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2 hours ago, Devron said:
I’m gonna go as far to say along with Hughes, Stillman has looked (recently) like the only other NHL defencemen on this blueline
you have been watching the AHL too long
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2 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said:
Never thought I would see the day that Stillman has more value than Dermott. The trade that didn't make sense at all was trading a 3rd round pick for Dermott...
One more minus in the Allvinie column
wasn't Allvin's first move, trading Hamonic
and before the shine of that deal had faded he immediately went out and wasted the profit
Kinda reminds me of Ol Jimmer swinging the Kesler deal, only to waste all his gains on that deal too
oh, how things remain the same in Canuckleville
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2 hours ago, AnthonyG said:
2019-20 Vancouvers PK - 80.5% 16th overall
After losing a wave of Dmen in Tanev, Edler and Stetcher….2020-21 Vancouvers PK 79.8% 17th overallAfter losing a wave of forwards such as Beagle, Sutter, Roussel, Eriksson… 2021-22 Vancouvers PK was 65% up until the coaching changes and our goalies starting to play better. Once that took effect, our PK actually increased to over 80% to finish the season, but overall our PK finished with 75%
2022-23 - PK is 65.6% dead last.
Our biggest impact was losing forwards, we had little to no adjustments to make the following season after Tanev, Edler and Stecher left. The season after Beagle, Roussel, Sutter and Eriksson were gone, we saw a DRASTIC drop in PK and dzone coverage.
Most offence on a PP runs through the point and a one-timer option, which is on the forwards to deal with. The D just tie guys up down low and help the goalie see the puck, try to take away passing lanes down low and just make it hard to get pucks in close to the goalie. The forwards are responsible for taking care of incoming shots and high slot/one-timer areas. To eliminate the actual threat.
Forwards have a MUCH bigger impact in the dzone than you and many others truly understand. Point shots getting through traffic is the hardest shot for a goalie to stop with the sea of bodies to try and track the puck. You go and look at the last few games there have been plenty of examples of shots from the point getting through and beating our goalies.
Our players also need to trust our goalies, but we cant. Every time we let a bad goal in, it cripples team moral and confidence, because we are constantly letting in 1 bad goal a game that is the goalies fault directly. Hard to win games when you arent getting the easy saves.
its a team game and it takes EVERYONE in the dzone to get the job done. So quit looking at only the D, the forwards are extremely guilty and a shooter tutor has a better sv% than our goalies.
when people say that the Canucks are a collection on pieces and not a team
I think you have shown what that means
Edler ands Tanev were a defensive pair
before them it was Bieksa and Hamhius
Luke Schenn is one half of a defensive pair
Hughes tries, but can be outmuscled
Bear, OEL, Kaos Giraffe and Stiller are mostly way out of position
as you mentioned Beagle, Loui, Rooster and Sutter were defensive forwards
rumour has it that Dicky was a defensive forward and that Lazar is now
I think Lazar is a "defensive forward" only because he cannot score points ( defensive by default)
Remember when there was talk about "Mentoring" a great JB catchphrase
weren't B,L,R + S meant to mentor the likes of Horvat on the finer points of defensive coverage?
I have to think that good coaching might have helped that plan along
that is why I have some hope that Foote (if he can actually coach) will have a positive effect
at least he is not Willie/Green/Baumer
I just hoe he is not another Doug Lidster,
that guy could play defense, but he just couldn't coach it
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.I have been thinking that I do not recall OEL as a stand out performer
So I went looking to see what I had missed
Here it is, OEL's best season
9 years before the big trade
no wonder he is not what we'd hoped
he never was
fyi that is 2012-13
James Norris Memorial Trophy
- Top Defenseman
