ASP. Lots of choices at 11, either way can't wait to see who we get. 6 weeks away.
Scott Wheeler said something kind of interesting yesterday that Columbus could b very very high on Will Smith and some teams are higher on him then others.
I wonder if there is a world where:
BEDARD
CARLSSON
SMITH
FANTILLI
is possible.
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On 5/18/2023 at 9:57 AM, HighOnHockey said:
I wouldn't say that, no. He played mostly on a line with Matt Savoie so they couldn't focus on one or the other. The Blades just played a tight-checking game, clogged up the middle and cut down on time and space. Their coach was named WHL Coach of the Year, by the way.
OK well, less convinced about him than I am about Carlsson as a center. Carlsson has been centering Sweden's top line at this Men's World Championship, between Lucas Raymond and Jonaten Berggren. I was very early on the Carlsson hype train and also the Carlsson center train, so loving to see him play such a huge role for Sweden and arguably outperform Fantilli on this big stage.
Compared to Wood and Honzek, about whom there's been a lot of talk as potential centers, I prefer But's 200 foot hockey IQ, as well as his playmaking and distribution through the middle of the ice.
Here's a few clips of him carrying through the neutral zone, the first two from the 2021 Hlinka gold medal game, where he was under-aged (#25), and the next two from a game late this MHL regular season (#50). Be sure to watch the 4th clip through to the end; features some nifty hands in tight space and leads eventually to a goal.
But is such a big boy.
Its interesting cause he doesn't really hav any comparables that I can see.
I dont know even with this clips (thank you for sharing) its not enough for em to form an opinion.
He does seem like. Avery interesting prospect though.
If he turns out to be 6 ft 5 ++ impact RHC though that would be insane..
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On 5/18/2023 at 8:01 AM, Phat Fingers said:
Me, I am with Button on ASP.
I don’t see size as a problem either, as he is 5’11 and around 180lbs in his draft year.
Already bigger than Hughes.
He adds an inch or two he and twenty pounds in the next three to four years, he will have no issues in playing in the NHL with his agility and skating.
ASP
then
Reinbacher
then
Willander
Or a Center that can play in two years.
I am
Reinbacher
Willander
ASP
Right now but I aam fully comfortable and would bee happy if we took any three of them at this point.
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16 minutes ago, Rubik said:
Brad Treliving hire incoming?
trades Matthews for weegar and huberdau
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4 hours ago, HighOnHockey said:
I'm becoming more and more convinced that Carlsson and But are both centers in the NHL.
I think it's also likely Smith, Leonard, Moore will all be centers.
Wood, Honzek, Perreault, Benson I'm less convinced about.
But a Centre! Tell me more.
I really only have seen some highlights
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3 hours ago, Bure_Pavel said:
Tom Willander is probably the biggest wild card of this draft, he came out of no where ranked in the second round in most rankings to now being in some top 10's. Add the fact he is a RD and who knows whats going to happen. I still have him ranked second half of the first round due to the small sample size, but he looked really good at u18 tourney and has shown flashes of a solid NHL Dman in video.
I’m on the Willander train right now.
Leonard
Wood
Reinbacher
Willander
honestly Willander going to NCAA next year too and then AHL eligible quick he has an awesome North American development path in front of him and he shown so much this season.
Those four are kinda my wishlist for our spot unless a super obvious guy falls to us.
And I like Willander over ASP officially now.
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7 hours ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:
Complete opposite scouting reports wonder if that was on dvorsky and they watched different leagues or games cause he looked very different on different teams
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7 hours ago, HighOnHockey said:
Yeah for as long as I've known it LWOS has always been a pretty mediocre source. To me, the best you can ask for from fan/journalist/blogger scouts, is just give an accurate description of the player. I don't care if you're right about your rankings and predicting who's gonna be better than who, but you should at least be able to give an accurate assessment and be able to say why a player might fail and why they might succeed. For all the data they use and seemingly in-depth scouting reports, I find all too often LWOS just plain gets players wrong. The two that stood out to me were their write-ups on Cole Sillinger and Carson Lambos in 2021. They tried to call Cole Sillinger a one-dimensional goal-scorer when in reality he was also one of the best defensive forwards in the draft. They also tried to portray Lambos as a low-upside, stay-at-home defensive D, when actually he's a complex, flawed, but immensely skilled puck-moving defenseman.
I saw Benson play twice in person, for games three and four of the WHL Eastern Finals. I was not blown away. Saskatoon was playing a very tight-checking defensive game and there wasn't a lot of room to work with, and Benson didn't create a lot. The one thing I did like to see was that he also didn't hurt his team. He wasn't trying to force anything that wasn't there, just made the simple plays, tried to advance the puck into dangerous areas when possible. I don't think he'll be in my final top 10. I wouldn't be disappointed with him at 11, but there are some other players I'm more hopeful might be there.
I wouldn't take Cristall until near the end of the first round. Sure, he could turn out to be a very good player, but I'm not convinced the ceiling is high enough to justify the low floor.
i didn’t see those games at all the ones you saw in person but did it look like they gameplanned to shut Benson down really targeting him?
Ya honestly I just flipped through a few of the scouting reports they have on past drafts and this.. I mean they are fun to read but if you dig into them they are kinda fluff pieces and not that accurate.i can’t disagree I feel the same way about both right now.
im not wanting cristall I really think his skating is a serious risk on top of his size, and benson I agree I won’t be upset if we take him at 11 but I will be worried and I can see a world he drops a little. I do think he could fit in here in a line with JT-Mikehyev
I do think Benson is a better prospect and safer player to select than Cristall though.
ans if we pass and they end up being the BPA I won’t be super upset we really do need some high end skilled size it would be great if we could get a player with a decent frame.6 hours ago, Warhippy said:People gonna be hating me for this but
I have seen Cristall play a number of times in kelowna this year and have now seen a fair amount of tape detailing both positives and negatives of Benson and both kinda give me Schroeder vibes.
Sorry not sorry.
I expect long detailed reports of how I couldn't be any more wrong, but the same types of things I saw in schroeder are prominent in both of these players who are unquestionably skilled but both missing something that may not be teachable or translatable in to the pro game
Ya I’ve not been that high on cristall all year. I see what you see and I agree I don’t think his game will translate and if he gets picked high and rushed to the nhl even less likely. I’ve not seen him play live but I’ve spoken to some local kids who have seen him or played with him and they think he’s unbelievable but I’m just not seeing it. And I will happily pass. (If he ends up being the next Marty St. Louis please don’t quote me anyone I get lots wrong! Nikita scherbak still haunts me
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I’m not so sure. I’ve heard so much that internal teams scouts are pretty high on Simashev and Barlow.
Bobs final aggregate list form his teams scouts will be helpful I think in starting to have a better idea of who will be there at 11. But this draft could be absolutely filled with surprises.