NMHockey Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 Staff -Relieve Travis Green as Head Coach -Hire Brad Shaw as Interim Head Coach -Hire Guy Boucher as Assistant Coach Roster(‘s) -Trades Canucks acquire: D Jeremy Lauzon Kraken acquire/s: D Travis Hamonic D Guillaume Brisebois (Conditional) 2nd Round Draft Pick 2024 Canucks acquire: F Colton Sissons Predators acquire: F Tyler Motte 6th Round Draft Pick 2024 -Waive Hunt. Recall Bailey. Then let the team have one very tough practice. Corner battles in one end, lots of stick work and lane position practice. If fights between teammates happen than so be it. Let them work it out. It worked for St.Louis in 2019.. Hold another players only meeting afterwards before a talk with the new coaches. Everyone forgets about Guy Boucher when talking about coaching changes. He was a big reason Ottawa was within a goal of the Final only four years ago. He’s a good honest family man with respect but he is very fiery and dedicated. He can help Shaw right this team that has what it takes as Benning has built them. He lays out a Green style of energy game but is a little more offensively focused. Lauzon fixes the Canucks LHD depth issue and has skating to get up and down the ice while also being hardnosed and committed to his end mainly. Seattle is struggling too and could use some tinkering. Another veteran all-around RHD (which they lack) is attractive plus a high pick will get them to bite on swapping Lauzon. Nashville has many quality veterans and young players to re-sign on top of Forsberg. This move sheds a little over $1.5 Mil and of a five year contract while only sacrificing a tad of offense. But Sissons and Motte are eerily similar with the only real difference being the way they shoot. Sissons helps the PK, locker room, speed, and is kind of a younger version of Sutter who we’re missing badly in the bottom nine. Depth-Chart(‘s) Miller -Pettersson- Garland Hoglander -Horvat- Boeser Pearson -Sissons- Podkolzin Lammikko -Dickinson- Bailey Dowling Chiasson Ekman-Larsson - Schenn Hughes - Myers Lauzon - Poolman Burroughs Demko Halak LTIR Keeper Highmore Sutter Ferland Abbotsford Di Giuseppe -Petan- Klimovich Dries -Focht- Rempal Keppen -Stevens- Lockwood Plasek -Wouters- Lukosevicius Arseneau Nielsen Rathbone - Woo Sautner - Juulsen Hunt - Bowey Schilling - Stephens Brubacher - Kannok-Leipert DiPietro Silovs Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_314 Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 Isn't that trade a bit excessive from our end? Hamonic, a depth D-man AND a second for Lauzon? Benning, is that you? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patel Bure Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 I like your Sissons idea but does Nashville bite? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Patel Bure said: I like your Sissons idea but does Nashville bite? Why would they? Seems rather underwhelming for them. Motte is an upcoming UFA and injury prone. Sissons is on a reasonable deal for another 5 years. He also plays C. Their team looks to have finally found some unity and are playing like Hynes wants them to play. Edited November 23, 2021 by mll 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMHockey Posted November 23, 2021 Author Share Posted November 23, 2021 13 hours ago, Phil_314 said: Isn't that trade a bit excessive from our end? Hamonic, a depth D-man AND a second for Lauzon? Benning, is that you? Lauzon is a 24 year old D-man standing 6’2, 210 Lbs that can wheel and is always consistent with using his size. Also already has playoff experience under his belt and can play LHD or RHD easily. Sorry did you think a D-man like that will cost Brisebois and a 5th rounder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMHockey Posted November 23, 2021 Author Share Posted November 23, 2021 (edited) 10 hours ago, Patel Bure said: I like your Sissons idea but does Nashville bite? I think they will because they have so many players to re-sign besides Forsberg due for a massive payday. Go look at their CapFriendly. At worst I think we have to make that 6th in 2024 a Conditional 2nd or 3rd. Edited November 23, 2021 by ZH96 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMHockey Posted November 23, 2021 Author Share Posted November 23, 2021 10 hours ago, mll said: Why would they? Seems rather underwhelming for them. Motte is an upcoming UFA and injury prone. Sissons is on a reasonable deal for another 5 years. He also plays C. Their team looks to have finally found some unity and are playing like Hynes wants them to play. They’re heading for mediocrity and are humming and hawing around a full rebuild. They also have all these players to re-sign this summer.. F Filip