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Place Player Age Tm Pos Votes Vote% 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th G A PTS +/- OPS DPS GPS PS 1 P.K. Subban 23 MTL D 1266 71.12 66 56 35 12 3 11 27 38 12 4.3 2.9 0.0 7.1 2 Ryan Suter 28 MIN D 1230 69.10 65 54 34 8 8 4 28 32 2 2.4 3.6 0.0 6.0 3 Kris Letang 25 PIT D 914 51.35 31 37 42 39 18 5 33 38 16 3.7 2.6 0.0 6.3 4 Francois Beauchemin 32 ANA D 290 16.29 1 6 20 33 39 6 18 24 19 2.0 3.8 0.0 5.8 5 Zdeno Chara 35 BOS D 289 16.24 10 9 16 8 22 7 12 19 14 1.5 3.7 0.0 5.2 6 Duncan Keith 29 CHI D 281 15.79 1 8 16 36 27 3 24 27 16 2.1 3.4 0.0 5.5 7 Oliver Ekman-Larsson 21 PHX D 79 4.44 3 1 2 8 8 3 21 24 5 1.6 2.8 0.0 4.3 8 Shea Weber 27 NSH D 49 2.75 0 1 4 5 7 9 19 28 -2 2.6 2.7 0.0 5.3 9 Drew Doughty 23 LAK D 43 2.42 0 1 2 7 5 6 16 22 4 1.6 3.3 0.0 4.9 10 Niklas Kronwall 32 DET D 33 1.85 0 2 1 3 5 5 24 29 -5 2.4 2.4 0.0 4.8 11 Dion Phaneuf 27 TOR D 28 1.57 0 1 1 4 4 9 19 28 -4 2.7 1.9 0.0 4.6 12 Keith Yandle 26 PHX D 27 1.52 0 0 0 6 9 10 20 30 4 3.2 2.4 0.0 5.6 13 Andrei Markov 34 MTL D 23 1.29 1 0 1 1 5 10 20 30 -9 3.0 1.4 0.0 4.5 14 Alex Pietrangelo 23 STL D 23 1.29 0 2 0 2 3 5 19 24 0 1.8 3.1 0.0 4.9 15 Dustin Byfuglien 27 WPG D 13 0.73 0 0 1 2 2 8 20 28 -1 2.8 1.9 0.0 4.7 16 Dan Hamhuis 30 VAN D 9 0.51 0 0 1 1 1 4 20 24 9 1.9 3.2 0.0 5.0 17 Mike Green 27 WSH D 6 0.34 0 0 0 1 3 12 14 26 -3 3.2 1.3 0.0 4.5 18 Erik Karlsson 22 OTT D 5 0.28 0 0 1 0 0 6 8 14 8 1.7 1.9 0.0 3.6 18 Brooks Orpik 32 PIT D 5 0.28 0 0 1 0 0 0 8 8 17 -0.3 2.9 0.0 2.5 20 Kimmo Timonen 37 PHI D 5 0.28 0 0 0 1 2 5 24 29 3 2.7 2.6 0.0 5.2 21 Dennis Seidenberg 31 BOS D 4 0.22 0 0 0 1 1 4 13 17 18 1.0 3.8 0.0 4.9 22 Dan Girardi 28 NYR D 2 0.11 0 0 0 0 2 2 12 14 -1 0.4 2.3 0.0 2.7 23 Paul Martin 31 PIT D 1 0.06 0 0 0 0 1 6 17 23 14 2.2 2.4 0.0 4.6 23 Sheldon Souray 36 ANA D 1 0.06 0 0 0 0 1 7 10 17 19 1.6 3.4 0.0 4.9 23 Lubomir Visnovsky 36 NYI D 1 0.06 0 0 0 0 1 3 11 14 12 0.9 2.6 0.0 3.6 -
33 minutes ago, jyu said:
It's not that we love our 4th liners...
It's just that our current 4th liners are worse than the guy that is "small and oft injured", "out of the league", "46 games last year (oft injured) 46 games this year in the A.. can't make a mediocre StL team".
Pathetic state we are in considering the 4th liners we had back in the days.
I think they are all pretty bad
but
if you go to last summer, 90% of the line ups posted had Highmore, Lammikko and Motte
even though Motte was already gone and Lammi and High were unsigned
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5 hours ago, Gawdzukes said:
Pussies ... they suck at hockey anyways. Good riddance.
why is no one talking about Cole Lind?
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git er done JB
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5 hours ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:
The Studebaker centering the 2nd line!!!
woot
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5 hours ago, Ghostsof1915 said:
If there was anyone to be renewed it was Tanev, even with his injury history.
But Benning's blundering messed things up.
In hindsight he should have traded Jake and Gaudette for whatever he could.
The $5 million or so saved, could have at least taken care of Tanev.
They would have had to move Brock or other moves to keep Toffoli, who seemed like a good fit.
I'm ok with letting Markstrom go.
The funny part is he dug himself a deeper and deeper hole when he trying to fix things.
that is the funny part
I am not sold on Allvin, but I wonder where we'd be if Ol Jimmer was around for another year?
shuttlers
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4 hours ago, AK_19 said:We were in last place for our PK in the league last year with Lamikko + Highmore. If they were so good they'd still have jobs in the NHL. Nic Dowd was the PKer we also pissed away. Beagle + Motte is the last good PK duo we had.
I really don't understand the love for the 4th liners around here
Motte - small , oft injured
Lammikko - out of the league
Highmore - 46 games last year (oft injured) 46 games this year in the A.. can't make a mediocre StL team
Lockwood - small oft injured
Joshua - kinda soft, 3rd worst - on team
for some reason no one love Petan
now falling in love with Gino Odjick, I can understand,
but there seems to be an unnatural love for small oft- injured 4th liners
I don't get it
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On 2/14/2023 at 5:44 AM, Maginator said:
I'd take any of Lammikko, Highmore, Motte over Lazar and Studnicka to be honest.
