MrCanuck94
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As long as everyone is aligned and has an open mind, it will work out.
Strong collaborative groups imo are more about the sharing of strong ideas and coming to a consensus rather than arguing about who is right.
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35 minutes ago, iceman64 said:
The last sentence you said there was the biggest bit of b.s. I've ever read since "burrows do we really need him?"
The only thing that's on JB in a negative way is actually feeling any pressure from a lot local fans and media who don't know much except to make noise like talking (clueless) heads.
Who, by the way, have been up in arms about even a thought it mention of the word re-build, the word re-tool had people freaking out let rebuild. So let me clue you in on this fun fact, THIS is not new! At least JB tried to build a team as the old contracts came off instead of the same old BS of buying a roster for the umpteenth time that fails due to selling the farm, again, as usual.
So where we stand now, if management actually has a set of balls big enough to ignore fans, bush league media and goofy colour commentator's, we might actually have a team that has more than a one year window of a cup every 10-20 years.
This is getting kind of old no?
Good teams sell off picks and prospects at the deadline to push themselves towards being a stronger contender. Weak teams sell off assets for picks and prospects to build a stronger future.
JB was doing the former to desperately make the playoffs with a borderline playoff team that took 8 years to build and consistently finished near the bottom of the league.
Thanks for proving my point.
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9 hours ago, ilduce39 said:
Gillis and Gilman’s “asset management” directly led to the past decade’s miserable record.
Gillis' weakness was the draft, I believe he's owned up to that afterwards through some radio interviews locally.
Sure Benning started with a bare cupboard and an aging core, I also used to share that point of view, but through time I realized he just didn't have the capacity to follow a strategy and build his assets and cap value properly.
There was absolutely no reason for us not to do a full on rebuild from 2014 to 2016. I lost respect for Benning once he backstabbed Linden, who wanted to do a proper rebuild.
The past decade is on Benning and his management team, no one else.
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42 minutes ago, stawns said:
At the time people said the same thing about Dave Nonis. Now, when we can look back, we see that it was Noni's who built the foundation of the 2011 team and that, really, he did a great job.
Actually Burke was more responsible for our core, Nonis' only significant addition was Luongo. You could argue Edler was under his watch, but I'm assuming most of the scouts were in place from the Burke tenure.
Gillis and Gilman had the asset management and cap value skills to put us over the top.
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8 hours ago, iceman64 said:
I don't have to, it's obvious, JR said it himself, we're one of the better teams in the league and close to being a legit contender, that speaks for itself in what JB did, so he's wrong and doesn't know $&!#e?
JR literally has not said this. We're not one of the better teams in the league and we're not even a playoff team yet, let alone a contender.
He said we are a team that relies on our goaltending too much and won 50% of our games because of our goaltending. He said we are a couple of good pieces away from being just a playoff team. JR and Allvin both have said we have work to do to build a contender.
The organization lacked structure and it's slowly being fixed. They've said the team lacks structure and that will slowly be fixed. It's been reported that they didn't like some of the moves the previous regime made. We weren't in the right 'cycle' to be making some of the moves we were making.
They've said they have to do a lot of work to build structure, depth and cap space. They have to bring in more 20-25 year old players because we don't have quality young players pushing for spots. They have to build value within the cap and build more asset value.
Like I said, Benning's weaknesses were communication, asset management, time management, and strategic direction.
Even if we made the playoffs with him this season, I don't have any confidence that the past management group would be able to build cap value, assets, or structure to make us a contender.
I had confidence when Linden was the president because he wanted to do a proper rebuild, but the management group backstabbed him to rush the rebuild and failed epically. In hindsight, Linden was right.
I believe I read somewhere that statistically, the previous regime was the worst tenure in Canucks history.
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On 5/6/2022 at 10:46 AM, ey40 said:
The media when Benning speaks: Benning has no plan and he is damaging the team's future. Canucks fans you should be scared.
The media when Rutherford speaks: Rutherford has a plan and he is damaging the team's future. Canucks fans you should be scared.
I mean come on, I have more faith in Rutherford than all the so-called hockey experts covering the Canucks. I think it is funny that someone would make a comment like this.
So a GM is not supposed to manage the team? Did he say the same thing when an unproven Dave Nonis fired Crawford in the early 2000?
I don't consider Sekeres or Price as part of the media. Never liked their 'reporting' or attempts to stir the pot constantly for useless topics.
