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Funny that you say that, I've thought that before, has to be more to it but Karma can be a real biotch can't it?!

How many said Petey sucked at the beginning of his contract when he wasn't producing. How many said Bubble Demko was dead when he wasn't playing well this season? How many roasted JTM for slowly getting off the ice in a game and CDC went off the rails? How many said Hughes was too small when he got here and wouldn't make it? I'm not going to sit here any longer explaining the past few years to you if you haven't been paying attention, go back and read Canucks forums for the last 5 years ffs! It's been constant! Are you for real? You have never heard we suck tear it down before? 1000's of times in the last 5 years? Really? Now that's funny.. we're done here lol

Well over at the world's, Garland seems to be continuing where he left off at the end of the last season. CG is doing really well over there and getting noticed, however are the right people watching? As in added interest from other teams in acquiring him? Hard to say but it's certainly can't be hurting his stock, question is what can we get for him and maybe that will help the issue, too bad he wasn't 6'2 and 210+, we all like his feisty play but not consistent enough but still a good player when he turns it on. Is that enough for a team to give us either a high pick or prospect? What do you think? Kind of hard to say BUT all we can hope for is that it balances out the others teams bargaining chip of knowing we need cap and same with Boeser I imagine. But back to Garland, he needs to be replaced by Hogs or Podz and we need depth! Can JR pull one out of his hat and score a home run and get this team finished off and have enough depth for the playoffs for once? Idk but at least Garland is trending up and maybe that will help us but no guarantees right? Thoughts? Late/Mid 1st pick for him or early 2nd? Hmmm...

Omg your funny, your on here enough, and signing the players I mentioned were great pick ups mixed with some bad but that's normally every GM, yet lots of people hang him out to dry like he did nothing and I clearly argue that's not true and I always have, and actually it's lame bringing it up over and f'n over because it is f'n over! But nooooo we had such a bad team because of Benning yet said roster went on winning streaks so how the F is it ALL his fault, because honestly, if we ended up with the same roster if JB started the job with just "some" locked in players instead of what Gillis locked in and able to trade right away, and picks and a farm with depth.. There was none of that, locked in term contracts, next to zero picks because we traded them away for the roster and no one in the pipeline! What a shi t show this team was at the time, and it stayed with the broken identity for years until the whole team was finally gone and that just happened 2 years ago from 2012 Yet people said we have nothing but a crappy team like our core is garbage and tear it down.. how the F have you missed any of this?? and you ask for proof? Quotes? Exhibit A.. this thread.. and how many like it have been posted? Omfg! Seriously? Lmao.. c'mo...

Are you clueless? Lol Nobody said anything? Omfg! Yeah RIGHT!

Alleging? Ummm the thread might have something to do with it, this has been going on for 2 years now, this isn't new! Where you been? Ok you want proof to start off with? JT Miller, the moron media said we got stiffed on it yet he comes in and pulls a 100 point season and first line on most teams but everyone (except for some of us) jumped on the wagon, came on the CDC and parroted everything they said as if it had a oz of f'n truth to it.. good grief! Lmao!

Yeah Demko Petey Quinn JTM etc.. All useless! POS Bums! Get rid of them!! NOW! My God how people can be just THAT stupid? No wonder people think most Canucks fans are really just idiots, and to be fair, most are. Prove it? Well how many here believe the bush league media here? LOTS!

Top reason why we need more toughness, right now, we're pussies, not tigers.. this roster would get eaten alive in a long playoff run and not really any depth. Not like this isn't a new thing for us but we certainly to need work on it.

Isn't saying that name on the CDC punishable by death? Thought we passed that law quite awhile ago!

Awhile back when questioned, PA didn't seem sure if he was going to sign D men or fill from within. So that's a bit vague. However expect us to cap dump for picks/prospects and after that's done we might see more activity.

You mean the aircraft sized mosquitoes fully equipped with aircraft landing and marker lights? Yep nasty lil _astards! Like horseflies..

Yeah but you can only do so many winter things before they get old.. trust me after 20 years in the north, hockey, curling, skiing, snowmobiling (elan 250 deluxe "dinosaur" before we finally got a 440) ice fishing.. It was super fun for awhile, don't get me wrong but over and over and over... Then 30 plus years in Vancouver, just rain, omfg I was in heaven! Just heaven got over crowded and expensive so up north in the snow again.. same old 2-3 ft of snow and hit the -30's a number of times. Next destination, Hope b.c.! Yeah it's small but it rains and 10 km up the Coq then snow if I want it but if it was up to me, I'd be in Florida! Anyway back to point, plus there's a clause written up in contracts and for how long it's been in existence I could tell you but a no trades to Canada is written in for some players contracts. So people thinking any player would be happy to play in Canada is mistaken and most want to play for Pitts, NY, LA etc so it just compounds a problem of getting players signed here and in fact, if you go back for the last 20 years and see how many Canadians were captains of USA teams you'd be surprised as I was so even Canadians would rather play in the big US market.. Gretzky, Lemeiux, Yzerman, Sakic, +++++ So unless they get big $ long terms here in Canada, most won't come unless they have no choice. So if it was only as easy as some think

And work on developing depth like a mofo, and pick and pick and pick.. until we have enough for once, and we're not far off, we just need a set roster, not a neverending turnstile! And I know YOU know tha. Granted we have horrible injury and draft luck but at least we're almost set now, the next 2 years will probably make us or break us... PA's comment on picking BPA makes me nervous, unless it's modified by getting the BPA in position because after the top 3 in the draft it's honestly opinion and getting the proper 1st round positioning can be as who you ask but in my opinion right now, we go after any D whose in the top 11 who has size skill and speed with an "attitude" you know what mean. Even if we have to trade to get it, we need to load up and keep it up because if we have more than we need we can always trade it. Do I trust management to get that done?! Not really but all I can do is HOPE they follow through on the promise of bigger and faster who would make a guy like Tocchet happy. Maybe it'll happen, maybe it won't..

