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We do.

Some people call it a knife. I don't know about you, but it's one damn good kit; you can commit suicide in FOUR different ways!!!!!

But that's a spoon. I've played knifey/spooney before.

Anyways, in other transit news...

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http://news1130.com/news/local/more.jsp?co...624_175414_5116

Mall, casino parking lots won't be free for Canada Line commuters

Oakridge Centre will enforce 4-hour restrictions; promises to ticket and tow violators

VANCOUVER/RICHMOND (NEWS1130) - Free parking lots along the Canada Line might be tempting for commuters, but using customer lots at Oakridge Centre mall or the River Rock Casino will get you a ticket, or towed. The mall and casino are sending out the warning now, before the Canada Line starts running later this summer. Kimberly MacAulay with Oakridge Centre says they'll be enforcing a four hour limit and offenders will be ticketed and towed away. She says she's been told no additional parking will be provided for commuters hopping on the Canada Line. "There will be some restrictions in the residential areas, to ensure the residents get their parking in front of their homes and then some increased parking meters."

Great Canadian Gaming Corporation, which runs the River Rock, says they're already dealing with long-term parkers because they're so close to YVR. A new $2 lot will be available for those getting on Canada Line at the River Rock, which they hope will deter long term parking in the free lot. They also have a licence plate recognition system they already used to ID long-term parkers.

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I'm not surprised. Some places (ie. HKYK restaurant near Aberdeen Station) have already started implementing pay-parking procedures (although for HKYK, you can get a parking refund if you eat at the restaurant).

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But that's a spoon. I've played knifey/spooney before.

Anyways, in other transit news...

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http://news1130.com/news/local/more.jsp?co...624_175414_5116

Mall, casino parking lots won't be free for Canada Line commuters

Oakridge Centre will enforce 4-hour restrictions; promises to ticket and tow violators

VANCOUVER/RICHMOND (NEWS1130) - Free parking lots along the Canada Line might be tempting for commuters, but using customer lots at Oakridge Centre mall or the River Rock Casino will get you a ticket, or towed. The mall and casino are sending out the warning now, before the Canada Line starts running later this summer. Kimberly MacAulay with Oakridge Centre says they'll be enforcing a four hour limit and offenders will be ticketed and towed away. She says she's been told no additional parking will be provided for commuters hopping on the Canada Line. "There will be some restrictions in the residential areas, to ensure the residents get their parking in front of their homes and then some increased parking meters."

Great Canadian Gaming Corporation, which runs the River Rock, says they're already dealing with long-term parkers because they're so close to YVR. A new $2 lot will be available for those getting on Canada Line at the River Rock, which they hope will deter long term parking in the free lot. They also have a licence plate recognition system they already used to ID long-term parkers.

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I'm not surprised. Some places (ie. HKYK restaurant near Aberdeen Station) have already started implementing pay-parking procedures (although for HKYK, you can get a parking refund if you eat at the restaurant).

Hmm...free parking at Sexsmith versus pay $2 for parking at RiverRock.

Now, if I park at UBC, it's just $5. Plus, it takes me about a good 40 minutes to get from Bridgeport to UBC.

RAV Line, thanks for making up my mind for me!

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Hmm...free parking at Sexsmith versus pay $2 for parking at RiverRock.

Now, if I park at UBC, it's just $5. Plus, it takes me about a good 40 minutes to get from Bridgeport to UBC.

RAV Line, thanks for making up my mind for me!

I'm quite sure they're closing down the Sexsmith lot if there's going to be a Bridgeport Station one.

It'd be a classic TransLink move.

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I'm quite sure they're closing down the Sexsmith lot if there's going to be a Bridgeport Station one.

It'd be a classic TransLink move.

They are. I asked them back at the Minoru open house in Feb 09.

The lot will be converted into handidart parking and development.

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Golden Ears Bridge records a busy first week

By Rebecca teBrake, Vancouver Sun

June 24, 2009

METRO VANCOUVER -- The debut week of the Golden Ears Bridge saw it carrying 17,000 more vehicles per day than projected, but more traffic won’t mean lower tolls.

The bridge’s electronic tolling system shows 329,000 vehicles, an average of 47,000 per day, crossed over June 16-22. TransLink had projected the number of daily crossings at 30,000.

“All we know for sure is, forecasts are wrong,” said Fred Cummings, TransLink vice-president of major projects.

“I think we had a lot of people coming out to drive the bridge to say that they drove the bridge in the first week of operation, but also to see what difference it does make in their travel time.”

Crossing the bridge is a free until July 16, when tolls kick in. Cummings said the tolls will likely mean the end of the higher-than-expected numbers.