Where did he even get the 1 week per month from?
All I've heard from JR is that he's been in and out from hotel to rink since he got hired lol.
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1 hour ago, Gawdzukes said:
Exactly right. The people with their extreme criticisms of Benning just show how little they actually know. They come around parroting stuff like the 'ran out of time thing', and then walk around with their chests out like they actually know anything. It's comical.
Not really.
Jim Benning had major weaknesses in communication, asset management, time management, and strategic direction.
He is a good scout and has a great hockey mind, but he did not possess the capabilities of being a good manager and/or president.
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7 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said:
If we are going to improve then Schenn needs to be on the 3rd pairing. I'm hoping we get an actual young solid RHD to play with Hughes. That defense is also pretty soft other than Schenn. Changes are needed.
For sure, not sure if it'll be possible to bring in two top 4 guys in one off season so I kept Schenn with Hughes, definitely would be great if we could fill the 1RD and 2RD.
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7 hours ago, stawns said:
Myers is much better than Marino. That's a lotto pick d corp
Huh?
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4 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:
JR said Rathbone will be with the big club next year. So Dermott should be your 7th Dman...
Dermott could be on the right side though. If they replace Myers with for example a Marino, I like the structure of the defense.
Hughes - Schenn
OEL - Marino
Rathbone - Dermott
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17 minutes ago, Dr. Crossbar said:
I'm a bit concerned about the Boudreau situation. The guy came in, did a phenomenal job, turned us around, had the team in it until the final week, had playoff numbers since he was hired, AND became a massive fan favorite ... yet management is less supportive and more critical of the guy. Then say, they don't want it to get emotional when they're seemingly making it emotional. Again .. just struck me as odd.
Still in a wait and see mode with new management. I'm trusting more in JR's experience right now and also have confidence in Boudreau's experience as well.Tbh, I didn't find it emotional at all.
They said they wanted him back and they have a history of not giving early extensions to coaches to make sure their hands aren't tied, even with Stanley Cup winners like Sullivan.
Like JR said earlier in the year, even if they have the best, they're always looking for better. I'm sure they have candidates that they view just as highly as Bruce, if not better.
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10 minutes ago, -DLC- said:
I think you missed my point....being that you only can deal for assets if another team is willing to. That was my point...not that they wouldn't try, but they have to find someone to sign on for that.
Don't think there will be issues dealing any of Bo, JT or Brock if necessary.
Might run into some problems with the Pearson, Myers, Dickinson trades however
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48 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:
JR is obviously a Hall of famer. But Patrik Allvin has less experience than Benning and it shows. People like to disparage the way Benning communicated but is Allvin any better? He's a puppet at this point. None of the 100 AGM's that JR hired have more experience than Benning and none have proven anything. I don't think any of them are great communicators either. JR seems to love all of them. JR did his job and got the most diverse GM team in the history of sports. Let's see now if it actually leads to results on the ice.
The puppet comment is not fair at all.
Upper management level positions in any organization/business have huge amounts of responsibilities/duties.
Seems like we have a good amount of shared duties within the organization. Allvin is brand new to the position, just like any of us new to a job, there will be a learning curve and development process with your coach, who is JR in this circumstance. Any proposal and move have to be approved by higher ups the same as JR approving any move the management group decides to make.
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52 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:
I didn't like the Dermott trade and I still don't like it. But he can be a 7th Dman for one more year and then maybe we can get an asset back for him. I agree we need more size on the backend which is why I was puzzled with the Dermott trade, but I guess he is just a stop gap for now. If Rathbone is in the lineup, we need some RHD that are stay at home and can clear the net. A younger version of Luke Schenn is what we need for Hughes. Not sure how we are going to get that piece. We can trade Miller obviously, but even with Miller it's going to be tough to find a top pairing RHD that has a nasty side.
Dermott is already playing at a 5th Dman level. He's been one of our better defensive D.
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4 hours ago, -DLC- said:
Which isn't just "plan b" as a concrete plan because that involves other teams. People act as if trades are just one and done.
So it's not like you can decide to ship him out without the plan b working out as well. I mean, they were likely already getting offers and I doubt they'll move him just for the sake of...it has to be right. So it'll likely involve a whole lot more than "it's this or goodbye" as they have to then make plan b something of value (too). If they didn't already strike while the iron was hot it tells me they likely are reluctant to let him go unless it's a pretty big deal (also). Letting him go because you're trying to save could cost a whole lot as well.
