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1 hour ago, Dats hockey said:
Well sure his development has gone as plan the past season but how many d man break into the league before 21?
Only 3 D picked in the top 10 from the last 15 years have failed to play NHL games prior to there D+4 season. Ollie is the 4th.
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1 hour ago, khay said:
We should convince Luongo to come out of the retirement and trade for him for a 7th rounder to Florida. Then, Luongo goes on LTIR to eliminate the penalty.
The fat that NHL approves this sort of trade is a joke.
Rumour is Luongo wanted to go on LTIR but Florida said nope. To save some money.
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32 minutes ago, Toews said:
Who posted that?
No one. Rob is just trying to appease the mob. Make up a fake narrative to gain favor amongst others.
Sparks is 3 years older than Demko and the two aren’t at all comparables. The leafs closest comparable would be Joseph Woll. Leafs 3rd round pick in 2016. He also went to Boston collage putting up solid number. He Also played for team USA at world juniors. Both played 3 years of NCAA and then signed there deal.
He’s the closest thing leafs have to Demko.
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1 hour ago, stawns said:what is it you are unhappy with? He had a very underrated season with a very depleted London team after being drafted.
As pointed out early. He was the only one from the top 7 scorers on that knights team that regressed in points from the previous year. Why is he the only player that gets a bye.
1 hour ago, stawns said:After a slow start to his first pro season, he ended up having one fo the best 20
year old dman seasons in Liiga
False again. He had a impressive season if you only compare rookie D seasons. But as a 20 year old D man his season it was just good. It wasn’t any more impressive than ville pokka. Heck oskari laaksonen, Sabre’s 3rd round pick just produced that same p/pg this last year.
1 hour ago, stawns said:and last year he scored at a .72 ppg pace, as a rookie.
Small sample size. Quinn Hughes put .6 p/gp in the NHL. As a rookie.
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13 minutes ago, Phat Fingers said:
I know his cap hit is fixed, but the dollars wouldn't be. To a team owned by a tightwad like say Melnyk could want a player with a high cap hit as long as he doesn't have to pay full cash dollars for him.
Once the deal was inked, the cap hit was fixed. Beyond that who actually pays hom the actual cash to Eriksson can be more complicated. The 8m bonus paid july 1st leaves x dollars to be paid, less than his cap hit.
I’m not buying this idea that it’s going to be easy to move LE after his signing bonus’ have been paid. The league is fill with front loaded contracts that teams are trying to get rid of. Cheapo owners aren’t in the business of doing favors. The time of teams struggling to get to cap floor is over. It’s only July and every team is already over the floor.
But for other comparables:
Kovalchuk
6.25 million cap hit
2 years left
5 million owed
Backes
6 million cap hit
2 years left
5 million owed
Carter
5.272 million cap hit
3 years left
7 million owed
Eriksson
6 million cap hit
3 years left
9 million owed
Ladd
5.5 million cap hit
4 years left
13 million owed
Lucic
6 million cap hit
4 years left
16 million owed
So if a team is looking for a friendly salary with a high cap hit. I don’t see what makes Eriksson more attractive than others. Add in his NMC and then his chances of moving are even smaller. If canucks want to move him we will have to add incentive.
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1 hour ago, aGENT said:
The best part is that people can't even hindsight properly. If we're truly going to captain hindsight the Juolevi pick, you move down to early-mid teens, adding another pick/asset and take McAvoy +. Proper hindisghting and we still don't take Tka-puke
That doesn’t work because mosr people aren't hind-sighting. Using hindsight only counts when people change their opinion based on recent events. In this case (I’m not included) a whole lot of people wanted tkachuk prior to the selection. Therefor, they are finally serving the plate of crow they had already prepared.
Like i said, I wasn’t one of the people that wanted MT over joulevi so I’m eating the exact same plate.
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7 hours ago, oldnews said:
Ironic appeal to the 'authority' of a twitter personality.
While whiffing on a key underlying claim there - that over 10 teams were pursuing Beagle - I suppose the 'authority' of NHL GMs wouldn't qualify them as 'experts' or knowledgeable hockey people though. They clearly set and determined market value - but the true experts are your twitter favorites lol.
