Key Anti-Prostitution Laws Struck Down By Ontario Court

[Dazzle]

I don't think I ever said that. The issues of drug addiction, family abuse, mental health, violence against women, etc are huge.

Changing the laws around prostitution will not help any of these women.

[Buddhas Hand]

I have dealt with hundreds of prostitutes (in a professional capacity - not as a customer) and the ones who became prostitutes voluntarily were a minuscule percentage of the ones that I encountered.

The problems with pimps and recruitment is a serious issue and that is what the living off the avails and bawdy house provisions in the Criminal Code seeks to ameliorate. I absolutely loathe and despise pimps. The amount of violence I have seen visited on these women is shocking.

I recall one young girl that was being attacked on the street by a violent john and I intervened - with several well-placed blows of my Mag flashlight to his skull. BTW it is a myth that Mags do not dent. And then the idiot had problems getting his head past the door frame of my vehicle as i was getting ready to transport him to a holding cell. He should have learned to duck, I suppose.

As a result many of the girls working that area heard what I had done and whenever I needed street intel - all I had to do was ask.

The next week I again run into this girl and she asks me to help her get off the street as she was terrified of her pimp and I referred her to a group working with women trying to get out of the biz. A couple of weeks later I get a call at home from vice squad asking me if I knew her and I said yes. They said she was in hospital had asked for me by name. When I went to the hospital she told me that her pimp had found her. And her punishment? He had looped a piece of wire coat hanger into a wooden file handle and flayed her with it.

We ran down that piece of trash who was running a string of underage girls - some as young as 12. And somehow his file jacket was flagged as pedophile and someone in admin at the jail screwed up and put him in gen pop which did not work out so well for him when he suffered a severe head injury when hit with a pipe. So sad.

In my experience there are very few women who chose the life - most have no choice or have been coerced.

[aGENT]

I have met more scum bag lawyers than i have met women that have been forced into prostitution .

[Big Dave]

I believe there is a huge difference between the women Wetcoaster is talking about - women who have been hooked onto drugs and then forced to hook by their pimps or have otherwise found themselves in that situation, and a young 21 year old college student who becomes an upscale escort to pay her way through school and save up for a down payment on an apartment/house. I have formed these opinions by engaging in online communities where these women advertise, get reviewed by their customers, and talk about general topics much like we do here in the off topic forum.

It is a dangerous profession, even for the high end escorts as they never know who it is coming through their door, but the smart ones have screening techniques and safety measures in place.

There are also many different reasons why men go to escorts, and it's not just losers who can't get laid. There's the busy businessmen who travel alot and don't have time to date, men who's wive's have lost all interest in sex even after the husband has tried everything to get things back on track (counselling etc), or men who's wives are way too sick to engage is sexual activity. There are even escorts who will provide services to men with disabilities that most women wouldn't touch.

[Buddhas Hand]

That made me !

[Wetcoaster]

Well my experience in this matter is far different to yours , and i can assure you , most caucasian prostitutes in melbourne choose to be prostitutes , we do have a problen with the asian members of our population bringing in young girls and forcing them into prostitution , and this is one of the reasons why i believe it should be fully legalised and regulated .

I have met more scum bag lawyers than i have met women that have been forced into prostitution .

[Wetcoaster]

I believe there is a huge difference between the women Wetcoaster is talking about - women who have been hooked onto drugs and then forced to hook by their pimps or have otherwise found themselves in that situation, and a young 21 year old college student who becomes an upscale escort to pay her way through school and save up for a down payment on an apartment/house. I have formed these opinions by engaging in online communities where these women advertise, get reviewed by their customers, and talk about general topics much like we do here in the off topic forum.

It is a dangerous profession, even for the high end escorts as they never know who it is coming through their door, but the smart ones have screening techniques and safety measures in place.

There are also many different reasons why men go to escorts, and it's not just losers who can't get laid. There's the busy businessmen who travel alot and don't have time to date, men who's wive's have lost all interest in sex even after the husband has tried everything to get things back on track (counselling etc), or men who's wives are way too sick to engage is sexual activity. There are even escorts who will provide services to men with disabilities that most women wouldn't touch.

[Buddhas Hand]

Since we are not talking about Melbourne...

Nor about lawyers...

You seem wildly off topic.

[ronthecivil]

^ All that seems to indicate is that legalising prostitution greatly increases the number and amount of prostitution going on.

[Buddhas Hand]

^ All that seems to indicate is that legalising prostitution greatly increases the number and amount of prostitution going on.

[aGENT]

It's true mate .

[Wetcoaster]

Really .

I would just like to clarify something with you wetcoaster , it was you that started a personal dialogue with me , replying to one of my posts .

You also know that i live in melbourne , i have informed you of this fact on at least one occassion, so where exactly do you think my experiences in the matter we are discussing , have taken Place ?