Actually the other poster is correct.
JR was on the radio and said specifically if they cannot work a deal with Miller, he will be dealt for assets. That sentiment is the same for other players as well in the "plan B" situation, which include Bo and Brock.
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1 hour ago, BigTramFan said:
No SV% doesn't show that, but HDsc SV% (high danger scoring chance save percentage) does.
Again Demko was good at 0.837 SV% on 283 HD shots, but certainly not top of the league for that stat. Some examples of other goalies from some top teams that had higher HDsc SV%:
Shesterkin NYR 0.850 (260 HD shots)
Markstrom CLG 0.838 (253 HD shots)
Andersen CAR 0.841 (232 HD shots)
Husso STL 0.840 (200 HD shots)
So although Demko faced more HD chances than these goalies, his SV% wasn't better. He wasn't a superstar in this area. And this also means that a fair share (46 HD goals from 283 HD chances) actually went in, and Demko's play therefore was not wholly responsible for the Canucks winning record.
Please don't think I am running down Demko here. He is a very good goalie and he is also young and likely to get even better. He could have had a much lower HDsc SV% and the Canucks would have lost more games.
My main point is that you cannot say that Demko's play was "superstar" level and hence he was responsible for the Canucks winning 32 out of 57 games. He played his part and he played it well.
Regarding JR's comment about winning 50% due to goaltending, I think you could say the same about most teams in the league, i.e. good goaltending is responsible for about 50% of your wins. What our defense needs to work on is reducing those HD chances to a much lower level. That, along with scoring more goals for, would make Demko's job easier and reduce our dependence on the goalie to win it for us.
Nice post, and for sure all great teams have great goalies as well.
I think the difference is that to differ ourselves from 'most teams in the league' and become contenders, we have to have a franchise talent goalie that we don't rely on for wins. Like what Vasilevsky is to Tampa.
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1 hour ago, fanfor42 said:
Allvin is a total yes man to JR. He said nothing that didn't start with well as Jim just said..
Not impressed with him. At all.
Rutherford has refused to give BB his props for a great year. I didn't like that.
My question is what have Allvin and JR done so far? Not much.
Ok guess we will see but I think it's a big miss to say BB didn't earn an extension. Ya right says the two guys who have done nothing yet...
51 minutes ago, 73 Percent said:I'm glad this was said. I'm not overly thrilled with what management has done so far. All I hear is a lot of "we tried".
I liked hamonic, but the players didn't so it's a fair move to get a 3rd I guess. But then to dump a third for Dermott... Very questionable. Then to come out and say we've been trying to get Rathbone up for months... Uhhhh what? This sounds a lot like the JB "we ran out of time" to me.
They're not impressed with the success this team had since Bruce came in... Yet they couldn't find him a decent backup even if one was in their own back yard.h They wasted even more money next year by starting halak through his bonus games played.
This management group seems like they like to sit in a circle and talk about their feelings rather than improve this hockey team. Looking back at it now it's pretty evident that's the case with all of their management PR hirings.
I'm going to come out right now and say it.
I don't see this management team having much success here if this is a sign of things to come.
?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Are we really criticizing management over a crucial evaluation period that takes time to properly know your players and staff? They've created a plan and the Dermott and Hamonic moves are a template of what that means, getting younger and creating value in cap. Rathbone was injured for a while and we ran into injury issues after. Letting him get #1 minutes was probably the best thing to do than bouncing him up and down between leagues.
There's already so many external things in motion like tournaments, development camps, in-house renovations, new practice rink, etc.
Maybe they're not impressed because mediocrity doesn't impress a management group that just came off winning 3 Stanley Cups over the last decade.
They're setting a standard, they're setting new expectations and they're not making knee jerk moves for short term success.
This is the most confident I've been in a group of individuals running the Canucks.
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15 minutes ago, BigTramFan said:
Demko's SV% of 0.915 was not exactly "superstar" quality. It ranks 15th in the league for goalies that played at least 19 games. He is definitely ranked above average, but his stats do not explain the Canucks winning 32 out of 57 games during Boudreau's time this season. In addition, when you factor in only 4 wins out of 9 starts that Halak contributed during those 57 games you realise the winning record was much more than amazing goaltending.
That stat does not count for the amount of defensive breakdowns and high danger chances against that Demko was covering up. He was easily the reason we won a lot of the games just from an eye test.
