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Man I really thought I beat Vintage to the punch!

Horvat + Hoglander for PLD

I think you’re right, it shouldn’t be a full blown rebuild but maybe a retool. Having at least 2 additional first round picks and 2nd round picks over these next two drafts could help immensely in restocking the prospect pool. We have 2/3 of an effective 4th-line in Lammikko and Lockwood so essentially we’d be building our D, a third line and our left side. I’m sure trading Miller, Horvat, Boeser, Hoglander and Garland would go a long way in retooling this team the right way focusing on speed, size and skill. Colorado drafted 6 players on their cup winning roster and I believe Tampa has around the same, we already have 4 in Hughes, Pettersson, Demko and Podkolzin (the core four moving forward) + Kuzmenko. These next two drafts could add to those 4+1 and with the right prospects, young roster players traded for, in addition to the extra picks, we would be sitting pretty not only for the immediate future but also long term.

After watching these finals I’ve come to a conclusion, the make up of this team cannot and will not compete against the Avalanche or Lighting. If you think the right moves this off season can right the ship, I still believe we will be a tier below these two teams. Although, I have faith in this management group, Benning left us a not so bright future. In OEL, Myers, Dickinson and Poolman there’s close to 19 million in cap space that could have been better utilized elsewhere. I believe in building from the net out and we have zero blue chip D prospects, well, zero blue chip prospects across the board. After watching these finals, I believe it would be best to tear it down and rebuild. Use these next two drafts to right the ship and build for the future. I would hang on to Pettersson, Hughes, Demko and Podkolzin but everyone is up for grabs. I’d rather this team be great for the future rather than mediocre for the coming few years and then jump into a rebuild. I feel we’re the new Minnesota Wild, just good enough to make the playoffs but never good enough to actually contend for the cup.

I see 4 players that are or should be untouchable Pettersson, Hughes, Demko and Podkolzin. Everyone else should be used to improve around them and build through these next two drafts. This team needs a complete overhaul in order to be competitive now and for the future.

Apparently, the Coyotes have called the Canucks and offered to take on bad contracts. This seems like the perfect opportunity to unload Dickinson and/or Poolman. I didn’t include Myers because apparently there may be a 12-14 team market for Myers. With this being the case, what would you be willing to offer in terms of draft compensation and/or prospects to unload Dickinson and Poolman’s contracts? I for one think any compensation from a Myers trade (if we are going in that direction) should be included. So… To Van: 2022 7th round pick (ARZ) To ARZ: Poolman Dickinson 2022 3rd round pick (Myers) 2023 2nd round pick (VAN) Cap Savings: 5.15 Million + 6 million (Myers)

After reading some of your comments I went ahead and edited the original trades. Myers was added to the Boston trade with a 50% salary retention. With only two years left on his contract, retaining 3 million shouldn’t be a big deal especially since after this year the Holtby and Virtanen buyouts are off the books. Boston replaces Carlo with Myers who, coming in at 3 million, would be worth it. I also added a 2023 2nd round pick (VAN) to the New Jersey trade. It seems as though the original trade was maybe, just a little underwhelming. These two trades could help fix our D if we draft Jiricek/Nemec or solidfy our top 6 with Slafkovsky. Future top 4 Hughes - Carlo/Jiricek Bahl - Jiricek/Carlo or Future top 6 Slafkovsky - Pettersson- Podkolzin Lysell - Horvat - Boeser

Trade 1 To Van: Carlo Lysell 2023 1st Round Pick To Boston: Miller Myers (50% retained) Trade 2 To Van: 2nd Overall Bahl To New Jersey: Garland 15th Overall 2023 1st Round pick (BOS) 2023 2nd Round pick (VAN) Do you think these trades make sense value wise? If so, would Boston and New Jersey go for them? If not, what would you change?