Other GM’s showing interest doesn’t mean the team that ended up getting him didn’t overpay. Derp.in fact that supports the idea that he did get overpaid....”it is the way free agency works”.
Seems like you whiffed on some basic logic.
QuoteThe assumption that overpayment depends on "being low in the standings' is an incredibly weak way to determine a player's value relative to their contract - when there are so many other actual hockey - ie on-ice - ways to determing that - and ironically, by that (weak) standard the 'low standing' Canucks 'should have' had to 'overpay' for all of Myers, Ferland and Benn....
“I think the thing we do have going for us is players see our team kind of transformed last year with our young players. I’m getting the feel through free agency that players want to come out and be part of our group moving forward, where I don’t know if that was necessarily the case before.”
-benning.
What?... benning agrees with media that hack rick dhailwal.... swoosh. 0 for 2 oldnews. And you’re about to strike out.
QuoteRoussel
31 pts in 65 games
38.5% ozone starts
What an 'overpayment' lol - because, because - wait for it - 'low in the standings.'
Beagle
56.2% faceoffs
18.5% ozone starts
2nd to Sutter in forward pk ice time/game.
102 hits in 57 games.
'Foundational' - to a Stanley cup championship in Washington.
Game over. You have zero clue how to use analytics in context. Posting a players stats means relatively nothing in context of there salary comparable to the rest of the league.
It hilarious watching you pretend like you know what you are talking about. Please explain how 56% face off percentage equates to him being worth 3x4 oh wait it doesn’t.
Haha let me try:
brad Richardson
1st on arz in PK min
34% ozone starts
55% in faceoff dot
27 points in 66 games.
....wait he’s getting under 1.5 million????
QuoteOutstanding 'bottom six' forwards - are criminally under-rated among noobs on these boards - among NHL GMs = not so much - as over 10 of them were in the running for both these players.
If other gms wanted him so bad. Why didn’t anyone else outbid us. If we paid “just” market value and the demand for him was so great, you would think one team would have overpaid
to make sure they landed him.
Like i said poor rick is now being writing off. I can post a handful over other quotes from respectable hockey media (lebrun, Friedman, kuzma, Armstrong, macintyre) but because you disagree with them due to your own lack of knowledge and bias. Even former GM Doug Mclean said they were overpaid. (Followed it up with who cares it’s FA’s money and you can buy them out later). Craig button said the same. But I guess since they’re former GM’s doesn’t count right? Nice little bubble you live in.
Nope good ole... oldnews posted their ozone starts and corsi he’s obviously is the expertzzz.
Heres the funny thing, I like beagle a lot. Played against him a bunch of years growing up and met him a few times through mutual friends, he’s a really solid guy. In canucks situation I was fine with them overpaying to get a guy like him.
Keep on being you oldnews. I always get a good chuckle from your posts. Lol
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19 minutes ago, The 5th Line said:
Much closer than you my friend.
The real question is, who do they consider a knowledgeable hockey person. They’ve written off almost every media member, who’s left. Not even good old rick Dhaliwal was safe from them.
ps. This is what he had to say on the signing
”There were over 10 teams involved on Beagle and Roussel, with the #Canucks low in the standings, they had to overpay in term and money. These were 2 players they really wanted, it is the way free agency works.”
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1 hour ago, aGENT said:
The 93rd top scoring forward in the league last year (AKA 31 teams X 3 '1st line forwards') had 52 points FYI.
...Yeah thats not how it works
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Katrina Berry the fiancee of chuck wagon driver Cody Ridsdale
QuoteI'd like everyone to meet Wild. Wild has a pretty cool story that I feel the world could benefit from hearing today. Looking back I think our lives changed the day we picked up Wild 6 years ago.
Wild had 1 start on the racetrack, earning less than $100 dollars. But he LOVED to run! So much so that no exercise rider could control him and every exercise was a runaway, literally. And one day he decided he didn't want to be held back again and ran so hard he hurt his suspensory ligament in his left front leg. So now Wild is a 2 year old with an injury that has ended any chance at furthering his race career. And this is a horse that would NOT make someone a light riding trail horse, he would not have any part of that. He is a handful to lead around most days I couldn't imagine trying to take him on a long slow trail ride. This is where the horse whisperers are going to come at me and say he just has to go through the 'steps' and any horse can be tamed. This is where I have to laugh, they just don't get it. If someone could have conquered him(unlikely), his injured ligament would most likely not hold up to any weight on his back. Lucky for Wild he had an amazing owner who took him home and turned him out into the pasture until he could find a suitable home for him. Lucky for US, we were that home. All winter we hooked Wild to the wagon with a draft horse and everyday Wild met us at the gate and drug me to the wagon so we could be hooked up. We knew he was going to be a good one once we could convince him that we should somewhat control this runaway he wanted to be on everyday.
