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18 hours ago, Biasbieksa said:Out of curiosity, why was Gaudette drafted so low?
His draft year stat wise in the USHL wasn't very good. He only managed 30 points in 50 games. In comparison with other forwards drafted in the first round out of USHL that draft:
17th overall pick Kyle Connor: 71 points in 38 GP
21st overall pick Colin White: 17 points in 20 GP
23rd overall pick Brock Boeser: 68 points in 57 GP
However, Judd Brackett (head of amateur scout) at the time spent a lot of time scouting the USHL. He saw Gaudette doing everything right but just seems to be snake bitten and not getting the result. Perhaps it's bad bounces and bad luck, but at the time 30 points in 50 games is a lot lower in comparison to the ones I mentioned above. He wasn't thought of or ranked very high. In fact, go back to the first few pages when he first got drafted, most members on CDC wasn't high on him as well. He seem to really start figuring it out in the 2nd half of his first NCAA season and he never looked back from then. He had 30 points in 41 games in his freshman year with the Huskies, but 25 of the the 30 points came from the last 21 games of that season and he only managed 5 points in his frist 20 NCAA games. It seems like he figured it out early in his NCAA days, and kept the ball rolling ever since. It comes from good scouting, because our scouts saw him doing the right things and perhaps saw the potential and upside of him and decided to take a chance at him in the 5th round. In fact the Canucks also had a pick in pick #144 that year, the pick was just slightly above the pick they used to select Gaudette (Gaudette was selected 149), and they use that pick to select Carl Neill. Neill is no longer part of the organization and his playing hockey in the OUAA. So at the time, even the Canucks didn't have Gaudette rank so high as they chose to take Neill before selecting him. How good Gaudette is is still yet to be determined. NCAA stats cannot be much of an indicator for NHL success, some players seems to jump in a produce right away (Boeser), and some guys might struggle and never really find their game in the NHL (Zac Dalpe remember him?). I know this board gets overly hype (including myself) about Gaudette. But every time I get hyped up, my conciousness will tell me to tone down the expectations and see how he does when he comes in. Having seen interviews of him, I like the fire he has in himself and he seems to be the kind of guy that is very determined to be a NHL player and will work as hard as he could to achieve this goal. For that matter, I like his chances in the NHL.
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1 hour ago, Hutton Wink said:
Speaking of, wrong thread maybe but I don't think I've heard much said about Brady Tkachuk being one day away from the 2017 draft.
Brady Tkachuk's situation remind me a lot of Alex Nylander. Both with a father and older brother have successes in the NHL and a lot is expected out of him. Since his birthdate, he is almost as he is draft eligible last year, we can look at his stats this year, and compare it with some of the prospects' D+1 year. The stats he is putting up isn't quite as impressive (not as good as Mittlestadt or Poehling). I think he is overrated because of his last name.
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5 minutes ago, Darius71 said:
So in the end the Dutch Gretzky is responsible for us getting Gaudette....I love this stuff...:-)
Exactly. Every time Habs fan boast to me about how we gave them Weise for nothing and I just told them look up Adam Gaudette.
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Just now, -Vintage Canuck- said:
Kole Lind finishes with 2 goal, 1 assist today. He now has 78 points (31 goals, 47 assists) in 47 games.
Any words on his injury?
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7 hours ago, Rick Blight said:
An 18 year old Junior draft pick sits out 4 years he becomes a free agent as well. Why do we only see the NCAA route a a loophole?
Problem is an 18-year-old Junior can sign a professional contract and be send back to their Junior club and play there. You can't sign a NCAA player and then send them back to college. The Junior player can be signed and then sent back to his Junior team and his NHL club holds all the playing cards. While the NCAA player will simply attend prospects camps and then gets send back to his college hockey team without a professional contract. In this case, the NCAA player has a lot more leverage than the Junior player. Plus, the NCAA player has more of an incentive of playing all 4 years, because he is attending school in the same time. Four full years means he gets his degree (these players often get scholarships for their contribution in sports and it's like having a free college education and it is a huge plus). Meanwhile, Junior players don't get paid for playing in Junior and they are much more eager to get out of Junior and turn professional so they can start to make some income. In this case, a Junior player is less likely to hold out and wait until his 4th year to become a free agent. In many ways, there are a lot more advantages for the NCAA player to wait 4 years than the Junior player and NCAA players holds more leverage when it comes to contract negotiation with their NHL teams who own their rights.
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Going to watch Kole Lind tomorrow night live when the Rockets visit the Royals! Will wear my Canucks colour at the game!
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Way too many people on this board gets to hung up on Sergachev because of the offensive point totals he is putting up. Sergachev step into a perfect situation in Tampa Bay. Where he can be groom by their veteran defensive core lead by Viktor Hedman. If you look at the ice-times for the the 6 Tampa Bay D-men who played atleasat 41 Games this season, Sergachev is 6th among that group in terms of ice time per game, only average at 15:53, which is even lower than Braydon Coburn. Cooper in Tampa Bay knows Sergachev's defensvie deficiency as he is still developing his 200 ft game, he uses Sergachev as a PP sepcialist, and shelter his ice-time. Recently, he was even a healthy scratch in one of the games they played.
