inane Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 Summer as in overall ideal cycling conditions. We had a few days of rain the week before they converted the bridge to bike lanes. My whole point was to compare summer vs. winter cycling numbers. Come winter, with cold, rain, fog, and snow few would want to ride their bike. Well sure, naturally there will be fewer cyclists. There are fewer cars on the road during the summer so are you suggesting we close more lanes to car traffic and convert them to bike lanes in the summer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bob Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 I'm sorry I can't provide you with a greater sample seeing as that would be impossible. I realize that, but what do you expect? It was a 1 week time frame. And despite going up in the second week, both weeks will be higher than non summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitronuts Posted August 4, 2009 Author Share Posted August 4, 2009 nitro's boi? Mr. Dreamy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bob Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 Well sure, naturally there will be fewer cyclists. There are fewer cars on the road during the summer so are you suggesting we close more lanes to car traffic and convert them to bike lanes in the summer? Are you fracking with us, or do you really not get it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitronuts Posted August 4, 2009 Author Share Posted August 4, 2009 (edited) Well sure, naturally there will be fewer cyclists. There are fewer cars on the road during the summer so are you suggesting we close more lanes to car traffic and convert them to bike lanes in the summer? The whole trial cost us $1.5-million....surely, money could be spent more efficiently rather than wasting money to add temporary bike lanes for just a few weeks every summer. There's no comparison with roads. Roads are the lifeblood of any city in the world. The point is: cycling in Vancouver is a seasonal thing. In winter, cyclists are almost non-existent. Cars and buses will always be around, all seasons. Edited August 4, 2009 by nitronuts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 The whole trial cost us $1.5-million....surely, money could be spent more efficiently every summer than simply adding temporary bike lanes. There's no comparison with roads. Roads are the lifeblood of any city in the world. I suggest you check out the link I provided in the urban planning thread And I suggest you not use the 'money being spent efficiently' angle when arguing for automobiles... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitronuts Posted August 4, 2009 Author Share Posted August 4, 2009 I suggest you check out the link I provided in the urban planning thread And I suggest you not use the 'money being spent efficiently' angle when arguing for automobiles... Terrible examples of car-free "cities" when we're a region of 2.3-million. Sark Island, United Kingdom | Pop: 560 Mackinac Island, Mich., United States | Pop: 600 The Medina of Fes-al-Bali, Morocco | Pop: 156,000 Hydra, Saronic Islands, Greece | Pop: 3,000 La Cumbrecita, Argentina | Pop: 345 Lamu Island, Kenya | Pop: 2,000-plus Venice, Italy | Pop: 70,000 Buses use the same roads that cars do. Ideally, I'd have two lanes of the Burrard Street Bridge turned into HOV lanes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Common sense Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 Terrible examples of car-free "cities" when we're a region of 2.3-million. Sark Island, United Kingdom | Pop: 560 Mackinac Island, Mich., United States | Pop: 600 The Medina of Fes-al-Bali, Morocco | Pop: 156,000 Hydra, Saronic Islands, Greece | Pop: 3,000 La Cumbrecita, Argentina | Pop: 345 Lamu Island, Kenya | Pop: 2,000-plus Venice, Italy | Pop: 70,000 Buses use the same roads that cars do. Ideally, I'd have two lanes of the Burrard Street Bridge turned into HOV lanes. You know, if we start digging up Richmond, I bet we can make that a car-free zone too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 Terrible examples of car-free "cities" when we're a region of 2.3-million. Sark Island, United Kingdom | Pop: 560 Mackinac Island, Mich., United States | Pop: 600 The Medina of Fes-al-Bali, Morocco | Pop: 156,000 Hydra, Saronic Islands, Greece | Pop: 3,000 La Cumbrecita, Argentina | Pop: 345 Lamu Island, Kenya | Pop: 2,000-plus Venice, Italy | Pop: 70,000 Buses use the same roads that cars do. Ideally, I'd have two lanes of the Burrard Street Bridge turned into HOV lanes. I was mostly joking hence the winky face. I know they are able to do that due to size... The point is it hasn't been the chaos everyone predicted. We'll see what it's like in September, but it seems to me whenever everyone predicts chaos (Burrard, critical mass), nothing happens. Perhaps the improved busses and Canada line will take some pressure off the other bridges which in turn spreads the potential extra pressure on Burrard off to them and everyone lives happily ever after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitronuts Posted August 4, 2009 Author Share Posted August 4, 2009 ^ lol a wink usually infers to being smug or self-righteous. You didn't put a wink, rather a smiley. There was a lot of media attention with the Burrard Street Bridge closure. It simply scared everyone away. Same goes for the ridiculous Critical Mass protest, people simply avoided downtown altogether. