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I still wanna see linden and benning have some success out of the gate but getting one of those players would be unreal haha.
If we do tank next year I kinda hope we take a dman(unless Mcdavid or Eichel are there). Do the opposite of what Edmonton did, grab the franchise dman first then start taking forwards. Then your 23 yr old dman steps into the league and grows with your star 20yr old forwards.
I don't see this team missing playoffs again. So many things went wrong this year for it to happen (injuries, dumb coach, mass team slumps). There's just too much talent on this roster for last year to not be just a small blimp. Sedins will probably come back next year with a ton more drive.. I think our best option at getting a high pick next year is through a kesler trade this offseason or at the draft this year.
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Here are Ehlers most updated stats
Ehlers is 5ft11 3/4 and 176 pounds.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolaj_Ehlers
There were few comparables who busted . Filatov Burmistrov Cherpanov The first are Russian and never played juniors here. Whatever the scouts saw in them must have been on good faith because there was no way to compare it to our juniors. They seem to have an easier time adjusting when they come from the SEL.
Here are the others:
Jackub Voracek. He went the same route as Ehlers has now. He is listed as 6ft 1 and 188 pounds when drafted.
http://www.mynhldraft.com/2007-NHL-Mock-Draft
Nick Backstrom was listed as 6ft 180 when drafted so is virtually identical
http://www.mynhldraft.com/2006
Frolik was from the same draft as Backstrom and he was listed as 6ft1 and 187 again, an inch taller and 11 pounds heavier but still in the range.
Mikkel Boedker is also from Denmark and was listed as 5ft 11 but an eye popping 200 lbs so even though he is an inch shorter his stockiness would put him in another class.
Oliver EkmanLarsson was drafted in 2009 at a modest 6ft and 165 pounds.
MPS was drafted by the Oilers 10th in the same draft. He was only 6ft1 and 187 then. An inch taller and a little heavier.
http://www.mynhldraft.com/2009/round1
Mikkel Grandlund was listed at 5ft 10 and 180 pounds. Two inches shorter but we should include him. He just put up 41 points in 63 games.
http://www.mynhldraft.com/2010/round1
Mikeal Zibanejad was listed as 6ft 1 and 183. Inch taller and a few pounds more
http://www.mynhldraft.com/2011/round1
Yakupov is only 5ft 11 and 188 pounds but he played a year in the CHL . He might be sucking right now but he still a high end talent. http://www.mynhldraft.com/2012-NHL-draft-results/round-1
Elias Lindholm is also 6ft but he is 190 so we are getting too stocky to be included.
So to sum up :
Three busts - Burmistrov, Filatov Cherpanov ........all Russians who played in Russia for the junior careers.
The rest
Vorack, Backstrom, Boedekker OEL Granlund, Zibanejad, Yakupov Its up to you to decide if these are 'busts' or not.
This of course is based soley on their size and their draft position. Not their talent.
Note; Erik Karlsson was 5ft 11 and 155 pounds when he was drafted, but he didnt go until 15th. I would suspect his size was the reasoning.
Cherepanov was not a bust. He was an unreal talent and had all the tools to be a top 10 offensive player in this league.
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I am also liking Shawn Mattias. Given more icetime, he could become a 15 goal 30 point guy who also crashes and bangs. 6ft 4 and 232 pounds I do believe. Actually he shaved down to 225.
Say what you will about Gillis, his last trade he made as a Canuck was a good one.
I actually think he could be better than that. He did put up 14 goals and 21 points in the 48 game lock out year. Giving the right ice time and right line mates. We will see what happens this off season but the Booth Matthias Kassian line at the end of last year was our best line a lot of nights.
I do agree tho, this team doesn't need a big PWF, We could really use some high end skill. Someone to compliment our current young roster
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I know you want Ritchie, but if we have Dal Colle fall into our laps you should have a heart attack from the excitement.
He is younger and already better than all of our current forward prospects in their offensive abilities.
This is a relatively friendly board, and putting different symbols like # @ etc to swear and insult others is going to most likley get you banned from the boards very quickly.