Forsberg (UFA) D David Farrance (RFA) D Mark Borowiecki (UFA) D Matt Benning (UFA) F Cody Glass (RFA) F Luke Kunin (RFA) F Yakov Trenin (RFA) G David Rittich (UFA) D Ben Harpur (UFA) F Nick Cousins (UFA) F Thomas Novak (RFA) Also (RFAs) the summer after and definitely due for raises are.. D Dante Fabbro D Philippe Myers D Alexandre Carrier F Tanner Jeannot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_314 Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, ZH96 said: Lauzon is a 24 year old D-man standing 6’2, 210 Lbs that can wheel and is always consistent with using his size. Also already has playoff experience under his belt and can play LHD or RHD easily. Sorry did you think a D-man like that will cost Brisebois and a 5th rounder? So Hamonic (whom you included) is chopped liver now? He plays around 20 minutes a night as an RHD which is more of an asset around the league than LHD's. Also, if the rumors are true, he should be in progress for getting vaxxed (reports say he will be "soon") so that shouldn't be an issue when it comes to being able to play in the States. Edited November 24, 2021 by Phil_314 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMHockey Posted November 24, 2021 Author Share Posted November 24, 2021 51 minutes ago, Phil_314 said: So Hamonic (whom you included) is chopped liver now? He plays around 20 minutes a night as an RHD which is more of an asset around the league than LHD's. Also, if the rumors are true, he should be in progress for getting vaxxed (reports say he will be "soon") so that shouldn't be an issue when it comes to being able to play in the States. Hamonic costs 2x more than Lauzon while being slower, less effective at reading lanes and situations, and more injury prone. And he is not fully vaccinated yet so he’s nothing but an aging cap cost that can play half the games… Lauzon >>> Hamonic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_314 Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 On 11/23/2021 at 8:23 PM, ZH96 said: Hamonic costs 2x more than Lauzon while being slower, less effective at reading lanes and situations, and more injury prone. And he is not fully vaccinated yet so he’s nothing but an aging cap cost that can play half the games… Lauzon >>> Hamonic That bold parts are all opinion and entirely subjective. If Hamonic was less effective would he be getting paid more and playing more minutes? It's also true that he's not yet fully vaxxed but 31 year olds get traded for all the time, plus at only 31 he's hardly "aging cap" as you're trying to label him (I guess you're ready for 31 year old Eberle to fall off a cliff skill-wise and retire tomorrow then). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMHockey Posted November 27, 2021 Author Share Posted November 27, 2021 (edited) On 11/25/2021 at 4:59 PM, Phil_314 said: That bold parts are all opinion and entirely subjective. If Hamonic was less effective would he be getting paid more and playing more minutes? It's also true that he's not yet fully vaxxed but 31 year olds get traded for all the time, plus at only 31 he's hardly "aging cap" as you're trying to label him (I guess you're ready for 31 year old Eberle to fall off a cliff skill-wise and retire tomorrow then). Some 31 year olds stay effective. Some start to decline. Due to different skillsets, injuries, and many reasons. Hamonic is the latter. Injuries have slowed him down and he’s nowhere near the D-man he was five years ago. Even four. Eberle is a forward and a whole different level of talent with some of the best hands in the league. It’s not opinion. Hamonic is paid more because Benning overpays to keep veteran players and Lauzon was recently coming off his ELC and is seven years younger. Look at Hamonic with us so far this season and than look at Lauzon in Seattle logging over 21 minutes often, making consistent big hits, being very steady in his own zone, and making solid plays all over the ice. Meanwhile Hamonic is in Abbotsford not even fully vaccinated, not even playing with his teammates in Columbus right now, and playing nowhere near as steady or smart as Lauzon. Case closed. Edited November 27, 2021 by ZH96 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_314 Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 13 hours ago, ZH96 said: Some 31 year olds stay effective. Some start to decline. Due to different skillsets, injuries, and many reasons. Hamonic is the latter. Injuries have slowed him down and he’s nowhere near the D-man he was five years ago. Even four. Eberle is a forward and a whole different level of talent with some of the best hands in the league. It’s not opinion. Hamonic is paid more because Benning overpays to keep veteran players and Lauzon was