Bill Sikes Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Some of you ftards think you know it all. The owners aka his bosses (you know, the ones that pay him), clearly think he's been worth his salary. They've kept him around for this long. If they thought he was that bad he wouldn't still be around collecting a check. It's not his job to appease us the fans, its his job to appease them. After 3 lockouts he's still kicking around. Get over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poetica Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Your description can say whatever it wants. The NHL BoG is interested in their bottom line and preserving the viability of their investments. If they felt that Mr. Bettman was not performing, they would not pay him the salary he is garnering now. You can use some dusty handbook as an argument, but there's a reason why Gary Bettman is the only commissioner this league has ever had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viking mama Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Gotta call this the worst bang...for the buck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THERETOOL Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Do you even know how to make business? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viking mama Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Jeremy Jacobs, on the other hand...could say this whole Bettman deal has given him his best bangs - ever! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
literaphile Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 If, as the OP's article says the MLB commissioner is making around $20M (which isn't even confirmed since they are not a not-for-profit organization who has to release that information), he is doing so while overseeing an organization that has gone from $1.4B in 1995 to $7.5B in 2012. In fact, revenue grew by half a billion from 2011. And a new TV deal starting in 2014 is going to raise that by another $788M. Now THAT is growing revenue. [source] The NFL commissioner's total pay is misleading. In 2011 he actually only got a base salary around $7.19M. The rest ($22.3M) was in form of performance bonuses. [source] To get the big bucks he had to meet certain predetermined goals. Without doing a good job, he gets paid less than Bettman. In fact, in 2010 the NFL commissioner made only $11.6M while league revenues were around $9B. Their revenue grew to $9.5B the very next year. As far as we know, Bettman doesn't have to do a good job to get paid $8.3M for running a league with just over 1/3 that amount of revenue. That's far from "modest." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viking mama Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Expansion has also been for the purposes of stacking the boardroom in Jeremy Jacobs favor...as his voting-block was being threatened by more progressives. That's why movers, shakers, & thinkers, like Balsillie are all summarily excluded. Only the vetted & re-cruited "yesmen" need apply. Or absentee billionaires with money to launder. These owners are united in their greed - but divided in their long-range goals & purposes. This exclusive club of NHL owners are clearly not of one-mind in all things. But - Mr. Bettman jumps high for one man...& it's very clear who that king-pin is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freebass Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 you are serious ? You actually think Buttman has anything to do with that ?? give your head a shake .. IF HOCKEY IS THRIVING , ITS BECAUSE HOCKEY IS A GREAT SPORT WITH PREMIER ATHLETES ... not because of that little ahole turd ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viking mama Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Hockey is a great, exciting & fast moving game. The influx of the best European & Russian hockey players to North America.....the sell-off of Gretzky to a celebrity-studded market like the LA Kings,...improved technologies,...the explosion of social media & video games....& the inclusion of NHL Pros in the Olympics - all grew the NHL....not Bettman. Those things all happened despite his presense...not because of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THERETOOL Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 And how do you think people get exposure to this great sport and premier athletes? As much as the guy is a total Dbag, he does have a great business sense for growing a brand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rey Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 I don't care if you like him or not, because it really doesn't matter. I just hope people are rational enough to make a decision and have a proper understanding to whether or not to like him. I find way too many children just following the crowd for everything, and therefore lack any opinion whatsoever, so then think that their opinion matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viking mama Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Is it a co-incidence that Jeremy Jacobs has interests in media entities around North America? Bettman has helped to pave the roadway for Jacobs' team & his many other business interests at the same time. I find it very interesting that HNIC has hired a perennial Bruins-fan like Don Cherry as a fixture for its federally-subsidized program on a Canadian-contented nertwork. Jacobs as the President of the league - no doubt approves all of the NHLs media contracts. Cherry is clearly a propaganda pitch-man for pro-violence & fighting in hockey. Jacobs argues for this also & thru Cherry is able to pitch the status-quo regularly on CBC's HNIC... to the largest hockey market in North America. Jacobs needs to cultivate support to counter pacifist trends in a more progressively-informed era. This way his Bruins traditions survive to serve his Bruins market. A more family-friendly league wouldn't provide him with his niche. Cross-border promotion of the Bruins & their ways...won't be hurtin; Jacobs' ticket or commercial revenue sales either. Anyone notice,... how easily the NHL's violence & drama makes eastern headlines..