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I really think the Isles are gonna go Ehlers or Nylander now unless Bennett slid to them, but I doubt that too now scouts are very high on Bennett, I use to think there was a chance because of his injury and other players shining in the U18 tourney and the playoffs buttttt doesnt look like he will slide past 4th. Never know though
Sounds to me like Isle want Dal Colle
I was just listening to NHL radio, Mike Morreale (an NHL.com writer) was on talking about the prospects since he’s at the combine right now.
Summary was:
Ekblad is likely to go first overall but could slip (similar to seth jones) as defense aren’t as exciting picks (since they take longer to develop) and don’t usually drop due to higher risk.
Reinhart and Bennett are both skilled and they gave Reinhart the slight egde.
Draisaitl could slide into the top 2 or 3 spot as he’s is highly touted and very similar to Jagr, Might be the perfect pick for the oilers if Ekblad is taken.
Demko will be the highest drafted American goalie since Campbell.
Nylander has enough skill to be in consideration for number 1 spot, size and character could see him fall
Dal Colle is everything the islanders are looking for in a player. and he should fall to them. He does have the upside to be the steal even at number 5. A big, skilled winger to play alongside Tavares.
Hunter Smith had the biggest increase this year as he was originally scouted to go 138 and now is 34.
They did talk about the possibility of Florida trading down for a young NHL ready winger and a pick, so they could pick a goalie prospect that can come in and develop in their system and under Luongo. Owners do want to make a playoff push now that they are dishing out the dollars for Luongo so they can’t afford not to, Winning sells seats and there star goalie is only getting older. It will all come down to if they see something to turn them off the idea of Ekland and Reinhart, and what kind of offers they could get. Trading that pick rarely happens.
Ehlers, Virtanen weren’t mentioned at all and even Ritchie was only briefly mentioned. Not to say they don’t think highly of them, just didn’t say much.
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You seem to forget that at the trade deadline there were less players available to go to playoff teams (less than 10 teams were actually sellers at that point). Demand was high and supply was low. Also Kesler only has 2 playoff runs vs 3 he had on deadline. Now that the supply is higher, either through trades or free agency, one could expect Kesler's value to be lower. Moreover, there is more time during the offseason which means less pressure for potential suitors (they won't make knee-jerk offers in response to other teams moves as is often the case on deadline day). Thus, I think Kesler's value and the offers we will receive have dropped. But there is always the chance that a team will overpay--I really hope this is what happens.
I can see why you think that, but I'll still disagree.
We only had a 3 team bidding war for Kes trade dead line. And that was them only offering what they could afford to not hurt there team come playoff time.
Now 29 teams have the option to put up the price for him. At the dead line we were just going to recieve prospects and draft picks to not disrupt team chemistry. Now any roster player and pick is availble. Also at the time we had no idea where each pick was situated. Canucks were sitting with the 13th overall and the OTT (ana) pick was 12th overal at the time of the deadline. For all we know pit's could have been the 29th. Now that it's set we can see what the real value is and have a good idea of what player we will likely get in that position.
The market for players like Kesler isn't big. Not many players can replace what he brings, expecially in big games.
Also teams don't worry about his 2 years left on his contract. If they want him still they will just resign him.
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I think even though there may be more suitors this offseason. Kesler's value has dropped since the trade deadline. Those teams could have picked him up for 3 playoff runs now they only get him for two playoff runs.
No Keslers value hasn't dropped. At trade dead line there were only a small amount of teams that could add him due to cap space and they also didn't want to give up any players already making an impact in the NHL.
Now the list of teams if wide open, Depending on where Kes wants to play, and it's a complete buffet to what teams will be willing to give up to get him. Were not just stuck to young prospects and late first round picks.
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precisely.
a claim like 'there are no franchise players in this draft' is like pretending to know what the weather will be on this day in 2019.
high of 32 and a slight chance of afternoon showers.
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Concussions are like when a computer gets dropped a few times- maybe there was a problem before with the computer but dropping it creates a whole new set of issues and compounds existing issues.
A player that can no longer cognitively function at the highest levels often begins experiencing/accumulating other injuries.
It's really slowing crosby down this year.....
Speaking for experience with concussion related symptoms, once your symptoms are gone, there is zero effect on your game. ZERO. If is it effecting a person’s game dizziness/ waking up with headaches, then that player would / should not be playing as it can great effect the rest of their lives. The only way it could affect you would be mentally playing scared about getting hit again. But that is a mental effect and not a concussion related symptoms.