Studnicka still has potential to grow but I'm not sold on Lazar.
I'd take Di Giuseppe over all of them
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1 hour ago, stawns said:
it was Tanev's time to go, he simply couldn't stay healthy in Van and there was no point in shelling out the dollars needed to retain him if he couldn't stay in the lineup
Tanev played more games than Bo Horvat and OEL since the bubble
and he signed for $4.5M
and his contract is up after next season
still a better choice than OEL
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19 minutes ago, Muttley said:
You are sooooooooooo right. Many folks sometimes forget the obsession JB had in acquiring this comfortably paid defenseman. I see some defending him but I cannot,
OEL could do so much more. It's now been the same under three Canuck coaches. Benning , like you say, didn't get him the first time so Nate Schmidt came around
these parts. He finally got his man but it's just another long list of ill advised acquisitions throughout recent years. Thing is that really crumbles the cookie is he floats
too much. Has become an even more perimeter player, takes looooong shifts, finds himself almost out at the blue line when the critical action is around his own netminder,
Never, or hardly never, shows emotion. That's a big one for me. I understand he's ok in the dressing room. Praise the hockey lords.
I will admit to not paying much attention to OEL before he came to Vancouver
but last season he took a real beating, both dishing hits on bigger guys at taking shots after the whistle
I thought he showed emotion last season
I felt last year that guys liked to pick on him, possibly because he was the best player on Arizona and getting him off his game was enough to beat that team
or maybe its the cowlick
if he took as much abuse for ten years in Arizona as he did last season, I can see why he'd be worn out
and then there is the fact that he might toil his whole career on terrible teams,
maybe that is why he is currently 'checked out'
there was talk a month back about New Jimmy wanting out
Vancouver is a hard place to play/manage, not because the fans/media are terrible, but because we are fed up with incompetence
how would it be to be OEL, toiling away in Arizona, hoping to some day get out and win some games, only to land in Vancouver right in the middle of a melt down, and be the center of attention for a contract you signed 5 years ago in Arizona, (where you were the best player)
I wonder about Bo Horvat, in much the same situation,
9 years watching and learning futility, only to be traded to the Isles with 10+, 30+year old players
Horvat could find himself in a rebuild in NY within a year or two
I look at Chychrun on the trade block, he may excel if he goes to a good team like Boston or Tampa, or might fail if he is expected to lead a bad team
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2 hours ago, spook007 said:
If he has the ability to pick out talents, it would be odd not to use his ability.
That does not mean he shouldn't trust and use his scouts, but why on earth would you suddenly take the blind passenger seat, if you can drive?yes but isn't the prez involved in other things
Didn't Gillis work to get the Canucks a better schedule?
and hasn't that collapsed since he left
(take next week as an example)
I would think a good scouting GM should also have the task of finding like minded, skilled scouts
that was not Gillis' forte, he was an agent, and he brought in Gilman, that most fans were happy with
Gillis did fail at reshaping the scouting staff
Benning was the scout, but he failed at picking/ retaining quality scouts
if you are a great typist, you don't become president and retain your spot in the typing pool
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25 minutes ago, Canuck You said:
Gillis brought in players like Hamuis , Lappy, Torress, Ehrhoff, Higgy.......who were all instrumental in that run.
nope, those guys could have been Megna, Chaputie, Vey, Pouliot and the Kaos Giraffe and we'd have done just fine
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10 hours ago, iinatcc said:
Ummm
the King live by different rule than the rest of us
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9 minutes ago, CanucksJay said:
After I wrote what I did regarding Tanev, I thought about that disaster offseason after the bubble run.
We chose Demko and let Markstrom walk. We lay Tanev go. Picked JV over Taffoli
Here's the thing. Tanev is doing exactly what we thought he would do which is... Get injured.
In 2022, he missed 4 playoff games and was probably one of the reasons flames got bounced. This year he is on LTIR and missing him may be a reason why flames miss the playoffs.
We let him go because he wasn't durable enough. It was never a question of whether he was good enough.
As for Markstrom, flames have no idea what to do because he's locked in to a long contract and underperforming badly. They are now looking at splitting time with vladar... For a 6m goalie signed long term until 2026...
Maybe the right moves were made?
Still doesn't excuse the OEL trade but basically the flames took the guys we decided to let go and now they are having problems...
fair enough
I never wanted OEL and forcasted his situation last year when he took a beating most nights
I was never in love with Markstrom
and Tanev's injury history was always a concern
So, keeping them past the trade deadline was the mistake
In that regard, trading Horvat before its too late give Allvin the leg up on JB for the moment anyway
I'm scoring it
Benning...................................................................................................Allvin
- Trading for Miller (causing the next 3 mistakes) - not trading Miller
- not moving Tanev - signing Miller a year early
- Not trading Markstrom - not low balling Boeser or letting him walk
- trading for Toffoli - trading a 2nd with Dickinson
(to protect the Miller pick) + trading Horvat
- trading for OEL (+Garland) + signing Kuzy, twice
- losing a 1st for OEL
-trading for and signing Dicky
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38 minutes ago, OldFaithfulCap said:
There's lots of middle ground here:
1) It is too early to predict Tocchet will fail in Vancouver based on these limited games.