Before I being this topic I just want to say I'm a Boeser fan and if he could improve his skating I'm all for keeping him but I feel it would work out better for him if he was closer to home. Our biggest need is improving the D and Jiricek/Nemec check all the boxes. So here are two trades I would make to not only land Jiricek/Nemec but also make up for trading Boeser. Trade 1: Move Up To Van: 2nd Overall To NJ Boeser 15th Overall + (We most likely would need to add) Trade 2: Move Down To Van: 3rd Overall Crouse To Arizona: 2nd Overall Arizona could trade Crouse at next seasons trade deadline and possibly land a first, however, this way they have the option to go with either Slafkovsky or Cooney. Instead of having to pick the one left over, they decide which direction they'd like to go. Vancouver on the other hand land Crouse to make up for the Boeser trade and have the option to chose between Nemec and Jiricek. Miller - Pettersson - Podkolzin Crouse - Horvat - Garland Hoglander - Dickinson - Pearson Highmore - Lammikko - Lockwood OEL - Myers Hughes - Jiricek Rathbone - Dermott Schenn After these two trades management can look at the potential lineup and decide whether to keep Miller or trade him to improve and consistently compete in the playoffs year over year. You could probably tell where I stand in terms of keeping or trading Miller.

I second this

If we are looking at the projected roster as such... 2022-23 Projected Lineup _______ - Pettersson - _______ Pearson - Horvat – Podkolzin Hoglander - ________ - ________ Highmore – Lammikko – Lockwood Callups: _____, ______, Klimovich OEL - _____ Hughes – Schenn Dermott - ______ Extras: Rathbone*, Burroughs, Keeper, _____ Demko, Martin I'd like to trade Miller, Boeser, and Garland to fill all those holes. A miller trade should cover at least 2-3 of those spots i.e. Schneider, Lafreniere, Kravtsov and a First. With that trade we look a little like this... Projected Lineup Lafreniere - Pettersson - _______ Pearson - Horvat – Podkolzin Hoglander - ________ - Kravtsov Highmore – Lammikko – Lockwood Callups: _____, ______, Klimovich OEL - Schneider Hughes – Schenn Dermott - ______ Extras: Rathbone*, Burroughs, Keeper, _____ Demko, Martin Now if Boston was interested in Garland and the rumour was for Lysell, this would set us up for the future when Pearson is gone and we'll look a little something like this... Projected Lineup Lafreniere - Pettersson - _______ Pearson/Lysell - Horvat – Podkolzin Hoglander - ________ - Kravtsov Highmore – Lammikko – Lockwood Callups: _____, ______, Klimovich OEL - Schneider Hughes – Schenn Dermott - ______ Extras: Rathbone*, Burroughs, Keeper, _____ Demko, Martin A Boeser trade ideally should help us land a top 4 RHD and I would target Dobson from NYI so Boeser+ for Dobson. Projected Lineup Lafreniere - Pettersson - _____ Pearson/Lysell - Horvat – Podkolzin Hoglander - ________ - Kravtsov Highmore – Lammikko – Lockwood Callups: _____, ______, Klimovich OEL - Schneider Hughes – Schenn Dermott - Dobson Extras: Rathbone*, Burroughs, Keeper, _____ Demko, Martin These three trades involving Miller, Boeser and Garland could set us up not only for the present but the future as well. Now we'll have to deal with Myers and Dickinson and fill those remaining holes which shouldn't be too difficult as we could look at UFA signings to do so. I would target Nichushkin for first line RW, he's a big body and sound defensively would fit in nicely with Pettersson and Lafreniere.