Wild is 9 years old now, he has been our main left leader on the 1 and 2 barrel outfit for the passed 5 years. He pushed his head into the collar and still literally drags me to the wagon at night to be hooked up. He explodes when the horn goes and tries his guts out around the track. One lap isn't enough for Wild, he'd prefer to go around again. Cody's arms may be short but they are mighty, but just watch him try and pull Wild up after the race tonight. It's not easy. I've literally been standing on the backside of the track and heard Cody yell "Ok Wild, we're done buddy, that's enough".
Wild will race tonight, off the 1 barrel, because he WANTS to and he LOVES his job. I wish everyone got to see the spark in his eye when he put the harness on him. He living his best life! A controlled runaway everytime he hits the track! Cody and I laugh all the time, whatever Wild wants, Wild gets. He wants his Soft ride boots on, now he wants them off, wants to walk beside this horse today, wants the tote of oats open for him by his stall.
Wild is currently napping in his stall, full of fresh shavings, clean water, all the hay he can eat and a bucket full of the best grain possible formulated just for racehorses like him. He's wearing a ceramic/magnetic blanket to make sure his muscles are fully oxygenated for tonight's race. An hour before races, we will breathe in saline through the nebulizer to help clear and open his lungs. He will stand on the Theraplate for 20 minutes, a vibrating plate to warm up his ligaments, tendons and muscles. He will strut his stuff for the track vets to show that he is sound and healthy for tonight's races. Then he will be harnessed and not so patiently wait for the nights races.Trust me when I say this, there is absolutely no way he could get these horses to pull a wagon and run if they didn't want to. And we have had ones that didn't want to, and I have made sure I found them good homes and new careers. Which isn't easy by the way. Off the track thoroughbreds aren't many peoples 'cup of tea'.
If Wild decides he doesn't want to be a wagon horses one day, so be it. We would respect that 100%. He doesn't owe us a darn thing, he can retire in the pasture and live out his days eating grass with the broodmares.Thank you Wild for allowing us to be 'your people'.
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1 hour ago, Jimmy McGill said:
yup Calgary is stuck with it: https://flamesnation.ca/2019/07/19/milan-lucics-arrival-also-adds-some-complications/
So Treliving has to protect Lucic in the ED, can't really buy him out, and didn't get a significant sweetener, for a guy they could have bought out for 1.9 mil per?
Wow.
Lucic was never allowed to be asked to waive his NMC. Is not even able to be talked about until December hits so any trade with him would have been the same.
After December flames are free to ask him to waive that clause for ED
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39 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:
I think Neal just had an off year but I could be wrong. If he rebounds to his former self this is a big win for Edmonton. If he plays like last year then both teams get zero improvement really. I don't see Lucic in the top 6 either so you are right he will play with Bennett and be a 3rd line enforcer who can play nasty. The problem is he is eating up top 6 cap space for another 4 years and in 2 years he could be a 4th line guy. Calgary still have 3 RFA's to sign including their big gun Tkachuk, so their cap space is going to be tight. Having Lucic eat up all that cap space playing in the bottom 6 may come back to bite them.
But, if flames management thinks that it wasn't just an off year with Neal then they are in the exact same position and at least Lucic provides some team need. This lucic trade free'd up half a million in cap space.
39 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:Vegas has major cap issues. Calgary could have just tried to get Reaves and play him on the 4th line at a reasonable cap hit, but maybe he wasn't available. I guess we will see what happens. The trade could ultimately just be a wash for both teams.
The problem is both teams need cap space. If vegas is trading reeves (which they aren't) they don't want someone elses cap dump or a wash. Vegas needs to free up cap space. Flames need to free up cap space it just doesn't work out. Also even if they somehow got reeves, he's going to cost them an asset, and then they are still saddled with a $6 million Neal for 4 years.