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Sammuelson was expendable at the point he was traded, even though im not a Booth fan at all. Letting Ehrhoff go was all money related. Keeping Ballard over him was nuts though. I remember a lot of CDCer's wanted to keep Ballard over Ehrhoff.... shows you the level of competence in here.
Canucks offered Ehrhoff 4.6 million for 6 years and he turned it down. Ehrhoff want longer term then 6 and a front loaded deal. canucks didn't want to give that to him and made the smart move to send him packing. He wouldn't have solved this teams issues anyway and we would have been stuck with a 10 year deal.
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Yakupov played in the OHL.
My point isn't that European Skaters under 6 feet don't turn out to be good players rather my point is that historically speaking, European Skaters under 6 feet don't get drafted in the top 5 (as some people think Nylander will be), In fact only 2 have been drafted in the top 12 in the last 20 drafts.
Are you saying one of Fiala or Nylander doesn't get drafted in the top 12 then?
I say one does, likely Nylander
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Looking at it this way, not very Moneypuck is it...
I would also include Ballard in there that further handicapped the team in cap space, thereby preventing different pieces to the Canucks equation to be added for a push.
To me, the main notable mistake Gillis did, is by indecision and hesitation. Successful people make decisions quick. A Schneider/ Luongo decision was never made. in 2010, Luongo went on to win the gold medal and was the top NHL goaltender not named Thomas and that's because the Bruins were healthy going into the Stanley Cup Final while the Canucks weren't.
Schneider should have been traded the following summer. Luongo had signed his long-term contract in 2010, making him the Canucks goaltender for the next decade. By 2011, Schneider and the Canucks were at the height of their value and the returns on a Schneider trade at the time would have been greater than a 9th pick two years later. Having had played 25 games in the 2011 campaign, combined with the Canucks' run to the top, Schneider was then a very hot commodity.
Lose Schneider, lose the entire goaltender controversy that ensued.
Indecision by Gillis created the greatest clusterf*ck this team has ever seen.
Yeah his whopping 39 NHL games would have made him an extremely hot commodity. What did Bernier get in his deal? Wait when has there ever been a 25 year old goalie with less than 50 NHL games get more than a top 10 pick? It doesn't happen. But you keep dreaming..
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Gillis tied up $19m of Aqua man's dough for a brain injured player that continued to suffer injuries as a Canuck.
That deal helped shut the window by denying Kes a second line winger when blowing the remaining available cap space on a multtiple,severely concussed player.
Gillis also recieved 35 year old Reinprecht in that deal,a player that never played in the NHL again,while paying out $2.175 m to ditch him in Chicago.
$21m for a third liner and a third rounder.
CDC logic
Blame Gillis for trading for a player that has had an injury in his past.....
Freak out when he lets the injury riddled 37 Salo sign with Tampa.
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I just meant "European Skaters" as central scouting defines it...pretty much anyone who plays outside of the Canada and the US.
So yes there have only been 2 (Grandlund and Chistov) European Skaters (Sweden, Finland, Germany, Russian, Czech, Solvakia, etc) who were under 6 feet to go in the first 12 picks in the last 20 drafts.
Yakupov?
Kind of a pointless stat if you ask me, so what if they weren't drafted in the top 12 why not just the first round.
It's not like they hasn't been any good European players in the NHL that are un 6'0.
Naslund was only listed at 5'11 in his draft year. Backstrom was 5'11 1/2. Bure was even smaller.
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The Booth and Luongo deals come to mind,amongst others.
You mean the booth deal where we ditched two old players and also picked up a 3rd which we used to draft Cassels, I'd make that deal any day. even with Booth going through the injuries. Prior to his knee injury he was on pace to put up 20 goals in 60 games.
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1)Can you provide a list of the 6ft 176 players (if he never grows anymore or puts on one ounce of weight after age 18) that get 'pushed around' in the NHL? Then contrast that to a list of the other 90% 6ft 176 pound players who dont?
2)Every other player who put up the stats as Ehlers did since the lock out are now first liners, stars and one second liner. There is no prospect who DIDNT translate his skill. Not ONE.
3)Your claim to be unimpressed is irrelevant.
