inane Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Because we can't eliminate driving nor have some safe automated bot do it all for us. And the train is supposed to be a safe alternative to driving. Arguing it's a one in a million thing is going to be little comfort to the rare few who do fall victim, and it certainly doesn't help with the perception of safety on the train. One such incident is one too many! IT IS A SAFE ALTERNATIVE. A MUCH SAFER ALTERNATIVE. How do you not see that? 1 incident every 1.4 million skytrain users. I wonder how many people die for every 1.4 million car users? Do you think it's more than 1? Why is that ok? Why is it ok to justify CCTV cameras in, on, around and everywhere for transit in the name of safety when that money would be much better spent on automobiles where safety is much worse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buggernut Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 IT IS A SAFE ALTERNATIVE. A MUCH SAFER ALTERNATIVE. How do you not see that? 1 incident every 1.4 million skytrain users. I wonder how many people die for every 1.4 million car users? Do you think it's more than 1? Why is that ok? Why is it ok to justify CCTV cameras in, on, around and everywhere for transit in the name of safety when that money would be much better spent on automobiles where safety is much worse? What do you suggest we do with automobiles to make them safer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 What do you suggest we do with automobiles to make them safer? I don't know, that's not my point. My point is, if safety is your reasoning than putting cameras all over skytrain is a poor use of resources. It's done based on ignorant fear, completely in the face of actual facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buggernut Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 I don't know, that's not my point. My point is, if safety is your reasoning than putting cameras all over skytrain is a poor use of resources. It's done based on ignorant fear, completely in the face of actual facts. How about safety and general abuse of the system (eg. graffiti, vandalism, unruly behaviour, etc.)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbo Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 I don't know, that's not my point. My point is, if safety is your reasoning than putting cameras all over skytrain is a poor use of resources. It's done based on ignorant fear, completely in the face of actual facts. I tend to agree with this. However, if cameras give people the perception that things are 'safer' when before they were 'dangerous', it will increase ridership. Which is probably their main goal anyway, I'd bet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitronuts Posted August 14, 2009 Author Share Posted August 14, 2009 (edited) I tend to agree with this. However, if cameras give people the perception that things are 'safer' when before they were 'dangerous', it will increase ridership. Which is probably their main goal anyway, I'd bet. That's absolutely correct. Much of it has to do with the psychological perception of being safe.....that's also one reason why fare gates are being installed. Crime Prevention Through Environmental Design (CPTD) was a tenet for designing both the Millennium and Canada Line stations, and it's also widely used for most developments in the region from condos to schools to office buildings. But its elements are best shown with transit stations, which includes: surveillance (large windows, sufficient lighting, clear sightlines, no sharp corners, CCTV); controlled access (There are limited access points on our transit system because there's not enough people to support more access points for natural surveillance. It becomes unsafe with more entrances. Fare gates are also part of CPTD in transit)....and there's a lot more. Anyhow, something we can be unified on....trashing the Canada Line :D (note what is highlighted in red): Details of the Canada Line opening day festivities! Finally: here’s the skinny on Canada Line’s opening day and the many celebrations surrounding it! Fare-free day: what to expect on Canada Line’s opening day •Ride the Canada Line for free from 1 p.m. to 9 p.m. on Monday, August 17! Remember that fare-free day applies to Canada Line only: fares are required on the rest of the TransLink network, including SkyTrain. •Get on at any station! Entertainment, giveaways, and more are planned for almost all stations (see the list below), and “welcome portals” with lots of info are at four stations (Vancouver City Centre, Broadway-City Hall, Oakridge, Bridgeport, Lansdowne). •Bikes won’t be allowed on Canada Line owing to crowds. But you can leave your ride with the Bike Valet at three stations: Broadway-City Hall, Oakridge, and Marine Drive Stations. Strollers can be left with Bike Valet too. •Big crowds are expected, so be prepared for long waits. Depending on the station, crowds, and time of day, the wait could range from a few minutes to an hour or more. •If you get off at a station, you have to line up again to get back on the train. But trains run about four minutes apart, and at selected stations, you can get your special Canada Line passport stamped—collect all the stamps and you could win a grand prize worth thousands of dollars (more on that over here.) •Dress for the weather and the waits! Wear shoes you don’t mind standing in, check the forecast, and be prepared for whatever Mother Nature throws at us. Canadian Springs will be