recently coming off his ELC and is seven years younger. Look at Hamonic with us so far this season and than look at Lauzon in Seattle logging over 21 minutes often, making consistent big hits, being very steady in his own zone, and making solid plays all over the ice. Meanwhile Hamonic is in Abbotsford not even fully vaccinated, not even playing with his teammates in Columbus right now, and playing nowhere near as steady or smart as Lauzon. Case closed. He's reached 21 minutes twice and never gone over. Also you know that the reason Hamonic is in Abbotsford is precisely due to vaccination status and so tacking on "nowhere near as steady or smart as Lauzon. Case closed" is false and shouldn't be used against Hamonic. In 7 games he's already reached 21 minutes once (both have reached 20+ minutes 3x). If they both have the same number of high-minutes played games when Hamonic has played less due to vaccine status, again I ask is Lauzon really that much better? At this point, JL has 3 points in 19 games, is -5 and avg. 17:38; TH has 1 point in 7 games, is -1 and av. 19:28. With that, JL doesn't pull away in terms of minutes played or scoring, so he's not the 21+ minute horse that you're trying to falsely make him out to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMHockey Posted November 28, 2021 Author Share Posted November 28, 2021 13 hours ago, Phil_314 said: He's reached 21 minutes twice and never gone over. Also you know that the reason Hamonic is in Abbotsford is precisely due to vaccination status and so tacking on "nowhere near as steady or smart as Lauzon. Case closed" is false and shouldn't be used against Hamonic. In 7 games he's already reached 21 minutes once (both have reached 20+ minutes 3x). If they both have the same number of high-minutes played games when Hamonic has played less due to vaccine status, again I ask is Lauzon really that much better? At this point, JL has 3 points in 19 games, is -5 and avg. 17:38; TH has 1 point in 7 games, is -1 and av. 19:28. With that, JL doesn't pull away in terms of minutes played or scoring, so he's not the 21+ minute horse that you're trying to falsely make him out to be. Like I said Lauzon is seven years younger and in only one more season from now will be on a whole different level compared to Hamonic. You’re also going off of Lauzon playing not only a fair amount of minutes on a struggling expansion team; but playing tough shutdown minutes on a struggling expansion team. Watch video. Lauzon is quicker, stronger, and less prone to BRUTAL mistakes that Hamonic has made. Hamonic finally being able to join the team was supposed to help turn things around. But if anything Hamonic made the blueline worse. Burroughs has been a younger, quicker, more physical presence than him. Wether Hamonic being in Abbotsford is to do with him being only single vaccinated or not is still not a good thing. He’s not fully vaccinated and is costing us significant dollars even in the AHL. And is not playing with his team on road games, learning new teammates enough, or bonding with teammates on road trip days off. If you were GM and Seattle phoned you and said they’ll give you Lauzon for Hamonic 1 for 1. You’d say no to a much younger, more physical, 2x cheaper, and healthier and quicker D-man???Case closed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMHockey Posted November 28, 2021 Author Share Posted November 28, 2021 @Phil_314 You have an NBA player as your profile picture on an NHL forum and make generic “fan shoving a hot dog in their face while yelling “shoot!” yet has never themselves even held a hockey stick” comments. And always have something to say to me that’s irrational just to knock my thread. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_314 Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 15 hours ago, ZH96 said: @Phil_314 You have an NBA player as your profile picture on an NHL forum and make generic “fan shoving a hot dog in their face while yelling “shoot!” yet has never themselves even held a hockey stick” comments. And always have something to say to me that’s irrational just to knock my thread. Keep telling yourself that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMHockey Posted November 29, 2021 Author Share Posted November 29, 2021 14 minutes ago, Phil_314 said: Keep telling yourself that. I don’t have to it’s just facts my friend 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_314 Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, ZH96 said: I don’t have to it’s just facts my friend Looks like we'll have to part and agree to disagree. Edited November 29, 2021 by Phil_314 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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