Your love for Virtanen is duly noted but all you have done here is put down the other prospects and sugar coat Virtanen. It renders the opinion useless.
Alexandre Daigle, Put up huge numbers in the Q, and it never translated to the NHL. It does happens, Junior career's no matter how successful they are don't always translate to the NHL, the fact that this was he first year in NA makes him even more riskier, could this just have been a fluke year where he caught fire or is this just the peak of whats to come. Lots of question marks around him
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I think we could get amazing value trading down. A lot of scouts have him hovering around 10. Trade our pick for a 1st and 2nd or a b/c prospect. Or try and swing two 1sts from Anaheim and Theodore for Kes and Hansen or something. I'm thinking we might trade our 1st though.
It's too risky to trade down if we have a player in mind that we want. If Virtanen is our guy and we trade down to 10 and he goes 9 then were screwed. If he's the guy we want we pick him at 6. Not often does trading down ever work out. look at how many times the flames have done it and then missed on out a bunch of good picks. (think of the year they traded down to get Jankowski and missed out on Maata, Wilson, teravainen
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Richie is a lot better player than Virtanen, so I guess it will be him unless Draisatl falls, that would make the pick tougher. Draisatl is pretty good and a center, wheras Richie is a winger.
Flames have been eyeing up Draisalt, they have him pegged if the first three are selected. only way he's still around is if Oilers draft someone other than Bennett Reinhart or Ekblad, Oilers have been talking up Ritchie.
Out of the three (virtanen, Draisalt, and Ritchie) Draisalt fits our needs the best, a big center who could take over number 1 spot when hank retires.
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Listening to Benning today, I think it is fair to say we won't be drafting Nylander or Ehlers. He continually emphasized physicality and strength. I think it is fair to say he will draft either Virtanen or Ritchie (unless one of the top 5 drop).
Yep, that's what I go out of it too.
Calgary has it decided to four players They are guaranteed to get one of those four.
Draisaitl, Reinhart, Ekblad, & Bennett
It’s been said in the draft to select the BPA, but this year it’s too close to determine what player is actually better. So since players are that close in skill I can see many teams selecting to their team needs. Both Bennett and Reinhart can play wing but down the stretch Bennett was playing wing. I can see Reinhart slipping somewhat because of this. EDM will likely pick him up at third.
Buffalo
Hodgson
Grigorenko
Girgenson
Florida
Huberdeau
Bjudstad
Barkov
Trade depending, top five likely go in the order of:
FLA –Ekblad
BUF – Bennett
EDM – Reinhart
CGY – Draisaitl
NYI – Dal Colle
Islanders have decided to keep their pick this year so I think it’s safe to say they are picking one of the top 5, Likely Dal colle is the guy who’s available. It will really come down to what the Oilers decide to do. There’s a lot of talk that they like what Ritchie can bring to their top 6 as they are currently lacking size. If Reinhart or Ekblad are available I think they take them, if they are gone I can see them either trading down, or selecting Ritchie 3rd overall.
Canucks either draft Richtie or Virtanen.
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Ehlers and Nylander don't seem like an option after that interview.
Was really hoping for Nylander.
Oh well they know better than I do.
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Getting bigger in draft.
Goodbye, Ehlers and Nylander.
yep, narrowed down to Ritchie and Virtanen
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Basically said it's going to be Ritchie or Virtanen bring drafted, A big Skilled player that can play can rugged, and gritty
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One of the worst things for a 17/18 year old prospect is being labeled as being like "x" NHL player. These KIDS are just that KIDS!!! It is ridiculous for anyone to compare them to said player. The kids may have similar traits such as size, skating, position...but at that age you cannot stick them with a label of being the next Kessel, Kane, Benn, etc. Way too much pressure for these kids. Let them develop into their own player.
Case in point...whatever happened to Lindros being the next Gretzky???? Never really worked out that way.
All these KIDS will develop in their own way. Some may become stars and some may not. You never know that in 10-15 years we may say some other prospect looks like the next Ehlers. Which once again would not be fair.
As for Ehlers...don't know much about him but it sounds like he is a smart, skilled player. Something that the Canucks sorely need in the organization. That being said, I still think that Nylander has the highest hockey IQ and many say he has the most talent in the entire draft. If I were to choose between Ehlers and Nylander I would take Nylander every time.