JR went on S650 and even said we won about 50% of our games because of our goaltending.
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On 4/26/2022 at 9:38 PM, -AJ- said:
Slight bit of stat cherry picking here, but OEL has 12 points in his last 15 games (1g, 11a). Pretty much classic OEL lately.
Hard not to think that he won't be pushing 40 points next season once he's more climatized to the team from the get go, while only getting PP2 time.
With his defensive play being at the tops of the league, I'd argue he's been playing at a solid #2 level the latter half of the season.
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One thing I recall from one of JR's earlier pressers, always having the next candidate in mind.
Whether you sign the best player or best staff member, always searching and looking for better.
It would suck to lose Bruce, but I'm sure they have a few candidates in mind that are just as good, if not better, to replace him.
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2 hours ago, -DLC- said:
This fanbase can be pretty vocal/hostile....people are pretty fed up with the dog chasing its tail and FINALLY saw something (through the record) that seemed like it was settling.
I think they understand that changes have to be made without disrupting what they do have. Big ideas are fine, big egos that don't listen to the room don't always do what's right overall...they do what they think is right.
Fooled by which record? The start of the season or the end, because there were 2 to examine.
I think what many mean by that is a record that was the result of a superstar goalie standing on his head most of the time over the 50 games.
1 hour ago, -DLC- said:Funny, some must've missed the part where he said they have enough good players to continue to build. Most of the players played to the highest level.
Also: "in this league if you lose the wrong couple of players you can take a step backward" (glad they consider this in it all, something realllly relevant to the talk about ripping key players out of the core)..."but if you add the right couple of players you can take a step forward. So I think it's fair to say adding the right couple of players that we can be a playoff team pretty quick". That, to me, doesn't say massive change...it says doing some work to add those key pieces.
You can cherry pick on both sides of this interview. But I hear talk about adding more than subtracting.
I guess time will tell.
We're a borderline playoff team right now.
We'll be a playoff team with a couple more good pieces.
We have work to do before we're a contender.
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2 minutes ago, sonoman said:
Not sure Crosby was mentioned as a “comparable” ( my words) to stars in the team. SC was a generational superstar and 1st OA pick. Sure hope both BB are back. See how Bruce does coaching a full season with this team.
They were saying how your superstars need to make everyone around them better, and that is the expectation for Petey, Hughes and Demko moving forward.
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2 hours ago, aliboy said:
They have to do some work, there will be some changes, I'm looking forward to it, but with a full season with Bruce they already are a playoff team!!
That is also a dangerous mindset to build a team with.
The sample size was only 50 games and included a new head coach bump with a lot of wins coming on the back of a superstar goalie. Things could easily go sideways again and we'd be one bad stretch away from missing the playoffs again.
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30 minutes ago, kilgore said:
Just to post it in case others haven't watched it.
I'm stoked that JR confirms what seems obvious to me on the ice. Especially his take on exiting the puck out of the defensive zone. To hear him say: "Our exits from our defensive zone are not great...probably one of the worst in the league." "when they're in trouble...what am I supposed to do with the puck?, ...instead of just banging it up the boards..and they keep it in the zone, and bang its in our net" JR is preaching we have the talent, but just need the proper defensive structure.
I"ve seen this in countless games. I try and tell myself that other teams must have the same problem exiting their zone and I just am seeing through my own bias glasses. But JR sees it too. . It is my biggest pet peeve with this team. Myers especially, literally just passes the puck back to the other team multiple times a game in the D zone. But he is not alone. There still is no solid structure or system in place, since TG took over, for them AFTER they re-take possession of the puck in our zone. In that second they have to move the puck, as the forecheckers are honing in, its like you can almost see that they are thinking "what am I supposed to do with the puck?" as JR put it. The indecision with the puck in our zone is the cause of a lot of goals against.
I'm happy to hear from JR that this can be corrected with the proper system. That its not necessarily the players we have here.
Notu sure if I heard correctly but I believe he also said that's only one example, there's many more key areas to improve but didn't want to get to into it.
Feels great to finally have competent management. Glad to see they're not using a sample size of 50 games to minimize the work and are taking an honest evaluation of what players and staff they have within the organization.
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Is the new management a committee approach
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Yep, and I fully believe Allvin is the guy who will take all the input and make the best decision possible. He seems like a very open minded guy.