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Maybe to you. But for the rest of the league? You get my point.

Not really worth repeating, because it doesn't mean anything.

I'm sure you sang the same tune when we had guys like Burrows, Kesler and Lapierre on this team doing the same thing.

You don't have to be a complete homer to be a true fan. Get over yourselves.

Great effort in the 3rd. IF goaltending stands on its head, we have a chance. It's about as simple as that.

I don't mind Myers as a player, but (as much as some people don't like it) the reality of the cap world is that each player is evaluated not by their performance but by their performance weighed against their cap-hit. That's what I've been researching on this very slow Saturday but it's really impossible to figure out given all the variables. Just as an example, apparently Ekholm is available out of Nashville but who knows what actually ends up happening. The Preds could trade him, or they could make a deal with Seattle in which they give up something else to keep Ekholm, or perhaps they find a way to protect 4 D-men. I don't know who is available at this deadline and in the upcoming summer and what the price will be, but our GM would. What we do know is that there definitely will be quality players available one way or another, that's just how the musical chairs will work out, and I hope we take advantage of that instead of protecting this draft's version of Gudbranson and Granlund (whoever that may be).

Yes, of course. In a vacuum he'd be replaced by Chatfield, for example, which is obviously a downgrade. But that's an extremely shallow way of evaluating the situation. Are we better with Myers than without given the current alternate options? Probably, but that doesn't mean that shedding his contract isn't the best-case scenario. See my post just before yours here.

Hawks did the same thing with Kane, and IIRC that was the 2015 season in which they won their last Cup. It's not "right" but it's a loophole in the CBA and you can't blame them for taking advantage of it. We would want the Canucks to do the same thing if we were in that position.

Just wish the GM in place this summer has something up his sleeve better than "protect Markus Granlund" (as another poster also pointed out earlier in this thread) this time around. There is really only 1 D-man and 4 forwards we have to protect, the rest are optional depending on how things shake out: So many options available. A shrewd GM would be salivating thinking about what he could concoct. There are teams out there looking for players to expose, and we have 5 forwards and 1 D-man available that are eligible (assuming they put Juolevi in 12 more games). There are also teams out there that will need to shed a good player so that he isn't taken by Seattle for free, but won't be able to get full value for said player in a trade because other teams know he has to be shipped out. Exposing Myers not only gives us a chance at shedding his contract but also fills our exposure requirement so that we don't have to trade an asset to acquire someone that could be exposed (this is assuming they aren't planning to give Juolevi his 12 games and then expose him lol). We need a piranha at the helm. e/ Just remembered we also protected Gudbranson when Theodore was on the market. Jesus Christ lol.

You're still comparing Sbisa vs Myers directly which I'm not, which I explained in the post you quoted. Replace Sbisa's name with any player at any position that gets more ice-time than he should.

I disagree about him as a winger. I think he plays better at C. That said, perhaps it works with him on Bo's wing. Did they play on the same line in London?

Problem is he's a skill/offensive first center and we already have EP and Bo to do that. What we desperately need is a top end bottom-6 C that you can rely on to not drown under tough minutes, and perhaps even put up some offense (not an easy player to find, but that is what we need).

I've had these, and they are indeed startling. Can't remember one off the top of my head but even if I did, probably not safe to share. Although some people on this forum won't agree, I am trying to maintain my status as a civil member of society.

He's not the only one in the organization that could use a whipping. Seriously though: I got flack here for crapping on Sbisa, I got flack here for crapping on Gudbranson, and I get flack for crapping on any current player that isn't performing either due to their own ineptitude (or inefficiency related to cap) or the ineptitude of the person responsible for them being here. C'est la vie. We'll keep on keepin' on. e/ To be clear, not saying Myers is in the Sbisa/Gudbranson category, just that some people here have a real issue when you call a spade a spade.

Counterpoint: Ferland

Yeah, I don't think Dumba is the RHD we target given what we need vs. his playstyle. That Tanev guy would be a good fit. Doubt he's available though.

I understand that our D is already not great and there's not much coming (unless someone like Rathbone or Woo really makes a jump) but cap space / flexibility / opportunity cost is important, too, which IMO this management team has absolutely no idea about. So the question is, is that 6M better served as open space that we can do whatever we want with whenever we want? or should it be tied up in Myers because quality D-men are hard to find, especially for our current GM? But there are two important factors to consider: 1) The expansion draft and how some teams are in a pickle with how they must expose/trade away a quality D-man - we should be taking advantage of this. 2) We're likely not going to be any good next season, either, just because of how the cap works out. That means, if Seattle takes Myers, we have roughly a full calendar year to play with that 6M and figure out what we're going to do to replace Myers for 2022. Remember that because of open space, we were able to gobble up a quality player in Schmidt for basically free. Now it wasn't necessary "open space" because it meant we lost Tanev, but in the future with better planning and cap management, I'm hoping we can weaponize cap space in a similar way without losing assets at the same time as some of us have been clamouring for for about, well, 7 years.

Sbisa played almost 19 minutes per game over the 3 years he was here. My point is not that Sbisa and Myers are equal players but instead that just because a player plays a lot, it doesn't necessarily mean he's good or should be playing that much. In other words, "Myers plays a lot" isn't enough of a reason to justify this cap-hit.

Hard to say. This team likely looks very different than it is now if we had to work in OEL's cap. But if he played here like he has been in Arizona so far (not great), it wouldn't have been a good look for Benning.

They should. But to protect and keep said player, not expose him.

Sutter and Edler are both UFA's and not a chance Seattle takes either Beagle or Holtby based on their production vs. cap-hit. They'll be trying to ice a competitive team, not do us favors.

Which is an indictment on the GM (not Chatfield or any other player who is put into a role/position that he cannot succeed in) and the horrific job he's done putting a "defense" together over 7 years. I agree. Problem is Gudbranson is being paid 4M more than what he's worth thanks to the aforementioned GM. Yikes.

No, what's "cracked" is how many people here are emotionally tied at the hip to the bad-average players on a bad team.

Myers is not an irreplaceable player, and his cap-hit makes him desirable to move. Myers' spot should be ideally filled by a prospect (or a Stetcher type player) so that he comes cheap, so that the cap can be better allocated to the top of the lineup. Maybe that player won't be as good as Myers, but you live it because ideally you have great top-4 ahead of him and he's playing a limited role anyway. If you have the cap/luxury of having a 6M player on your third line, fine, that's great depth. But we don't, not with so many other also undesirable contracts on the books and our core young players needing big raises. Some people (more importantly our GM) need to get away from the thought-process of: "decent player? have cap? get/keep player." It's such short-term and shallow planning.

Minutes are decided by the coaching staff, who could be incompetent (which is not uncommon here or around the league) and/or has no choice due to the roster he was given. Remember when Sbisa played regular D-man minutes for us for years? It doesn't really mean anything (at least not without context).