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckyHermit Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 will you be back during the winter holidays? No, I'll be gone until next summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckyHermit Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 You know, if we start digging up Richmond, I bet we can make that a car-free zone too We don't need to dig up Richmond. http://i.treehugger.com/files/th_images/beijing-bicycle1.jpg Chinese transportation FTW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Common sense Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 We don't need to dig up Richmond. http://i.treehugger.com/files/th_images/beijing-bicycle1.jpg Chinese transportation FTW. I was thinking about turning Richmond into the next Venice, but Asian female driver/mariner might overturn her boat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladii.canucklehead Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 August 17th, eh? Nice, so that random Canada Line employee at McDicks was telling the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitronuts Posted August 5, 2009 Author Share Posted August 5, 2009 Some info on opening day from Jhen at Buzzer Blog: 1pm - 9pm is the free ride period for the public. Before 1pm, Canada Line is *not* in official service, although trains will be rolling around — various dignitaries will be riding it to the opening ceremony, which, to my knowledge, is not actually a public event. So the public can’t get on the Canada Line until 1pm, basically! But after that you have a 8h window to ride for free. Service closes down at 9pm, and then opens the next morning at regular Canada Line hours, for revenue service. And of course, bus route changes and cancellations start on September 7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitronuts Posted August 5, 2009 Author Share Posted August 5, 2009 (edited) Seattle's LINK light rail system opened in mid-July, ridership has been somewhat of a disaster considering this is a $3-billion, 22.5-km line: Ouch. Seattle light rail averages about 12,000 daily boardings during first week (Sound Transit Link getting an average of 12,000 riders a day.) Posted by Scott Gutierrez at July 30, 2009 12:33 p.m. The Seattle Post Intelligencer AJM STUDIOS.NET Northwest Development News Center SEATTLE - - Sound Transit's Central Link Light rail averaged an estimated 12,000 riders boardings each weekday during it's first week of service, Sound Transit reported Thursday. Another 16,900 boardings were recorded on the light rail last Saturday. About 15,100 were counted on the light rail Sunday, the agency reported. The 14-mile line between Westlake Center and Tukwila opened on July 18. Sound Transit predicts that light rail will average about 21,000 riders on weekdays by the end of 2009. Daily ridership is expected to jump above 26,000 after a 1.3-mile segment between Tukwila and Sea-Tac International Airport opens in December. An average of 1,300 riders each day took connector buses between the Tukwila light rail station and Sea-Tac during the first week of service. "We're encouraged by the large numbers of people who boarded light rail on opening weekend and have started using it every day," said Seattle Mayor Greg Nickels, who serves as chairman of Sound Transit's board. A 14-mile (22.5-km) line only gets 12,000 weekday boardings. That's just embarrassing. Even the future ridership projections are quite low for all the money spent to build it, to operate it, and for a line that is 22.5-kms long. That's lower than the ridership of most Vancouver bus routes. :D Statistics from 2007 Statistics from 2007 # Route Boardings == ===== ========= 1 99 44,000 2 20 30,500 3 9 28,500 4 98 27,500 5 41 27,000 6 3 22,000 7 22 21,500 8 8 21,500 9 17 20,500 10 16 19,000 11 25 18,500 12 135 16,500 13 106 15,500 14 49 15,200 15 10 13,800 16 19 13,800 17 7 12,300 18 410 11,000 19 5 10,500 20 130 10,400 21 97 10,200 22 145 10,200 23 15 9,800 Statistics from 2002 Edited August 5, 2009 by nitronuts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YVR Canucks Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 Yay August 17th I can't wait, its gonna be AWESOME. After all these years of construction. After all these businesses going down on Cambie. I can't wait to take the empty 98 B-Line to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitronuts Posted August 5, 2009 Author Share Posted August 5, 2009 Yay August 17th I can't wait, its gonna be AWESOME. After all these years of construction. After all these businesses going down on Cambie. I can't wait to take the empty 98 B-Line to work. ...for 22 days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buggernut Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 (edited) Seattle's LINK light rail system opened in mid-July, ridership has been somewhat of a disaster considering this is a $3-billion, 22.5-km line: Ouch. Seattle light rail averages about 12,000 daily boardings during first week (Sound Transit Link getting an average of 12,000 riders a day.) Posted by Scott Gutierrez at July 30, 2009 12:33 p.m. The Seattle Post Intelligencer AJM STUDIOS.NET Northwest Development News Center SEATTLE - - Sound Transit's Central Link Light rail averaged an estimated 12,000 riders boardings each weekday during it's first week of service, Sound Transit reported Thursday. Another 16,900 boardings were recorded on the light rail last Saturday. About 15,100 were counted on the light rail Sunday, the agency reported. The 14-mile line between Westlake Center and Tukwila opened on July 18. Sound Transit predicts that light rail will average about 21,000 riders on weekdays by the end of 2009. Daily ridership is expected to jump above 26,000 after a 1.3-mile segment between Tukwila and Sea-Tac International Airport opens in December. An average of 1,300 riders each day took connector buses between the Tukwila light rail station and Sea-Tac during the first week of service. "We're encouraged by the large numbers of people who boarded light rail on opening weekend and have started using it every day," said Seattle Mayor Greg Nickels, who serves as chairman of Sound Transit's board. A 14-mile (22.5-km) line only gets 12,000 weekday boardings. That's just embarrassing. Even the future ridership projections are quite low for all the money spent to build it, to operate it, and for a line that is 22.5-kms long. That's lower than the ridership of most Vancouver bus routes. :D A rather odd choice of route has been chosen for it. It runs to mainly areas of low density, and grazes past the biggest shopping mall in the region without actually stopping at it. They just had to rush into the rail transit to the airport league of cities, without considering more practical routes to serve the needs of the local populace. Edited August 5, 2009 by Buggernut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitronuts Posted August 5, 2009 Author Share Posted August 5, 2009 ^ so, it would've been equivalent to building the Canada Line along Arbutus or building the Canada Line down Cambie as a street level LRT line that crosses traffic intersections and there's no station at Oakridge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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