“It’s a good news story for us on the revenue side if traffic numbers stay as high as they do, but typically when you add a toll to a bridge, the numbers go down,” Cummings said.

Still, TransLink has already leased 10,000 transponders — electronic devices that identify the vehicle’s owner. It had expected to lease only 5,000 by now.

More than 11,000 vehicles have been pre-registered online, making toll collection easier.

“That may not be a measure of future demand,” Cummings said. “What it does show is that people want to save money.”

Vehicle owners get toll discounts for leasing transponders and for pre-registering.

Even with initial indications of heavy use of the new bridge, drivers shouldn’t expect tolls to drop. TransLink needs the revenue to pay for the $1-billion bridge — a debt it hopes to pay off by 2041. Revenues will also support the operation and maintenance of the bridge.

The biggest payments will go to the Golden Crossing General Partnership, the body responsible for the building, operation and maintenance of the bridge. It is wholly owned by the German Bilfinger-Berger Project Investments.

The steep payment schedule will see TransLink forking over $500,000 per month in the first six months and $1.5 million a month for the next six months. That jumps to $3 million a month the following year and $4 million a month for the three years after that. After five years, TransLink will be paying $4.7 million a month.

The payments are linked to anticipated increases in bridge traffic.

TransLink predicts that for the next few years, 30,000 to 50,000 vehicles will cross the bridge daily, bringing in revenues of $30 million to $50 million a year.

By 2035, it hopes 70,000 to 90,000 vehicles will be crossing every day, bringing in an annual $65 million to $90 million.

If these targets aren’t met, the transit authority will still be on the hook for repaying Golden Crossing at the pre-set rates.

“If we exceed the forecast, we keep the money,” said TransLink spokesman Ken Hardie. “If we don’t make it, we will subsidize it with our general revenue.”

TransLink’s revenues come from transit fares, fuel taxes, property taxes, and parking sales tax. According to Hardie, the transportation authority would be in a position to make those payments if necessary, and had always planned to subsidize the bridge for the first few years.

TransLink could also create incentives for drivers crossing the bridge to close a revenue gap.

“If traffic doesn’t occur, we’ll have to make adjustments to the tolls to make the bridge more attractive to people,” Cummings said. Adjustments could include off-peak pricing and variable rates.

While it’s still early, some TransLink officials were hopeful the high initial numbers bode well.

“If we are doing better than we forecast, then that’s great,” Hardie said. “If a lower subsidy is needed and if there’s a profit then that’s great and it goes back into the system and pays for something else.”

Meanwhile, the number of crossings at the Albion Ferry, which is set to close July 31, dropped by 46 per cent last week.

rtebrake@vancouversun.com

© Copyright © The Vancouver Sun

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It makes sense to close Sexsmith with Bridgeport, at least 5x larger, opening up.

And then go ahead and charge people $2 for a service which will be inadequate and ineffective (they said it would be for "security personnel")?

Richmond's never had many/any problems with the Sexsmith PnR in terms of crime. It's only another cash grab in this whole system that we can the Canada Line

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^ 1,200 parking spaces at Bridgeport, that's quite a lot. Not to mention that the park and ride at Bridgeport is a P3 project with the casino next door.

I'm not sure how you got crime from that article, it has nothing to do with crime.

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^ 1,200 parking spaces at Bridgeport, that's quite a lot. Not to mention that the park and ride at Bridgeport is a P3 project with the casino next door.

I'm not sure how you got crime from that article, it has nothing to do with crime.

I was never talking about the article.

The "crime" issue was brought up by me during my rant at the Minoru open house. I suggested that since Sexsmith had gone without security presence for so long, why bother putting in a rent-a-cop and then charging people for something that wouldn't even be used? The idea seems ridiculous and more like a cash grab than anything else to me.

I can understand how Scott Road Stn's PnR needs to be enforced (it's literally minutes away from the notorious Whalley district), but the Richmond PnR is going to be a high-traffic area, as well as the fact that it's in a much less crime-ridden area (then again, compared to Whalley, everything's better.)

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6) Trains will run 3-4 min apart, except for the 2 richmond arms, trains may run up to 7 minutes apart in off-peak hours. There are LED signs on the platforms in every station telling you the realtime arrival time of the next 3 trains.

They should have these at the Skytrain stations, they could project the times on the LED news boards or the new TV's at each station

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Golden Ears Bridge records a busy first week

By Rebecca teBrake, Vancouver Sun

June 24, 2009

METRO VANCOUVER -- The debut week of the Golden Ears Bridge saw it carrying 17,000 more vehicles per day than projected, but more traffic won’t mean lower tolls.