As much as I am hoping the Canucks will make the playoffs this year, if they do and I know anything can happen, I don't see them making a run for the cup. JR mentioned there are some holes in the lineup and I completely agree. So let's look ahead and discuss a potential trade of our biggest trade chip JT Miller and next years lineup. Hoglander - Pettersson - Podkolzin Pearson - Horvat - Boeser ??? - ??? - Garland Motte - ??? - Highmore Hughes - ??? OEL - Myers Rathbone - ??? Demko ??? This is how I see our lineup next year and as you can see there are glaring holes that need to be addressed. I've left Dickinson out of the lineup because I'm hoping a playoff team this year could see a need for Dickinson and he is traded. Now as for the holes that need to be addressed, Miller is our best trade chip and will command a lofty return helping fill these holes. There are reports in the media as the Rangers being "all over him" so the focus of this will be trading Miller to the Rangers. So, what would your ideal trade look like with the Rangers? I would center the trade around Schneider who could be a long-term partner for Hughes and is our biggest need, a RHD. Our second biggest need is a defensive 3C who can chip in offensively when need be and this is where Chytil or Barron come in. Although both shoot left and we would be better off if either of them shot right this need can be filled with our 4C. The only other issue is some are projecting Chytil to move to the wing where he may be better suited and for this reason I would prefer Barron a big physical presence who plays to his size. Now this is where it gets a little interesting, Schneider and Barron are not enough of a return for Miller so what else could we squeeze out of the Rangers. I would prefer another roster player or prospect over a draft pick to help fill out the rest of our lineup but for the 3LW I see Klimovich getting a shot next year and we could easily find sign a UFA for the 4C position. Here I'm not only thinking next year I'm thinking 2-3 years down the road as we will need to find replacements for Pearson and Myers when their contracts are up. There were two names that stood out to me in a recent article I read and they were Hunter Skinner (RD) and Brennan Othmann (LW). However, I believe the LW position is a lot easier to fill than a RD but then we also have Woo who could jump in and fill that bottom RD position maybe as early as next year. But again, going back to how easily we could fill a LW spot over a RD I would prefer Skinner here. The return of Schneider, Barron, Skinner still seems a little underwhelming especially since we'd retain 50% of Millers salary so just for good measure I'd ask for a 2nd round pick. To Rangers: Miller at 50% retained To Canucks: Schneider Barron Skinner 2nd round pick 2022 Potential lineup next year Hoglander - Pettersson - Podkolzin Pearson - Horvat - Boeser Kilmovich - Barron - Garland Motte - UFA - Highmore Hughes - Schneider OEL - Myers Rathbone - Woo/Skinner/Schenn Demko ??? Do you agree with the return heading back our way, if not what would be your ideal return in a JT Miller trade to the Rangers?

How do you know this? He was diagnosed on December 21 from what I read, does that mean he contracted the virus on December 21? How do you know it wasn’t before and how do you know he was still COVID positive when he travelled? Do you even know what date he travelled? From what I see most of the replies to this post including yours, are making assumptions. He could very well have contracted the virus before December 21 and Covid negative at the time he travelled. My suggestion for you and everyone else is rather than jumping to conclusions based on his past maybe wait to see how things unfold. Just my two cents.

Proposal 1: To Van 2022 1st Round Pick 2023 1st Round Pick Ty Smith Siegenthaler Why Vancouver does this: The return for Hughes would fill the third pairing LD and Second pairing RD while also adding two first round draft picks for the next trade. To Devils Hughes Why the Devils do this: The opportunity to have all three Hughes on the team (at a premium) but also adding Hughes offensive talents. Proposal 2 To Van Chychrun Why Vancouver does this: They shed Myers contract while adding a great two-way defender for second pairing LD. To Coyotes 2022 1st Round Pick (Devils) 2022 1st Round Pick (Van) 2023 2nd round Pick (Van) Myers Rathbone Why the coyotes do this? The coyotes add 2 more first round picks in the upcoming Shane Wright draft. While also adding a serviceable D in Myers and a young LD with potential in Rathbone not to mention a second round draft pick in the upcoming draft. Proposal 3 To Van Cernak 2022 3rd Round Pick Why Vancouver does this: They add Cernak. To Tampa 2023 1st Round Pick (Devils) Hamonic Woo Why Tampa does this: Add a good stay at home defender in Hamonic, plus futures in Woo (eventual Hamonic replacement) and a 1st round draft pick. OEL - Cernak Chychrun - Smyth Siegenthaler - Poolman

Last year Miller was relied on to play in the middle with Pettersson injured and he looked good, comfortable. However, he helps form one of the top lines in the league when aligned with Pettersson and Boeser. But, I believe having three solid lines, anchored by three great centermen would be far more beneficial to the team. However, if Miller moves down to the third, we have an opening at 1LW. So, I would make a play for Zach Hyman. At 6’1 and 214 lbs. he plays a similar game to Miller, great in the corners with a heavy body. In my opinion he would perfectly compliment Pettersson and Boeser. I’d have him somewhere between 4-5 million. Moving forward our top nine could look something like this… Hyman - Pettersson - Boeser Pearson - Horvat - Hoglander Motte - Miller - Podkolzin What do you guys think?