Well remember back to when that was, he wasn't doing that well but at the end of the season he was back to his old self but his old self sucks defensively but there are teams out there looking for primarily scoring players like Boes. And for OEL, he played ok for awhile but as soon as we went back to what he was used to before here, a team sucking and went down with the ship so to speak but he still has top line talent, it's just a matter of proper motivation to get him going again. That would have been horrible playing for Arizona and yes it would grate on you and your love for the game but it's not like it can't be re-visited if we continue trending upward like at the end of the season. A re-set in other words, he has all the tools and then some.. Anyway Yeah it's all in management's hands now, all we can do is sit back and keep googling "Canucks news" until training camp.. It's going to be a long summer

Well there's always throwing in a pick that isn't first round and retaining salary if need be but you can't tell me moving Boes and Garland is impossible because it's not...

Well Tim, it's FLA, if it's you, would you rather play in Florida or say the frozen tundra aka Winterpeg? Easy answer no? It's NOT all UFA's and it's not all draft either, it's simply a mixture of both, vets and newbies and in between... The best mix wins.. or as close as you can get but without depth that all means nothing, a long season and a battle ground in the playoffs are sure to produce injuries. WE have not learned this.. it's always fans screaming for selling the farm for a one and done and did that ever work?

Math is actually simple, I think anyone who knows the option of Boes and Garland for prospects/picks. If it's prospects they won't get paid a ton and the a bridge can be done if necessary so it won't take away much from the 11mil cap combined for both of them. And if Bettman pulls mr PR man, there will be another 3 mil a team. We need to sign Petey so that's covered and not a bite into the cap would help. However the cap is there for that then anyway but left over will be enough for raises and upgrades and Giraffe off the books next season to help with raises. It's not that bad, really...

Your comment about SHL another year, I strongly disagree to it, why? Because the biggest difference is how much faster the NHL is due to lack of time and space on a smaller rink, I'd rather have them on a smaller rink asap. It's long talked about that it's the biggest adjustment because the room to skate around and do whatever you want is gone. I'm not saying there's not elite prospects who can make the adjustment a lot easier but that not the norm so... Anyway just an opinion

Actually if and I certainly hope so, trade Boeser and Garland only because both aren't that good defensively and we can't afford that anymore. Combined cap is 11 mil in exchange for picks or prospects is our best route, especially since Podz isn't going to get a huge raise, some $ yes but not huge, we'd spend some of that on Petey, and still have room left over for a good Dman and if the cap raises as Bettman alluded to then we could probably pull off a 3rd line center on a 2 year deal until replaced by a prospect to take over

Sounds like the JT Miller trade no? Forgetting he was playing on one of the deepest teams in the league at the time.. and also forgetting to see how well he did with Stammer, and he did play on his line more than once and rocked it and you think if people bothered to check, more people would have known that but nooooo.. dog's breakfast indeed!!! What a fan base... This is typical... Omfg! Lol! Smh! <------ ! You know this starts in the media right? 9 times out of 10... And we have bush league media so I guess it makes sense, the only thing their REALLY good at is sugar coating bull$hit so well people actually believe it!

I'm not convinced tearing it down is a step forward

C'mon we all know the CDC is the happiest when there's something to bitch about..

EP stop that! Forward critical thinking for yourself? it will not be tolerated on the CDC! Your now demoted to the minority side! Welcome over! Beers in the fridge... Mocking and laughing at those who refuse to think critically for themselves and blindly follow media etc, is strongly encouraged! Have fun with it! It's usually good for a laugh, you described the JT Miller scenario to a Tee, now Hronek is same thing like you mentioned.

Same as McDavid I imagine...

'is a reminder that the Canucks need some more size" Yes and it happens pretty much every year but is quickly forgotten. IF we would do trade someone else has to go and there's no one else in the line-up that creates that much cap relief as Flow to put with Garland's cap so we have 11 mil if Boes is traded for a pick/prospect as well as Garland and use the picks/prospects at D where we need to grow it and look for bigger guys so we have more of that grit and size we need mixed in, rather have that on 3-4 pairings and roll four lines and have the toughness factor. Just like the Sedins, our Petey, Kuz, Huggy, will all be wearing targets on their backs. However having a Tryamkin or similar x 2 and 2 more depth guys trying to take their spots competition and for injury call ups. I'd rather have 3 of bigger tougher guys on D, 2 on 4th pairing and 1 on 3rd pairing and then a cpl of the same on 4th line but skilled bigger tougher guys, have to be developed though for the most part because of a price tag of a RFA Dman. Tougher is good but it has to be balanced and the best balanced team (with depth) like that, takes home the cup, the rest? "WE" know how that goes.. ALL TOO WELL! And that's not going to change anytime soon..