Some have pointed out that Nylander has not played on North American ice and his skills would not work here because of the difference in size and that the North American game is too rough for him. Okay so he has not played the North American game. To be honest, not one of the players the Canucks draft at 6 will be playing in the NHL for at least a few years. Now if the Canucks select Nylander hopefully they would be able to convince him to move over to play in the AHL. He has already been playing against men in Sweden. (Playing against men already is a huge advantage for Nylander) However, I would guess he would probably stay one more year in Sweden then make the move to the AHL.
i'll let you go re- read my last post. Not once did I say these players were infact then next "x" in fact all i did was compare their skillsets as they are similar to prove a point that Kessel and Backstrom are completely different players.
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Ryan O'Reilly please and thanks
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Nice write up Elbow.
There is no reason why Ritchie cannot thrive in the NHL. I am not going to cry a river if we pick him. If we pick anyone other than those 3 , I would be disappointed at #6 (assuming Dal Colle and Daisaitl are gone)
My question is this;
If Linden / Benning pass up on Ritchie, wouldnt it be to get an elite level scorer ? Ergo Ehlers/ Nylander?
What would their rationale to pass up Ritchie.............for the sake of taking Virtanen? Ritchie is a bigger version of Virtanen and has a high hockey IQ.
No we dont want a huge winger with an excellent shot and fairly high IQ............we want the same physical winger who is smaller but is slightly faster with a noticeably lower IQ ?
This is why for me the Canucks will not pick Virtanen. He offers nothing that Ritchie, Ehlers and Nylander can also offer. Ritchie for the power winger. Ehlers for his amazing talents, or Nylander for his brains and skill .
I think your looking at it wrong each player brings something different to the table
Ehlers - a skilled goal scorer with great speed and hands.
Comparable - Kessel
Virtanen - A fast skating, rough playing goal scorer
Comparable - E.Kane
Nylander - A highly gifted visionary with great play making ability
Comparable - Backstrom
Ritchie - A big powerforward who uses size to dominate his competition.
Comparable - Benn
Just because I have Kessel doesn't mean I don't want backstrom aswell, Same with Kane and Benn
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6th Pick: 2014 NHL Entry Draft
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There’s no need to rebuild. Last year was an off year where everything went wrong all at once.
We have young players (Kassian, Tanev, Lack) slowing coming and making an impact in the league already. And we also have two stars that are signed for 4 more years. Our D core is strong and with the right coaching can get back on track. Sedins are not 40-50 point players, Edler is not a -30 player. Our team is filled with Olympians is a sign that yes we are strong enough to compete in this league.
Teams that go full rebuild are at that point because they don’t have any more options. The core they have isn’t enough to make playoffs and so they trade youth just to make a playoff push. They are then left with an old core and no youth coming up in the system. Canucks haven’t been trading away our prospects, So we don’t have to go that route.
We have a good core, and even getting high pick doesn’t guarantee that the next core will become any better than the core we already have. We’d waste 5 years of missing playoffs and be right back at the same spot we are now. A core trying to make playoffs and make a push.
As long as this core is good enough to make playoffs without having to add to it by giving up youth, there is no need for a rebuild. With good scouting and a good player development in place we can make the transition to the new core smooth and exciting. Our youth coming up with start to make some of the older players expendable (Horvat eventually replacing Kesler) and allow us to move them for either impact pieces our higher draft picks.
Also the core doesn’t need to be a full line up. In my opinion Higgins, Hansen, booth, Garrison are not the current core. The core is 4 forwards (Hossa, Sharp, Kane, Toews) , 2 Defencemen (Keith, Seabrook) and a goalie. The players outside that core are all expendable if the right deal comes along. (Kassian, Jensen?, Horvat?, Shinkaruk?) (Tanev, Corrado?) (Lack/Markstrom?). At most we should only have a max of 7 NTC’s on our roster.
And if were building that next core and we want this pick to be part of that. We should be picking a center with first line potential. Someone to give us that 1, 2 punch down the middle. Depending on who drop’s but we should either be trading up to get one of Bennett, Reinhart, Draisaitl, or picking Nylander if we don’t trade and he’s still available at 6.
My Opinion anyways