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Yeah it boils down to semantics when I have to spend 5 posts helping you get past this odd obsession over an elementary MSPaint image with captions, because you have this utterly ridiculous and unsubstantiated belief it somehow illustrates second amendment supporter / gun owner "fear of everything". People who own guns don't wander around afraid of government all or even most of the time, nor do they barricade themselves in the house waiting for big bad government or liberals to enter so they can blast them. Try to not be as nutty as the fringe of gun nuts.

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Statistically, at least 5% of American gun owners qualify under your above "bolded" description, DO act the way you describe which means 1 in 20 of your neighbors either are capable of "winging out", or has a family member, with access to your "armory", who at any moment for no apparent reason, take your weapons and head to the next "Newton" ..

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oh so NOW you are a stickler for accuracy? Can you please provide some kind of credible link to this number? I'm not saying that there isn't some (assuming that we are counting ALL gun owners and not just those that are legally carrying,) but if I was to guess... I'd say the number is probably closer to 1%.

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Yeah it boils down to semantics when I have to spend 5 posts helping you get past this odd obsession over an elementary MSPaint image with captions, because you have this utterly ridiculous and unsubstantiated belief it somehow illustrates second amendment supporter / gun owner "fear of everything". People who own guns don't wander around afraid of government all or even most of the time, nor do they barricade themselves in the house waiting for big bad government or liberals to enter so they can blast them. Try to not be as nutty as the fringe of gun nuts.

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So I'm actually totally against guns for simple personal/moral reasons, but found an interesting article from the harvard law school journal (yes yes, i know a white paper, what could be more boring?). Well, it's interesting, especially if you are more left leaning on these issues. It actually presents an interesting view on the debate.

http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf

Interesting findings include:

Nations with stringent anti-gun laws generally have substantially higher murder rates than those that do not. The study found that the nine European nations with the lowest rates of gun ownership (5,000 or fewer guns per 100,000 population) have a combined murder rate three times higher than that of the nine nations with the highest rates of gun ownership (at least 15,000 guns per 100,000 population).

If the mantra "more guns equal more death and fewer guns equal less death" were true, broad cross-national comparisons should show that nations with higher gun ownership per capita consistently have more death. Nations with higher gun ownership rates, however, do not have higher murder or suicide rates than those with lower gun ownership. Indeed many high gun ownership nations have much lower murder rates. (p. 661)

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So I'm actually totally against guns for simple personal/moral reasons, but found an interesting article from the harvard law school journal (yes yes, i know a white paper, what could be more boring?). Well, it's interesting, especially if you are more left leaning on these issues. It actually presents an interesting view on the debate.

http://www.law.harva...auseronline.pdf

Interesting findings include:

Nations with stringent anti-gun laws generally have substantially higher murder rates than those that do not. The study found that the nine European nations with the lowest rates of gun ownership (5,000 or fewer guns per 100,000 population) have a combined murder rate three times higher than that of the nine nations with the highest rates of gun ownership (at least 15,000 guns per 100,000 population).

If the mantra "more guns equal more death and fewer guns equal less death" were true, broad cross-national comparisons should show that nations with higher gun ownership per capita consistently have more death. Nations with higher gun ownership rates, however, do not have higher murder or suicide rates than those with lower gun ownership. Indeed many high gun ownership nations have much lower murder rates. (p. 661)

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Where are all the stupid people from?

And how'd they get to be so dumb?

Bred on purple mountain range

Feed amber waves of grains

To lesser human beings, zero feelings

Blame it onHuman nature, mans destiny (mans destiny)

Blame it on the greediocracy (greediocracy)

Fear of godThe fear of changeThe fear of truth

Add the bill of rights, subtract the wrongs

There's no answersMemorize and sing star spangled songs

When the questionsAren't ever askedIs anybody learning from the past?

We're living in united stagnation

Father what have I done?

I took that 22A gift to me from you

To bed with me each night

Kept it clean

Polished it well

Cherished every cartridge, every shell

Down, by the creek, under brush, under dirt

There's a carcass of my second kill

Down, by the park, under stone, under pine

There's a carcass of my brother william

Brother where, have you gone to?

I swear, I never thought I could

I see so many times

They told me to shoot straight

Don't pull the trigger, squeeze

That will insure a kill

A kill is what you want

A kill is why we breed

The christians love their guns

The church and nra

Pray for their salvations

Prey on the lower faiths

The story book's been read

And every line believed

Curriculum's been set

Logic is a threat

Reason searched and seized

Don't think (stay)Drink your wine (home)

Watch the fire burn (be)His problems not mine (safe)

Just be that model citizen

I wish I had a schilling(for each senseless killing)

For every senseless killing

I'd buy a government

America's for sale

And you can get a good deal on it(a good deal on it)

And make a healthy profit

Or maybe, tear it apart

Start with assumption

That a million people are smart

Smarter than one

Serotonin's gone

She gave up, drifted away

Sara fled, thought process gone

She left her answering machine on

The greeting left spoken sincere

Messages no one will ever hear

Ten thousand messages a day

A million more transmissions lay

Victims of the laissez faire

Ten thousand voices, a hundred guns

A hundred decibels turns to one

One bullet, one empty head

Now with serotonin gone

The man who used to speak

Performs a cute routine

Feel a little patronized

Don't feel bad

They found a way inside your head

And you feel a bit misledIt's not that they don't care, yeah

The television's put a thought inside your head

Llike a barry manilow, jingle

I'd like, to teach the world to sing

In perfect harmony

A symphonic blank stare, yeah

It doesn't make you care (make you care)

Not designed to make you care (make you care)

They're betting you won't care (you won't...)

