Hugor Hill Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 In our context, it's not gonna be absolute monarchy vs parliamentary democracy. We have parliamentary democracy. the only question is why we are keeping a British figure head to look up to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 In our context, it's not gonna be absolute monarchy vs parliamentary democracy. We have parliamentary democracy. the only question is why we are keeping a British figure head to look up to. Say you have a ship. It's a good ship, but eventually, over time, there's wear and tear, and parts need to be replaced. As time goes on, almost all if not all of the parts become replaced. Would it be the same ship as before? No, it's almost a completely new ship once all the original parts are replaced. If Canada is that ship, do you want something to remind you of the original version, or are you okay with something different than before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddhas Hand Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Say you have a ship. It's a good ship, but eventually, over time, there's wear and tear, and parts need to be replaced. In The Ship of Fools Bosch is imagining that the whole of mankind is voyaging through the seas of time on a ship, a small ship, that is representative of humanity. Sadly, every one of the representatives is a fool. This is how we live, says Bosch--we eat, drink, flirt, cheat, play silly games, pursue unattainable objectives. Meanwhile our ship drifts aimlessly and we never reach the harbour. The fools are not the irreligious, since promiment among them are a monk and a nun, but they are all those who live ``in stupidity''. Bosch laughs, and it is sad laugh. Which one of us does not sail in the wretched discomfort of the ship of human folly? Eccentric and secret genius that he was, Bosch not only moved the heart but scandalized it into full awareness. The sinister and monstrous things that he brought forth are the hidden creatures of our inward self-love: he externalizes the ugliness within, and so his misshapen demons have an effect beyond curiosity. We feel a hateful kinship with them. The Ship of Fools is not about other people, it is about us. Nicolas Pioch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dral Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Lmao Crawl out from under your imperialistic rock bud and smell the roses. Maybe you need more than glasses ? Canadians are stupid and selfish... we've tried before and failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugor Hill Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Say you have a ship. It's a good ship, but eventually, over time, there's wear and tear, and parts need to be replaced. As time goes on, almost all if not all of the parts become replaced. Would it be the same ship as before? No, it's almost a completely new ship once all the original parts are replaced. If Canada is that ship, do you want something to remind you of the original version, or are you okay with something different than before? Right now we have various pieces of the original ship, such as, for instance, the Queen on our $20's, Victoria Day, etc. As successions of newer owners of the ship take possession of it, they will have less and less attachment to these original pieces. Especially since the original pieces represent things that they no longer believe in. Some of these characteristics even contradict what the purposes of the ship are today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter_74 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 By the way, since we don't have a lot of "unique" culture (debatable), how does having the monarchy aid the matter? The monarchy is definitely not unique, and in fact there are a few countries that share the same monarch as their head of state as Canada. Britain had one of the largest and most powerful empires in human history. That being said, there is a rich history of British involvement in North America, and without them, us from European decent would most likely not be here today. In North America: British Loyalists who fought for Britain and the Monarch, became Canada American Patriots who rebelled against the Monarch became the USA Cutting ties with the Monarch is disrespectful to the Loyalists that fought to keep our Heritage, and developed the great country we call Canada. Sure, I agree Monarchy is old and inefficient, but it is a reminder to what we fought for. I respect the Monarchy because THEY are responsible for Canada. There are so many things wrong with the Canadian Gov't, why do you hate the Monarch so much? They have literally no impact on day-to-day life. The Senate is the problem we should be dealing with instead. Or maybe not allowing Mayors of major cities to smoke crack? There are MUCH worse problems than monarchy. If you hate monarchy sooo much, move to the States. They got rid of their monarchs some 200 years ago, and I hear they've never been better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Korea Bob.Loblaw Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Britain had one of the largest and most powerful empires in human history. That being said, there is a rich history of British involvement in North America, and without them, us from European decent would most likely not be here today. In North America: British Loyalists who fought for Britain and the Monarch, became Canada American Patriots who rebelled against the Monarch became the USA Cutting ties with the Monarch is disrespectful to the Loyalists that fought to keep our Heritage, and developed the great country we call Canada. Sure, I agree Monarchy is old and inefficient, but it is a reminder to what we fought for. I respect the Monarchy because THEY are responsible for Canada. There are so many things wrong with the Canadian Gov't, why do you hate the Monarch so much? They have literally no impact on day-to-day life. The Senate is the problem we should be dealing with instead. Or maybe not allowing Mayors of major cities to smoke crack? There are MUCH worse problems than monarchy. If you hate monarchy sooo much, move to the States. They got rid of their monarchs some 200 years ago, and I hear they've never been better. No... as you'd just said, the pioneers and those who lived in Canada are responsible for Canada. And so it might be better framed as a question of whether their legacy is better cemented through a republic or the status quo. But you are right about one thing. There are broken institutions in Canada that need to be fixed, and getting rid of the monarchy should not be the primary concern of the average citizen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baer. Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 The only people I ever see care about the royal family are 60+. They're old news. Give it 20 years and eventually nobody will really be interested in the monarchy. Plus probably over half of the Canadian population aren't direct British descendants... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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