If Sergachev were to be here, he would not have the right players to groom and shelter him and his weaknesses will be exposed much more. He would be exciting to watch when he is with the puck, but when you want him to defend a 2 on 1 or 3 on 2 situation, he will likely get burned a lot (considering how many odd-man rushes against we are getting every game, Sergachev will probably already be south of -15 if he plays here).
I am not trying to bash on Sergachev and I have no doubt when he rounds out his game, he will be a fantastic player in the future. However, that does not mean Olli Juolevi is not a good player. The two simply play 2 different style of game. Olli Juolevi is the smooth, safe and quick transitioning game where Sergachev is more explosive and adventurous with the puck and joins the rush more. For regular every day fans who just wants to watch some run and gun hockey with lots of offense, they will probably think Sergachev is the better player. However, Olli's game style is a style the coaches like a lot more. He got the offense in him (he is actually on an historic pace when it comes to teenage D-man's points per game in the Finnish league) and he can also play very well defensively. If the team is down a goal with 2 minutes left in the 3rd, the coach will throw him out there to help create a chance to generate the tying goal. If the team is up a goal with less than 2 minutes left, he will probably be out there the full 2 minutes to defend and limit the opposition's chances to attack.
They are essentially 2 very different players happens to be playing in the same position. I am not saying Olli is better than Sergachev or Sergachev is better than Olli. It is still way too early to tell. Defenseman takes time to develop in most cases, and some are more ready than the other at a young age. Just ask Oilers fans a couple years back, they probably would of said in 2013 they should of drafted Ristolainen instead of Nurse. However, Nurse prove to be a late boomer and if you ask the Oilers fans now, the answer would be very different. Simply, we will be patience with Olli Juolevi. His style of play is perfect for a modern day defenseman. Smooth skating, good vision and tremenouds hockey sense always making the safe play. He may be better than Sergachev in his prime or he may be not. Right now, it is too early to draw to a conclusion. Just because once already made it to the NHL doesn't mean he is the better player. We simply just have to be patient and support our guy.
Using perfect hindsight, the only D-man drafted after Juolevi that I think the Canucks should of selected is probably Charlie McAvoy in Boston (he was drafted 14th overall, and is the 4th defenseman selected in his draft). But that is hindsight, everybody can build a dynasty team with hindsight drafting. Just like atleast 15+ GMs in the 2015 draft would be kicking themselves for not have used their pick to select Boeser. I don't think we selected the wrong guy in Olli Juolevi, we simply should not come up with a conclusion until we have seen all these guys make it to the NHL and have played a minimum of 300 Games each before we come up with any conclusion.
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Going to the game tomorrow will be fun. I am gonna hope to be part of the "MVP" chant
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1 hour ago, The 5th Line said:
Maybe he just isn't good enough to make the team?
How come every time someone doesn't make a team it's politics? Is the whole planet against the Vancouver Canucks?
Politics because OJ was the captain of team Finland's World Junior in 2016 when he host a player only meeting, boycotting the coaching staffs after 3 straight losses, which resulted in the firing of Team Finland's head coach. He was the captain and was seen as a rebel and the Finnish hockey associates might dislike him because of it. It is more of politics against OJ rather than politics against the Canucks. Regardless of which NHL team OJ was drafted by, he would probably miss the Olympics because of his actions in the 2016 World Juniors. It was also the reason why as last year's captain, OJ wasn't even given a letter in this year's World Juniors.
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22 hours ago, Odd. said:
Lol Gaudette beaver tapped at least 20 times in on one PP. Looked quite frustrated that his teammate didn't pass to him. Guy has a bit of an attitude eh.
We need some of that attitude in our line-up.
Man, he is gonna love playing with Alex Edler on the PP
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Man, congrats to him! Just imagine him on a line with McDavid at the All Stars games, they could lead Pacific Division to win it all and bring in an extra $1 million for all the players tos hare.
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47 minutes ago, flickyoursedin said:
I think the only reason people pencil him in as the 3rd line centre is because fans see Pettersson and Horvat being the top 6 centres. I’m an optimist when it comes to Gaudette and I see him as a top 6 player. I think between Pettersson and Gaudette one of them gets pushed to the wing and they both play in the top 6. It’s not uncommon to have more than one capable centre on a line. I think Philly had 2 centres per line back in the Richards, Carter and Giroux era.
I see him as 3rd line center who can play top 6. Reason being, successful contenders are very deep down the middle. And the best situation for the Canucks is to have a dynamite offensive top line made up of Pettersson and Boeser (Pettersson as the 1st line center) and be the primary line for offense. Bo Horvat centering the 2nd line who can also score but also takes more of a defensive responsibility. Gaudette would do pretty much the same, centering a 3rd line, but a 3rd line that is dangerous and can take advantage of weaker opposition lines. That gives the team atleast 3 lines that are threats to score. Gaudette will also get Powerplay time to rack up the offense. He can still get 20 goals and 50 points as a 3rd line center.