& sells tabloid papers. So fortunate for Mr. Jacobs that the older & more tradition-loving demographic still purchase those things. Not every owner has such a symbiotic-relationship with this commissioner. There will be NO fairness, until Bettman is ousted & the installation of Bettman 2.0 is prevented. My best wishes to the progressives. I hope they find a stellar candidate for league commissioner & soon...to better protect the players & bring some integrity to this business & (NHL) sport. Boardroom backlashes are being muzzled or squashed - but hopefully....not for too much longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freebass Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Is it a co-incidence that Jeremy Jacobs has interests in media entities around North AmericaÉ Bettman has helped to pave the roadway for Jacobs team & his many, many, other business interests at the same time. I find it very interesting that HNIC has hired a perennial Bruins-fan like Don Cherry as a fixture for its nationally-subsidized programming on a Canadian-contented nertwork. Jacobs as the President of the league - no doubt approves all of the NHLs media contracts. Cherry is clearly a propaganda pitch-man for the pro-violence & fighting in hockey arguments of Jacobs...to the largest hockey market in North America. Jacobs needs this edge in a more pascifist & progressive era - so that his traditions can surive & serve his Bruins market.....setting him appart from the other more family-friendly leagues. Cross-border promotion of the Bruins & their ways...doesnt hurt Jacobs ticket or commercial revenue sales either. Anyone else notice,... that NHL violence & drama makes the headlines...which sells tabloids & papers. So fortunate for Mr. Jacobs that this older & more traditionan-loving demographic still purchase these things - too. Not every owner has such a symbiotic or invested relationship with this commissioner. There is will be NO fairness in these situations, until Bettman is ousted & the installation of Bettman 2.0 is prevented. My best wishes are with the progressives. I hope they find a great candidate for league commissioner to better protect to the players & bring some integrity back to the sport. Watch for the attempted boardroom backlash. It will start with murmurings - or be squashed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poetica Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 The NHL's annual revenues have grown from $400 million to $3.3 billion since Bettman became commissioner (source is this book). That's an 800% increase in revenue. To compare those to the stats you quote, MLB's revenue has increased approximately 550% under the current commissioner's watch. So, how are you arguing that Bettman's not doing as good of a job? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THERETOOL Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Thanks for the link. Interestingly though, according to James Mirtle in 1993/1994 NHL revenue was $732M, not $400M. (And for an accurate comparison with the MLB we really should compare growth over the same amount of time, which would mean calculating from 1995 when the NHL had $936M in revenue.) In the Mirtle article he also talks about how when you factor in inflation several seasons under Bettman actually saw the league revenue go down. And oddly enough, they weren't the years in which the loonie was at the its lowest. Another source says NHL revenue in 1993/94 was $700M and has had an average annual growth rate around 7%. That is impressive, though I still believe that Bettman isn't responsible for much of the actual causes for revenue increase, including the higher Canadian dollar, more merchandising, and better TV deals. He gets some credit for the TV deal in terms of his expansion teams and keeping Phoenix in place, which increased US markets. But he loses that credit when he uses those very teams he uses to make so much more money for the rich teams to plead poverty while also dragging his feet on creating a team revenue sharing program that actually works. Having respectable revenue sharing is important because people seem to be forgetting that the league only makes as much as it does thanks to a few teams. The majority of teams barely break even or lose money. According to Forbes, "The Toronto Maple Leafs, New York Rangers and Montreal Canadiens had an operating profit (in the sense of earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization) of $171 million combined. The other 27 NHL teams lost a collective $44 million. If you add the Vancouver Canucks and Edmonton Oilers to the fat cats ledger, profits hit $212 million with the remaining 25 teams posting a loss of $86 million." And also according to Forbes, 8 teams in the league, or almost 1/3 of the league, lost over $10M last year. That does not seem like a truly successful league to me. (Compare that to the MLB, where only 6 teams lost money last year, only one lost more than $10M, and 11 teams made $20M+ last year.) And, that still didn't address the fact that Bettman's job description does not include anything about increasing revenue anyway. That's done by other people. His job is to "protect the integrity of the game of professional hockey and preserve public confidence in the League." That is the job he's failing in and has no set standards by which to be measured other than the delight of a few elite owners who have little interest in the integrity of the game or public confidence as long as they still keep racking in the cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dittohead Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Must be nice to make that kind of money while doing so many things wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uber_pwnzor Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 you are serious ? You actually think Buttman has anything to do with that ?? give your head a shake .. IF HOCKEY IS THRIVING , ITS BECAUSE HOCKEY IS A GREAT SPORT WITH PREMIER ATHLETES ... not because of that little ahole turd ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viking mama Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 LOL Don Cherry has been doing HNIC since like 1981 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viking mama Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 If he was doing things wrong the Owners wouldn't keep him around. His bosses seem to like him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustapha Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Oh, so they were right when they decided what to pay him, but wrong when they wrote the description of the job he's getting paid to do. Okay. But enlighten me: Why is Bettman is the only commissioner? The league survived without one before. So, what exactly does he personally do that makes the league better? TV and merchandising are someone else's department. Half of their revenue comes directly from fans, so how is one of the most hated men in sports helping in that regard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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