offering free water along the line too. •To reduce crowding at Waterfront Station on opening day, people coming into downtown Vancouver are encouraged to get off at Vancouver City Centre. You can walk up Granville Street to get to Waterfront Station or reach the Expo and Millennium Lines through Vancouver Centre Mall and The Bay. •Bathrooms, information and first aid help can be found all along the line — check our opening day map for locations and a brief description of the entertainment at the stations. (Add .pdf to the end of the map filename if you’re using Firefox on a Mac.) Entertainment and prizes along the line •Musicians, magicians, giveaways and more are planned for almost every station along the line! I’ll point out highlights here, but here’s the full list of planned entertainment (subject to change), and a PDF version of the same list. •Again, check this handy opening day map from our Canada Line section for a brief description of the entertainment at each stations (plus bathroom locations and more). •Get a souvenir Canada Line passport while quantities last, have it stamped at 11 stations along the line, and you could win thousands of dollars in gift cards from Lansdowne Centre, Pacific Centre, Oakridge Centre and Richmond Centre. (Stamping locations are on the opening day map!) •Three stations will have opening ceremonies starting around 12-1pm ◦Broadway-City Hall (around noon with Vancouver city council) ◦Bridgeport (around 12:45 p.m. organized by River Rock Casino—first person to enter the station wins a River Rock package!) ◦Richmond-Brighouse (around 12:45 p.m. with Richmond city council) •Waterfront Station will have musicians on hand, plus take a short walk to the new Canada Place Welcome Centre — play Canadian trivia and win prizes, collect pins, and get temporary tattoos! •At Vancouver City Centre, Pacific Centre will be giving away goodie bags and chances to win shopping sprees! The Bay will also be on hand promoting Olympic merchandise and more. •At Yaletown-Roundhouse, the Roundhouse Community Centre will pull out their steam train, Old 374, for a public viewing. •At Broadway-City Hall, the Cambie Village Welcome booth will give away goodie bags with special offers from Cambie merchants along the Cambie corridor. •King Edward Station will have Paralympic curling demonstrations (it’s closest station to the curling venue for the 2010 Winter Olympic and Paralympic Games). •At Oakridge-41st Ave, two Jewish community groups will unveil mosaics to be installed in the sidewalks near the station, and Oakridge Centre will give away chances to win a shopping spree. •At Langara-49th Ave, Langara College invites you to enjoy hot dogs and coffee at their new sustainable library building, just steps from the station! •At Bridgeport, the River Rock Casino is bringing their Elvis out to sing, plus giving away Mardi Gras beads, buffet coupons, and more. •Lansdowne Station will have Paralympic basketball demonstrations, plus Lansdowne Centre is offering horse and carriage rides to the mall, and chances to win a trip to Whistler! •Richmond-Brighouse will have a Chinese lion dance performance, and folks from Richmond Centre will have chances to win a $2,500 shopping spree. •And at YVR-Airport, check out the new observation deck, see a working Lego model of the Canada Line, get a free frozen treat and more! •Once more, the super useful opening day map from our Canada Line section is a quick guide to all this entertainment, bathroom locations, bike valet spots, and more! How long before someone falls onto the tracks and is killed? (suicide or accidental) Seattle's new Link rail had its first fatality, which was a suicide, two weeks after opening. Edited August 14, 2009 by nitronuts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Common sense Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 Anyone know whether the crowds on the 17th will be as close to, or the same as, the ones we're expecting on Sept 7? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitronuts Posted August 14, 2009 Author Share Posted August 14, 2009 ^ i highly doubt it'll be anywhere as bad, but you'll certainly notice more riders on the system on the 7th compared to the 6th. We need your train pushers Bucky! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitronuts Posted August 14, 2009 Author Share Posted August 14, 2009 Not exactly transit related, but these open houses will determine the fate of Playland, the PNE, and Hastings Park as we know it: Open Houses: Be a Part of the Plan Hastings Park/PNE Master Plan Drop by an open house to share your ideas and suggestions on the future of Hastings Park. It’s your chance to learn about the Hastings Park/PNE Master Plan, which is rethinking the park as a greener, more active, year-round destination. The plan also includes renewal of the Pacific National Exhibition and Playland, and improved connections to the waterfront and surrounding community. Your feedback will help guide the Master Plan and a new vision for Hastings Park. Wednesday, August 26 and Thursday, August 27 from 11 am - 7 pm Slocan Street at Hastings (next to the Laughing Bean Café) Saturday, August 29 and Sunday, August 30 from 11 am - 11 pm Saturday, September 5, Sunday, September 6 and Monday, September 7 from 11 am - 11 pm Look for our tent at the Pacific National Exhibition (PNE) We could potentially see the Fair and Playland downsized substantially depending on how the City greens Hastings Park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 (edited) Just heard on CBC radio that the fare gates are being delayed until at the earliest 2013. Weak. Grow up translink. edit: 2012. http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/...es-delayed.html Edited August 14, 2009 by inane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.x Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 ^ likely a political move to get the mayors behind Translink's tax hike plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 http://www.vancouversun.com/travel/Critica...2086/story.