The bridge’s electronic tolling system shows 329,000 vehicles, an average of 47,000 per day, crossed over June 16-22. TransLink had projected the number of daily crossings at 30,000.

“All we know for sure is, forecasts are wrong,” said Fred Cummings, TransLink vice-president of major projects.

“I think we had a lot of people coming out to drive the bridge to say that they drove the bridge in the first week of operation, but also to see what difference it does make in their travel time.”

Crossing the bridge is a free until July 16, when tolls kick in. Cummings said the tolls will likely mean the end of the higher-than-expected numbers.

“It’s a good news story for us on the revenue side if traffic numbers stay as high as they do, but typically when you add a toll to a bridge, the numbers go down,” Cummings said.

Still, TransLink has already leased 10,000 transponders — electronic devices that identify the vehicle’s owner. It had expected to lease only 5,000 by now.

More than 11,000 vehicles have been pre-registered online, making toll collection easier.

“That may not be a measure of future demand,” Cummings said. “What it does show is that people want to save money.”

Vehicle owners get toll discounts for leasing transponders and for pre-registering.

Even with initial indications of heavy use of the new bridge, drivers shouldn’t expect tolls to drop. TransLink needs the revenue to pay for the $1-billion bridge — a debt it hopes to pay off by 2041. Revenues will also support the operation and maintenance of the bridge.

The biggest payments will go to the Golden Crossing General Partnership, the body responsible for the building, operation and maintenance of the bridge. It is wholly owned by the German Bilfinger-Berger Project Investments.

The steep payment schedule will see TransLink forking over $500,000 per month in the first six months and $1.5 million a month for the next six months. That jumps to $3 million a month the following year and $4 million a month for the three years after that. After five years, TransLink will be paying $4.7 million a month.

The payments are linked to anticipated increases in bridge traffic.

TransLink predicts that for the next few years, 30,000 to 50,000 vehicles will cross the bridge daily, bringing in revenues of $30 million to $50 million a year.

By 2035, it hopes 70,000 to 90,000 vehicles will be crossing every day, bringing in an annual $65 million to $90 million.

If these targets aren’t met, the transit authority will still be on the hook for repaying Golden Crossing at the pre-set rates.

“If we exceed the forecast, we keep the money,” said TransLink spokesman Ken Hardie. “If we don’t make it, we will subsidize it with our general revenue.”

TransLink’s revenues come from transit fares, fuel taxes, property taxes, and parking sales tax. According to Hardie, the transportation authority would be in a position to make those payments if necessary, and had always planned to subsidize the bridge for the first few years.

TransLink could also create incentives for drivers crossing the bridge to close a revenue gap.

“If traffic doesn’t occur, we’ll have to make adjustments to the tolls to make the bridge more attractive to people,” Cummings said. Adjustments could include off-peak pricing and variable rates.

While it’s still early, some TransLink officials were hopeful the high initial numbers bode well.

“If we are doing better than we forecast, then that’s great,” Hardie said. “If a lower subsidy is needed and if there’s a profit then that’s great and it goes back into the system and pays for something else.”

Meanwhile, the number of crossings at the Albion Ferry, which is set to close July 31, dropped by 46 per cent last week.

rtebrake@vancouversun.com

© Copyright © The Vancouver Sun

Well that was a brilliant plan, put a toll on the bridge only to throw the money away overseas.

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Another idiotic plan by the liberals; Why didn't the money stay in BC? I bet the Canada line will be the same situation; Revenue goes overseas while Translink is left with the expenses. Then we wonder why Translink is in the hole so much every year.

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Beats coming up with a billion dollars to build the bridge in the first place.

I don't believe the Private company came up with the entire $800 million to fund the entire project. And the $60 million dollar a year price tag paid to the company could add up to over $2.5 billion over the lifespan of the bridge. Not bad for contribiting less then $400 million.

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I don't believe the Private company came up with the entire $800 million to fund the entire project. And the $60 million dollar a year price tag paid to the company could add up to over $2.5 billion over the lifespan of the bridge. Not bad for contribiting less then $400 million.

Ya, but then there's inflation and the fact that putting $400 million in other investments can pay off even better.

But don't worry, the even huger gateway project, which was going to be financed the same way, couldn't find someone to take a similar type deal, so now the "financier" for that one is going to be the province.

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Ya, but then there's inflation and the fact that putting $400 million in other investments can pay off even better.

But don't worry, the even huger gateway project, which was going to be financed the same way, couldn't find someone to take a similar type deal, so now the "financier" for that one is going to be the province.

doubling down on retarded.

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