2) It is not too early to evaluate the direction that Tocchet wants the team to be based on his statements, actions and past history and make assumptions that he won't be successful.
3) It's fine to question Tocchet early as Bruce didn't even have a full season with the team.
4) Some coaches start slow and get better and some like Torts are dinosaurs who haven't adapted. Tocchet is not a young coach and played in a different era so there are some concerns.
I am all for giving a short leash
but I try to be negative only 90% of the time
I'm using my 10% positivity on Tocchet
but unfortunately that doesn't leave any left for management, who lost me last deadline and further lost me signing Boeser and Miller
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4 minutes ago, Wolfgang Durst said:
uncle Jim let Tanev walk because they already had an agreement in place with Tyler Myers to come to Vancouver as a free agent. Uncle Jim mentioned that they want to get bigger at the blueline. He thought Myers is a great fit with his size and reach at the right side. Tanev's departure had nothing to do with OEL, because OEL plays on the left side compared to Tanev who played the right side.
Myers and Tanev overlap by a year
they both played in the bubble
Did Ol Jimmer forget that he signed Myers and spent the summer of 2020 trying to sign him again
that sort of makes sense actually
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42 minutes ago, johngould21 said:
I would certainly hope the Abby Canucks and the big Canucks are playing the same system, so to make it a seamless transition if callups are needed. Is Tocchet trying to change the system for the organization? Usually you see a bump in a team with a new coaching staff. All I've seen is him playing hardball with Kuzmenko and rewarding Miller, Boeser, and Garland.
how would you like to be jeremy Colliton this year?
Hired as Baby Canuck coach, but the Prez backstabs the Canucks head coach,
tough to be on the same page with Bruce when its obvious that Bruce isn't here for the long term
So, what system is Colliton trying to mesh with?
then Tocchet comes in, and doesn't have time to practice with his own players let alone set a system for Colliton to follow
tough gig
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2 hours ago, CanucksJay said:
Yeah I definitely gave our guys too much credit.
Now I see how difficult it is to get quality top 4 D men.
Sakic did a masterful job getting a guy like Toews for a 2nd.
We obviously didn't realize what we had in Tanev and let him go for free. The work required seems daunting...
We need to upgrade on OEL, Myers AND add another top 4.
OEL might be able to play 4D but his lack of foot speed is starting to really Show.
the funny/sad part of losing Tanev is that JB wanted OEL sooo sooo so bad that he let Tanev walk while pursuing His Man.
the OEL trade was so important that it took Ol Jimmer an extra year to complete the deal
And here we are 1.5 years after the trade and not only does losing Tanev look like a mistake
gaining OEL looks like a bigger mistake
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4 hours ago, canuckleheads fan said:
No, really, Tocchet sucks as a HC, he's never had any real success anywhere, and he was a massive failure in Tampa. How do you not make the playoffs with the roster they were icing when he was there? Stamkos, St. Louis, Lecavalier all playing 82 games and he missed the playoffs, and his successor takes that same team to the third round? He sucks!
Have you actually looked at the team Tocchet took over in 2009?
yes there is Lecav and Marty, and an 18 year old Stamkos
BUt after that its pretty thin
also 2 players played over 80 games and 6 more played over 70
in his 2 years (1.75) he is coaching with a bunch of rookie assistants and in year 2 he has an associate coach (talk about trust issues) who is really a long time assistant
Lots of coaches take a couple of tries before figuring it out
Or do you have another reason for the hate-on you seem to have for Tocchet?
Sand in your face, kicked your dog, stole your girlfriend???
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7 hours ago, Drakrami said:
Playing Stillman for 22 minutes.. Tocchet "gets it" heheh.
We're now sitting on a top 5 pick. Am I sure glad Benning didn't trade our 2023 1st away.
or Allvinie
too bad about that 2nd though
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1 hour ago, NewbieCanuckFan said:
hey, I'm a lovable loser!
I have actually been calling the Canucks that since about 2000
some times I call them "My Lovable Friends"
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[Report] Canucks recall Christian Wolanin, place Travis Dermott on IR
in Canucks Talk
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I was with you right up until you said "Isles 1st in play"
this team has way too many holes to be trading 1sts
like a 3rd line
and a 4th line and a couple of big, fast space makers on the top 2 lines
we are never going to trade for 3 top 4 defensemen