Flames have been trying to offload Frolik and there haven't been any takers, They've been trying to move neal and his value is so low that even with add on there haven't been any takers, They have been even exploring moving brodie, but right now teams are still in waiting mode with potential UFAs still on the market. Like i said, for two negative contracts this is about as win win as you could hope for. Both teams swap out a overpriced player but also both fill a needed skillset.
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1 minute ago, Elias Pettersson said:
Little Johnny was invisible in the playoffs. That's why they were gone in 5 games.
Yep it was why they were bounced so fast.
1 minute ago, Elias Pettersson said:Lucic can't play on a top line anymore. Ferland can. And so can Neal.
But Neal wasn't playing that way, He had 3 goals heading into the Christmas break, and that was with good opportunity. Flames don't really need another player on their top line. Or even in the top 6 for that matter. They needed a bottom 6 brute who can intimidate and provide a physical presence in the game. Bennett wasn't enough. While Lucic lucic at 5.25 is about a $3 million over payment for that role he does fill a need. I called this as a high potential trade 4 months ago since if fits both teams needs and provides two struggling players with a new opportunity..
Considering both contracts are anchors, it's about as win win as it can get for those situations and the fact that flames save cap in the process (which they need) it's a good move.
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8 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:
The difference is Neal can actually play. He may get 30 goals playing with McDavid. Lucic on the other hand was obtained simply because little Johnny was sh**ing his pants over Ferland going after him so they had to acquire protection for him. This is the only logical reason Calgary does this deal. Reactionary deal. Edmonton wins this hands down.
This has zero to do with reactionary deal. Flames got run over in the playoffs. Sam Bennett was there most physical force. This whole summer they talked about wanting to get bigger and stronger long, long before Ferland was signed.
johnny already goes up against big players night in and night out. Ferland is the least of there worries.
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17 minutes ago, HockeyHarry said:
Any word on what’s the conditional pick? I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s a 2020 1st or 2nd.
If it’s a 1st it’s could be a top 10 or a 2nd could be a top 40.
Plus Oiler eat some of the Contract. So am not sure if Coilers won this trade.
I’m glad Canucks didn’t get Lucic because that’s another yr of having a horrible player and Contract. Unless Canucks got Oiler 2020 1st round pick.
Sounds like a 3rd round pick
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1 hour ago, Hutton Wink said:
But how did that happen? Benning refused to rebuild, and was going backwards for three years. The rebuild only started in 2017. It's just not possible unless Benning is an absolute genius and magician, rebuilding a team in just two years...
If a team was to start a rebuild from scratch today. What would they need to have in order for you to call it a success 5 years from now?
Elite young core, prospect depth, cornerstone goalie, generational center?. what criteria do you use?
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4 hours ago, stawns said:
Actually, with a deeply depleted Knights lineup, completely devoid of big name help, OJ managed to keep his points per game pretty even to his draft year. That, alone, was a significant accomplishment.
Yeah I don’t buy that argument unless people are willing to admit that in his draft year, his production was greatly inflated by his line mates (which then brings into question of his draft selection). But even with that, there roster still had some pretty good scoring. And if you look at 16-17 season’s top 8 scorers. 7 of them played with the knights in the previous season. Juolevi was only one of them that had is P/GP decrease. How come none of the other players saw that? If Juolevi maintaining pace is a significant accomplishment than victor mete who’s p/gp went up by 30% is considered what...a miracle?
Side note 6 of the 11 top scorers on the 16-17 knights team have player games in the NHL. Juolevi playing games this year will make it 7/11 which is a pretty good average if you ask me.
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2 hours ago, Curmudgeon said:Don't be so extreme. I would end the Chuckwagon race to prevent needless death to horses and potential injuries to drivers and/or riders. I have no issues with other rodeo events, but then again I don't watch rodeo, not for any sociopolitical reasons, but because it doesn't interest me. For everyone who loves it, fill your boots.
These horses are treated extremely well and truly love what they do. Take away these races and you take away their purpose and joy.
I always find it strange when people who's never been 10 feet from a chuck wagon horse feel their opinion supercede the people who live with, love and treat these horses as if they are their own family member.