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 http://www.citycaucus.com/2009/08/ive-seen...r-and-its-scary When will the Province understand... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minion Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 Not exactly transit related, but these open houses will determine the fate of Playland, the PNE, and Hastings Park as we know it: Open Houses: Be a Part of the Plan Hastings Park/PNE Master Plan Drop by an open house to share your ideas and suggestions on the future of Hastings Park. It’s your chance to learn about the Hastings Park/PNE Master Plan, which is rethinking the park as a greener, more active, year-round destination. The plan also includes renewal of the Pacific National Exhibition and Playland, and improved connections to the waterfront and surrounding community. Your feedback will help guide the Master Plan and a new vision for Hastings Park. Wednesday, August 26 and Thursday, August 27 from 11 am - 7 pm Slocan Street at Hastings (next to the Laughing Bean Café) Saturday, August 29 and Sunday, August 30 from 11 am - 11 pm Saturday, September 5, Sunday, September 6 and Monday, September 7 from 11 am - 11 pm Look for our tent at the Pacific National Exhibition (PNE) We could potentially see the Fair and Playland downsized substantially depending on how the City greens Hastings Park. Even more downsizing? They already got rid of soo much stuff though. Watch them raise the prices even more . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahzdeen Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 http://www.citycaucus.com/2009/08/ive-seen...r-and-its-scary When will the Province understand... That's odd. When I went to LA, the place I stayed at was right off the 101. I think I only had problems on 1 day when we made the mistake of trying to come home at 6 for dinner. All the other times the highways were pretty smooth sailing. The I-5, I-110, I-10, US-101, they were all pretty decent. The I-5 also has the HOV lane require 3 occupants during rush hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefCon1 Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 That's absolutely correct. Much of it has to do with the psychological perception of being safe.....that's also one reason why fare gates are being installed. Crime Prevention Through Environmental Design (CPTD) was a tenet for designing both the Millennium and Canada Line stations, and it's also widely used for most developments in the region from condos to schools to office buildings. But its elements are best shown with transit stations, which includes: surveillance (large windows, sufficient lighting, clear sightlines, no sharp corners, CCTV); controlled access (There are limited access points on our transit system because there's not enough people to support more access points for natural surveillance. It becomes unsafe with more entrances. Fare gates are also part of CPTD in transit)....and there's a lot more. Anyhow, something we can be unified on....trashing the Canada Line :D (note what is highlighted in red): Details of the Canada Line opening day festivities! Finally: here’s the skinny on Canada Line’s opening day and the many celebrations surrounding it! Fare-free day: what to expect on Canada Line’s opening day •Ride the Canada Line for free from 1 p.m. to 9 p.m. on Monday, August 17! Remember that fare-free day applies to Canada Line only: fares are required on the rest of the TransLink network, including SkyTrain. •Get on at any station! Entertainment, giveaways, and more are planned for almost all stations (see the list below), and “welcome portals” with lots of info are at four stations (Vancouver City Centre, Broadway-City Hall, Oakridge, Bridgeport, Lansdowne). •Bikes won’t be allowed on Canada Line owing to crowds. But you can leave your ride with the Bike Valet at three stations: Broadway-City Hall, Oakridge, and Marine Drive Stations. Strollers can be left with Bike Valet too. •Big crowds are expected, so be prepared for long waits. Depending on the station, crowds, and time of day, the wait could range from a few minutes to an hour or more. •If you get off at a station, you have to line up again to get back on the train. But trains run about four minutes apart, and at selected stations, you can get your special Canada Line passport stamped—collect all the stamps and you could win a grand prize worth thousands of dollars (more on that over here.) •Dress for the weather and the waits! Wear shoes you don’t mind standing in, check the forecast, and be prepared for whatever Mother Nature throws at us. Canadian Springs will be offering free water along the line too. •To reduce crowding at Waterfront Station on opening day, people coming into downtown Vancouver are encouraged to get off at Vancouver City Centre. You can walk up Granville Street to get to Waterfront Station or reach the Expo and Millennium Lines through Vancouver Centre Mall and The Bay. •Bathrooms, information and first