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Hope Canada wins 4-3 tomorrow and Pettersson gets all 3 goals for Sweden (maybe Gadjovich with one if the Canadian goals as well), then that will be the ideal result for tomorrow
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We still live in a world that the last name is more important than the actual performance. Oh well EP, you are our MVP
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9 minutes ago, Odd. said:4 minutes ago, 48MPHSlapShot said:
This tournament has really soured me on him. He has 1 goal 5 assists, but from what I can tell, it's all due to what his teammates are doing on the PP. He coughs up the puck constantly and whenever he takes a shot, he usually just shoots it into someone's skates and kills the play.
Definitely showed signs why he didn't do very well translating his game to the professional level. He can take advantage of junior players on weaker national teams, but a lot of the mistakes he made and decision with puck is very glaring. He gets so much attention because of his father and brother's success in the NHL.
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Olli should of tried the move he did in prospects camp instead of just shooting
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Now heading to a shootout, what a stupid way to determine who advances! I understand the necessary of shootouts in group games/regular season games form time contraints, but when it's round robin/playoffs, let them play until somebody scores.
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The way TSN has been talking up Juolevi this game, it's almost like he is a Leafs prospect
But he is playing a very solid game today
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1 minute ago, Brad Marchand said:
Juolevi seems to play his best hockey when the games matter. People can hand-wring about him not putting up cheap points against Denmark or Slovakia. I'd much rather see him shine when his team really needs it.
That. And also I think he is a guy that really stress on don't want to give up a goal against (hence playing defense) when he was on the ice. And at the start of the tournament he is still getting used to his new team and a new system, he rather plays it safe and focus on not giving up goals before thinking to create offence. And as soon as he starts to figure out the system and get some chemistry with his teammates, he starts to do more and generate more offence.
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What a shot by Olli!
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8 minutes ago, rekker said:
To me OJ is the best Fin D. You could argue Heiskinan is and you could be right. What I don't get is OJ's time in ice. I would play him more if I was coaching. The winning goal went in on the third pairing D with a minute half left. WTF. I would of played the top two pairs for the last 2 or 3 sets of $&!#s of the game. Even the games in general. I would sit the third pairing way more.
He ended up with an assist and a +2 rating. Pretty solid game from him all around. It must sting to have lose the game with minutes left in regulation after working so hard to tie the game. They could atleast use a point to face a weaker opposition in first round of the elimination.
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3 minutes ago, Ihatetomatoes said:
That was bizarre. Coach had his 3rd pairing out against USA's top line with a few minutes to go. I don't think it was after an icing or there was any reason for it.
Willie D coaching style
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1 minute ago, Butters Stoch said:
What'd he say?
7 minutes ago, Odd. said:I feel like he's too bitchy sometimes. Juolevi took a shot on a PP and he was raving why would Juolevi shoot from there, easy save for the goalie blah blah blah. "I'm beginning to question whether or not Juolevi has any creative skills", Then they talk about how Juolevi looks disinterested in last years and this year's tournament. Just the constant nagging.
2 minutes ago, ruilin96 said:He also went on the criticize Heisakanen for doing the same thing, shooting from the perimeters on the PP. To me the downfall for Finland is not enough skill forwards to work with the stack D they have got. A lot of the times, these offensive minded defenseman often felt the pressure to generate offense themselves. Hence that's why they are shooting more and hope to get one in.
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4 minutes ago, Odd. said:
I feel like he's too bitchy sometimes. Juolevi took a shot on a PP and he was raving why would Juolevi shoot from there, easy save for the goalie blah blah blah. "I'm beginning to question whether or not Juolevi has any creative skills", Then they talk about how Juolevi looks disinterested in last years and this year's tournament. Just the constant nagging.
He also went on the criticize Heisakanen for doing the same thing, shooting from the perimeters on the PP. To me the downfall for Finland is not enough skill forwards to work with the stack D they have got. A lot of the times, these offensive minded defenseman often felt the pressure to generate offense themselves. Hence that's why they are shooting more and hope to get one in.
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Kole Lind | RW
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Heponiemi gets to play with Steenbergen (it would of been his D+1 year by birth) and Gawdin (20-year-old drafted in 2015) while Lind's linemates are Topping, Twarynski, Mattson or Foote. Most of Lind's linemates are yet to be drafted, and none of them socre close to the point per game of Heponiemi's linemates (and for those of you wondering, Dillon Dube does not play on the same line as Lind, they are only out there together for the PP). Lind is basically carrying the offence for the Rockets alone. He was getting the Boeser treatment down in the AHL by opposition. Whenever he has the puck, they try to box him out and not give him any shooting late. What his doing is very impressive.