I'd encourage you to look into how well these all animals at the stampede are cared for.
https://corporate.calgarystampede.com/animal-care/animal-care-questions-answers.html
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3 minutes ago, Fanuck said:
Yes, it's money well donated. But I find it hard to understand how an entity which has such an enormous economic impact on the city can't sustain it's own operating costs independently? I'm not arguing with you, I'm just perplexed by this?
Well first off the stampede is a non profit. It only runs for 10 days a year but employs 1000's of people full time year round. They donate a ton of money and time back into to the community. They annually give 2.5 million to Canadian youth programs. And they do a ton of other things for the rural area's. For example off the top of my head. they have a portable music stage that is free for anyone who wants to use year round. This is great for small communities who set up small town music festivals. I go to the one these every year which is called. Southern Alberta Music Festival held at Aspen Crossing (in a small town called mossleigh).
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11 minutes ago, Fanuck said:
Looking at this article it's clear it is a complex entity - the Stampede that is. One thing that stood out right away is that the city leases the land to the Stampeded for free essentially ($10.00 for 50 year lease). This is an enormous cost they don't incur.
The land was actually original owned by the stampede. It was then bought by R.B. Bennett who then gifted it to the city under the circumstance that the city would then lease it back to the Calgary Stampede. So really the city’s basically obligated to do so
11 minutes ago, Fanuck said:This struck me though :
When all is said and done, the Stampede has run operational surpluses of about $2 million to $3 million in each of the past five years. (Without government grants, its operations were in a deficit position of roughly $4.5 million to $7.5 million each year)
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4735486
The city gives it 7.5 million every year because it brings in 300 million to the city of Calgary. Pretty smart investment if you ask me.
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7 minutes ago, RRypien37 said:
Compete? Wear is there competition in riding a wild bull or horse? Or running down and lacing up a calve?
The types of horses used in chucks ARE born to races. They been bred that way and that is what they are meant to do. This is what makes them happy. When they retire them it is extremely common they get really depressed and pass away.
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3 hours ago, Fanuck said:
Admittedly I can't personally substantiate this, but I've heard from a number of sources including a close personal friend of mine rather high up with a oil/gas company that the actual 'rodeo' part of the stampede hasn't made money in a long, long time. That's why they have things like rides, games , carnival, concerts, ect...to make up for the 'rodeo' not making money. The city/province and hundreds of private companies subsidise the entire event heavily. My friends company alone puts in over six figures every year. So while the entity of the stampede might generate economic benefits let's not kid ourselves about how much money the rodeo part itself is generating.
Yeah that’s actually not true. The rodeo charges it’s own access at around $75-120 per ticket to watch. That’s on top of the $18 to get into the grounds. The rodeo itself brings in just shy of $50 million revenue per year once you include ticket sales, tv advertisement, and in ground sponsors.
Also the carnival isn’t a Calgary carnival its a traveling one and heads up to Edmonton 5 days after the stampede. There’s a reason why everyone’s heard of the the stampede and no one outside of Alberta has heard of K-Days. K-days is the Stampeded without the rodeo and It brings in half a million less people. So yes the rodeo does have an economic benefit.
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1 hour ago, PistolPete13 said:
Your inferences are pretty clear. However there are a few “clowns” out there who don’t agree with you. That makes for interesting discussion. P
Your opinion is the exact same as mine. Haha aka why you might be smart to read that wall of text before insulting someone.
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The puzzling part is people actually believe that. I guess it’s because it’s been parroted over and over to the point where people around here think its fact. Tell a lie enough times and it becomes the truth, I guess.
Nothing about his U20 year in Finland was historical. It was solid at best and it really takes only two seconds to look up the stats debunk this made up theory. Here I’ll do the work for you.
https://www.eliteprospects.com/league/liiga/stats/all-time-season?position=d&age=u20&sort=ppg
Tell me how this is historical. It’s not. He put up .5 p/gp. Impressive for a U20. But He matched the same point production as “legend” ville pokka. Laaksonen Sabre’s 3rd round pick from 2017 just produced a more “historic” season. Yet no knows even heard of him on these boards.
The fact that you compare his season to EP actually record breaking season is insulting.
Can you please stop fabricating narratives. While it may give you favor to some on these boards, its negatively adding fuel to abs simply causing more people to be falsely misguided.