aid help can be found all along the line — check our opening day map for locations and a brief description of the entertainment at the stations. (Add .pdf to the end of the map filename if you’re using Firefox on a Mac.) Entertainment and prizes along the line •Musicians, magicians, giveaways and more are planned for almost every station along the line! I’ll point out highlights here, but here’s the full list of planned entertainment (subject to change), and a PDF version of the same list. •Again, check this handy opening day map from our Canada Line section for a brief description of the entertainment at each stations (plus bathroom locations and more). •Get a souvenir Canada Line passport while quantities last, have it stamped at 11 stations along the line, and you could win thousands of dollars in gift cards from Lansdowne Centre, Pacific Centre, Oakridge Centre and Richmond Centre. (Stamping locations are on the opening day map!) •Three stations will have opening ceremonies starting around 12-1pm ◦Broadway-City Hall (around noon with Vancouver city council) ◦Bridgeport (around 12:45 p.m. organized by River Rock Casino—first person to enter the station wins a River Rock package!) ◦Richmond-Brighouse (around 12:45 p.m. with Richmond city council) •Waterfront Station will have musicians on hand, plus take a short walk to the new Canada Place Welcome Centre — play Canadian trivia and win prizes, collect pins, and get temporary tattoos! •At Vancouver City Centre, Pacific Centre will be giving away goodie bags and chances to win shopping sprees! The Bay will also be on hand promoting Olympic merchandise and more. •At Yaletown-Roundhouse, the Roundhouse Community Centre will pull out their steam train, Old 374, for a public viewing. •At Broadway-City Hall, the Cambie Village Welcome booth will give away goodie bags with special offers from Cambie merchants along the Cambie corridor. •King Edward Station will have Paralympic curling demonstrations (it’s closest station to the curling venue for the 2010 Winter Olympic and Paralympic Games). •At Oakridge-41st Ave, two Jewish community groups will unveil mosaics to be installed in the sidewalks near the station, and Oakridge Centre will give away chances to win a shopping spree. •At Langara-49th Ave, Langara College invites you to enjoy hot dogs and coffee at their new sustainable library building, just steps from the station! •At Bridgeport, the River Rock Casino is bringing their Elvis out to sing, plus giving away Mardi Gras beads, buffet coupons, and more. •Lansdowne Station will have Paralympic basketball demonstrations, plus Lansdowne Centre is offering horse and carriage rides to the mall, and chances to win a trip to Whistler! •Richmond-Brighouse will have a Chinese lion dance performance, and folks from Richmond Centre will have chances to win a $2,500 shopping spree. •And at YVR-Airport, check out the new observation deck, see a working Lego model of the Canada Line, get a free frozen treat and more! •Once more, the super useful opening day map from our Canada Line section is a quick guide to all this entertainment, bathroom locations, bike valet spots, and more! How long before someone falls onto the tracks and is killed? (suicide or accidental) Seattle's new Link rail had its first fatality, which was a suicide, two weeks after opening. Will the new Canada line resume normal operations on August 18th? I am planning to ride the Canada line to YVR and am wondering if my U-pass is valid for that line? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Common sense Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 Will the new Canada line resume normal operations on August 18th? I am planning to ride the Canada line to YVR and am wondering if my U-pass is valid for that line? Apparently, yes. It's gonna be a 2 week period where people can get adjusted to the RAV Line. Bigger question is when's the brighouse exchange going to be opened. Right now, we gotta walk about 5 minutes before being able to exchange buses. So far, the bus loop still looks like a construction zone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronthecivil Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 Just heard on CBC radio that the fare gates are being delayed until at the earliest 2013. Weak. Grow up translink. edit: 2012. http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/...es-delayed.html Good, fare gates are annoying. If they want to up enforcement and inhance the image of security, put more skypigs out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefCon1 Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 Good, fare gates are annoying. If they want to up enforcement and inhance the image of security, put more skypigs out there. I don't know if they "inhance" the image of security. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckyHermit Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 (edited) That's odd. When I went to LA, the place I stayed at was right off the 101. I think I only had problems on 1 day when we made the mistake of trying to come home at 6 for dinner. All the other times the highways were pretty smooth sailing. The I-5, I-110, I-10, US-101, they were all pretty decent. The I-5 also has the HOV lane require 3 occupants during rush hours. The HOV lanes in California require 2 occupants, the last time I checked. (Interstate 405 FTL) Edited August 14, 2009 by BuckyHermit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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