Place a wager on your greed

A wager on your pride

Why try to beat them when, a million others tried?

We are the whore

Intellectually spayed

We are the queer

Dysfunctionally raised

One more pill to kill the pain

One more pill to kill the pain

One more pill to kill the pain

Living through conformity

One more prayer to keep me safe

One more prayer to keep us warm

One more prayer to keep us safe

There's gonna be a better place

Lost the battle, lost the war

Lost the things worth living for

Lost the will to win the fight

One more pill to kill the pain

Na na na na naLa na na na naNa na na na naNa na na na na

The going get tough, the tough get debt

Don't pay attention, pay the rent

Next of kins pay for your sins

A little faith should keep us safe

Save us

The human, existence

Is failing, resistance

Essential, the future

Written off, the odds are

Astronomically against us

Only moron and genius

Would fight a losing battle

Against the super ego

When giving in is so damn comforting

And so we go, on with our lives

We know the truth, but prefer lies

Lies are simple, simple is bliss

Why go against tradition when we can

Admit defeat, live in decline

Be the victim of our own design

The status quo, built on suspect

Why would anyone stick out their neck?

Fellow membersClub "we've got ours"

I'd like to introduce you to our host

He's got his, and I've got mine

Meet the decline

Mike Burkett

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Where are all the stupid people from?

And how'd they get to be so dumb?

Bred on purple mountain range

Feed amber waves of grains

To lesser human beings, zero feelings

Blame it onHuman nature, mans destiny (mans destiny)

Blame it on the greediocracy (greediocracy)

Fear of godThe fear of changeThe fear of truth

Add the bill of rights, subtract the wrongs

There's no answersMemorize and sing star spangled songs

When the questionsAren't ever askedIs anybody learning from the past?

We're living in united stagnation

Father what have I done?

I took that 22A gift to me from you

To bed with me each night

Kept it clean

Polished it well

Cherished every cartridge, every shell

Down, by the creek, under brush, under dirt

There's a carcass of my second kill

Down, by the park, under stone, under pine

There's a carcass of my brother william

Brother where, have you gone to?

I swear, I never thought I could

I see so many times

They told me to shoot straight

Don't pull the trigger, squeeze

That will insure a kill

A kill is what you want

A kill is why we breed

The christians love their guns

The church and nra

Pray for their salvations

Prey on the lower faiths

The story book's been read

And every line believed

Curriculum's been set

Logic is a threat

Reason searched and seized

Don't think (stay)Drink your wine (home)

Watch the fire burn (be)His problems not mine (safe)

Just be that model citizen

I wish I had a schilling(for each senseless killing)

For every senseless killing

I'd buy a government

America's for sale

And you can get a good deal on it(a good deal on it)

And make a healthy profit

Or maybe, tear it apart

Start with assumption

That a million people are smart

Smarter than one

Serotonin's gone

She gave up, drifted away

Sara fled, thought process gone

She left her answering machine on

The greeting left spoken sincere

Messages no one will ever hear

Ten thousand messages a day

A million more transmissions lay

Victims of the laissez faire

Ten thousand voices, a hundred guns

A hundred decibels turns to one

One bullet, one empty head

Now with serotonin gone

The man who used to speak

Performs a cute routine

Feel a little patronized

Don't feel bad

They found a way inside your head

And you feel a bit misledIt's not that they don't care, yeah

The television's put a thought inside your head

Llike a barry manilow, jingle

I'd like, to teach the world to sing

In perfect harmony

A symphonic blank stare, yeah

It doesn't make you care (make you care)

Not designed to make you care (make you care)

They're betting you won't care (you won't...)

Place a wager on your greed

A wager on your pride

Why try to beat them when, a million others tried?

We are the whore

Intellectually spayed

We are the queer

Dysfunctionally raised

One more pill to kill the pain

One more pill to kill the pain

One more pill to kill the pain

Living through conformity

One more prayer to keep me safe

One more prayer to keep us warm

One more prayer to keep us safe

There's gonna be a better place

Lost the battle, lost the war

Lost the things worth living for

Lost the will to win the fight

One more pill to kill the pain

Na na na na naLa na na na naNa na na na naNa na na na na

The going get tough, the tough get debt

Don't pay attention, pay the rent

Next of kins pay for your sins

A little faith should keep us safe

Save us

The human, existence

Is failing, resistance

Essential, the future

Written off, the odds are

Astronomically against us

Only moron and genius

Would fight a losing battle

Against the super ego

When giving in is so damn comforting

And so we go, on with our lives

We know the truth, but prefer lies

Lies are simple, simple is bliss

Why go against tradition when we can

Admit defeat, live in decline

Be the victim of our own design

The status quo, built on suspect

Why would anyone stick out their neck?

Fellow membersClub "we've got ours"

I'd like to introduce you to our host

He's got his, and I've got mine

Meet the decline

Mike Burkett

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<p> Still can't answer any of my questions I see. Now where in Ontario do you live? Also, your claim that the Brady campaign has "significant clout" is absurd. Why did Obama sign the bill to allow guns in National Parks and on Amtrak trains, hmm?? I also hope you don't think people are being fooled by those phony extra screen names you use, like "the pedestrian", to try and prop up that NRA propaganda you're spewing, do you?

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