I wouldn't give up 9OA. If I were to make a deal with Tampa and help them clear some cap this is the deal I would offer... 2022 2nd pick Joni Jurmo Lind for Cernak Johnson (1mil retained) The first needed for Cernak changes to a 2nd based on taking Johnson's contract. Tampa is still moving forward with a formidable blue line in Hedman, Sergachev, Foote and McDonagh, however, if McDonagh is taken in the ED they have extra cap to re-sign Savard. Vanocuver on the other hand give up Lind and open up an extra protection spot for Gadjovich. This also allows them to protect Juolevi, Cernak and expose/protect one of Schmidt/Myers. This could free up quite a bit of cap space if Myers or Schmidt are selected. The way Hotlby has played I don't see Seattle taking a chance on him. I would hold on to Holtby and see how he performs after a full training camp with Clark and then flip him at the deadline. Vancouver gets their 3C at a 4mil cap. Johnson can play up and down the lineup either a 3C or 1L with Miller moving to 3C. We have about 7 mil in salary coming back but with one of Schmidt and Myers selected in the draft we free up some cap to fit these two players coming back our way. Vancouver also trades Jurmo as Tampa would probably want a defensive prospect coming back their way. Moving forward Vancouver can either select 9OA or trade the pick to Buffalo for Reinhart while also sending them Virtanen, Roussel or both. 9OA 2021 3rd round pick Virtanen/Roussel for Reinhart Edler re-signs for around 2.5-3 mil for 1 year so we have another 3-3.5 mil saved for fourth line centre and third pairing D. Miller - Pettersson - Boeser Pearson - Horvat - Reinhart Hoglander - Johnson - Podkolzin Motte - ??? - MacEwen Hughes - Cernak Edler - Myers Joulevi/Rathbone - ??? The following year no more Eriksson, Holtby, Loungo re/cap and maybe Edler moves on for potential cap relief of 16 million. Problems solved. I should be the f*cking GM.

It all depends on the moves leading up to the expansion draft and the expansion draft it's self. First I'd be trading our 2022 1st, Virtanen and Lind for 2022 3rd, Cernak and Johnson (Cap dump). Depending on if Virtanen's contract is terminated we may have to adjust. If Johnson is selected by Kraken then I'd draft a center with our 1st. However, if Schmidt is selected then I'd draft a defenceman and insert Johnson as 3C.

If it means freeing up 6 million I'm all for it, he can be replaced at a much lower salary via UFA or even internally. I'm thinking the way Rathbone and Woo have been playing together in the AHL they should be given a chance on the third pairing. If that doesn't work out give them another year in the AHL but then moving forward we'd have: Hughes - Tryamkin/UFA (I think Tryamkin's play style would definitely compliment Hughes) Edler/UFA - Schmidt Juoelvi - Tryamkin/UFA With the 6 million from Myers freed up and 6 million from Edler we have 12 million to upgrade our D. Maybe 2-3 million each goes to Edler and Tryamkin another 3-4 million to a decent UFA singing then whatever is left over to depth signings on D or forward group. However, it should be known where Tryamkin fits before signing a decent UFA; if they are going to try him with Hughes then we save even more money for our forward group by signing a third pairing Dman. Demko is the number one starter. As for Holtby, Seattle is going to have plenty of goalies to choose from so I doubt they take him. He stays and hopefully works out the kinks in his game with Clark, then we move him next trade deadline. Dipietro has had a tough go this year with no games and essentially a lost year of development. I would keep him in the AHL next year and bring him up when Holtby gets traded. Moving out a goalie in Holtby would probably bring us back a capable AHL starter. BUT if more cap space is needed I would try to move out Holtby at the trade deadline this year or in the offseason and sign a capable backup goalie on a 2 year contract until DiPietro is ready to take over.

I’m hoping Benning could figure out a way to move on from those players, it’ll give us the much needed cap space to fix the bottom 6. I was hoping we could trade Pearson for a 2nd or 3rd round pick seeing as though the draft has been this managements strength. But now with Pearson injured most likely past the deadline, 3x3 for third line and spot duty on the second would be great.

I’m guessing you missed the part where I mention anyone not named we move on from i.e. trade, don’t re-sign. But I’m pretty sure I have Gaudette and MacEwen there some where.

Oh I’m sorry I didn’t know your were going to have such a difficult time figuring out they’re potential targets. Not to worry I fixed that for you, made it a little easier to understand

What changes are you hoping for this season in terms of players, coaching staff and front office? Let's start with the coaching staff. Green - Release Over the past few years I haven't really seen the team improve (aside from the bubble anomaly) nor any individual player improve due to Green's coaching. You couldn't really make an argument for any one on the team really, Hughes, Pettersson, Boeser, Horvat, Demko, Hoglander essentially came in as advertised, they were expected to be good if not great. You would expect Gaudette and Virtanen to improve under Green's tutelage, however, as we've seen this season they've regressed and everyone seems to believe it's the players own doing but let me tell you something, it's not . As long as Green is behind the bench I just don't see this team competing for the cup anytime soon if at all. Baumgartner - Release (No explanation needed) Brown - Release (No explanation needed) Clark - Re-sign (No explanation needed) Moving on to Benning and Co. Aside from the scouting department I think everyone needs to go. Year-over-year Benning and Co. have just made excuses for their failures and Benning doesn't seem to want to accept any responsibility. It's been 7 years and we aren't even close to contending for the cup. The only good thing that's come from his tenure is the drafting and one, two, maybe three trades but everything else has been terrible. It's time we move on from Benning and Co. or at the very least hire a new GM and move Benning to head the scouting department. Players I've left ??? as areas needed to improve upon. Anyone not mentioned means I'd like for the Canucks to move on from. Miller - Pettersson - Boeser Hoglander - Horvat - Podkolzin ??? - ??? - ??? Motte - ??? - ??? Gaudette MacEwen Michaelis Hawryluk Lind Gadjovich Potential targets bottom 6 (UFA) Lowry (C) (UFA) Coleman (LW) (UFA) Laughton (C) (UFA) Goodrow (RW) (UFA) Armia (RW) Hughes - ??? ??? - Schmidt Juolevi - Myers Rathbone Chatfield Rafferty (RFA) Tryamkin Potential Targets D (UFA) Savard (UFA) Larsson (UFA) Murray

Joulevi + Rights to Virtanen + Erkisson + 1st round 2021 for OEL (20%) retained We essentially give up on Joulevi but with Jurmo being drafted and a left side of Hughes and OEL for the foreseeable future I don't mind. It would've been great to see him on the third pairing but OEL makes this team better. Edler's salary comes off the books next year and is basically replaced by OEL's 6.6 million If Edler still believes he has some gas left in the tank after this coming year he could be signed at a much lower cap hit and brought on as a third pairing veteran dman. If not, we bring up Rathbone. We FINALLY get rid of Eriksson As much as I like Virtanen I think it's time to move on. I don't see him as a second line winger and his arbitration rights priced him out of a third line role here in Vancouver. As for the 2021 1st round pick, it's going to be a late first (hoping it's the 31st) so I'm okay with that. If I was Benning I would try to give up a 2nd or a 2nd and a 3rd instead of the 1st. So there you have it, I believe this is the Canucks offer for OEL.

I’m good with this trade. We have Pettersson, Horvat and Gaudette as our 1, 2 and 3 for years to come. You have to give something up to gain something in return. We still need to shore up our D though, I’m thinking Dumba or Ristolainen. Do your thing GMJB!

To Min: Demko Boeser Stetcher 2nd round pick To Van: Dubnyk Dumba Greenway or Fiala 4th round pick Why Vancouver does it: - Vancouver needs to shore up its D for the playoffs enter Dumba. - Not have to expose Demko in the expansion draft and can resign Markstrom to an extension. Then expose Dubnyk in expansion. If he doesn’t get selected trade him at next TDL or he becomes UFA. Bring up Dipietro. - Boeser is great and I hate to trade him but it seems his father’s ailment has affected his play a little this season. Do him a favor and trade him so he could be closer to his father. In return we get either Fiala or Greenway. - Stetcher is an rfa and could be a good fit in the third pairing for the Wild. Why Minnesota does it: - They are no where close to a contender, it’s time to start over. - Demko would be there goalie of the future. - Boeser would be their hometown hero. He plays to his abilities as he is closer to his father. - They get a serviceable D-men to play on their third pairing or could fill in, in their top 4. You may need to tinker a bit so the values are fair for both teams ie add a pick/prospect on either or both sides.