This is an issue that i feel very strongly about , and just because you have seen the absolute worst of prostitution does not mean that your experiences are common place.

In Canada, the buying and selling of sexual services are legal, but most surrounding activities, such as public communication for the purpose of prostitution, brothels and procuring are offences under the criminal law.

While the prohibition of the activities surrounding the sex trade makes it difficult to practice prostitution without breaking any law, the act of exchanging sex for money has never been illegal in Canada, a situation which has created and continues to create confusion and controversy.

The prostitution laws have been largely unchanged since the early 19th century despite frequent commissions, studies and constitutional challenges since the introduction of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms in 1982. There are currently a number of constitutional challenges in process, one of which has been partially upheld by the Ontario Court of Appeal, but the federal government announced they are appealing this decision to the Supreme Court of Canada.[1]

There is a general agreement that the status quo of prostitution in Canada is problematic, but there is no consensus on what should be done.[2] There is an ideological disagreement between those who want to see prostitution eliminated, generally because they view it either as an exploitative or unacceptable part of society, and those who view prostitution as a transaction between consenting adults and advocate decriminalization.

The current Conservative government is in favour of stronger sanctions, having rejected recommendations from the 2006 parliamentary committee for reform, an agenda which had been a matter of discussion since the 1985 Fraser report. wikipedia

Maybe it is the archiac nature of the laws in your country, that relate to prostitution, that cause many of the problems that you have mentioned

Here are some facts to back up my assertion , that most sexworkers in melbourne, CHOOSE to be sex workers , and choose to do this not because they are drug addicts , but because of the financial reward

Students turn to sex work to help pay for university

Tom Reilly

March 2, 2008

HUNDREDS of university students in Victoria have turned to prostitution to pay their way through higher education, The Sunday Age has learnt.

Up to 40% of the female sex workers in Melbourne's brothels are attending the city's eight universities and other colleges.

Many of the women cite the costs of course fees, increased rent and a rise in the general cost of living for their decision to join the "oldest profession".

One 22-year-old Monash student, who has been working as a prostitute and escort for 18 months, told The Sunday Age: "In an ideal world I wouldn't be doing this work but it's well paid and there's no way I could afford to complete university and live out of home if I had any other part-time job."

The huge earning potential for these girls is the biggest attraction of sex work. According to managers at numerous brothels across the city, a pretty woman can pocket as much as $1400 on a busy night.

Nearly all the brothels contacted by The Sunday Age this week admitted they had students working in their establishments. Many said that between 40% and 50% of their girls were in full-time education.

Glen Barnes, general manager at Melbourne's largest brothel, the Daily Planet, said that university students often made the best workers. He explained: "We've got nearly 200 girls on our books and I'd say at least 35% are students, and they're nearly always a pleasure to deal with.

"Typically they're very career-oriented and know exactly what they want to get out of the job. Going to uni is obviously getting more and more expensive, and for many who haven't got wealthy parents, this is the best way to make ends meet. Most of the girls say it's the rising costs of fees and being a student in an expensive city like Melbourne that is making them consider the sex industry.

"We're happy to have them and try to provide an environment which supports them. That means that if it's quiet and they're not with a client we allow them to get out their laptops and study in a spare room."

Although there is no official register of sex workers in Melbourne's brothels, industry insiders believe there are up to 2000 women who are selling their bodies in the city.

A spokeswoman for Top of the Town, another large brothel in the CBD, with about 90 girls on its books, said that girls from all backgrounds were involved.

"You really can't generalise about the type of girl that will become a sex worker," she said

[Wetcoaster]

You are Kidding right ?

That article does nothing of the sort .

If you think that by making the oldest profession in the world illegal , it will stop it you are wrong .

And in fact it seems to make the working conditions of a sexworker more difficult and dangerous .

[Buddhas Hand]

That was some of the best BS i have read in a long time , and i can see that you make a great lawyer , your ability to obfuscate is second to none .

I repeat , your archiac laws seem to contribute to the dangerous working conditions of sex workers in your country , and your efforts to gag me , telling me i should stick to talking about my own country , are ridiculous , or are you trying to take away my right of freedom of speech ?

Maybe a more enlightened approach to a profession that predates yours by thousands of years , would actually help those , that choose to make a living from it .

[Wetcoaster]

That was some of the best BS i have read in a long time , and i can see that you make a great lawyer , your ability to obfuscate is second to none .

I repeat , your archiac laws seems to contribute to the dangerous working conditions of sex workers in your country , and your efforts to gag me , telling me i should stick to talking about my own country , are ridiculous , or are you trying to take away my right of freedom of speech ?

Maybe a more enlightened approach to a profession that predates yours by thousands of years , would actually help those , that choose to make a living from it .

[Drybone]

I have dealt with hundreds of prostitutes (in a professional capacity - not as a customer) and the ones who became prostitutes voluntarily were a minuscule percentage of the ones that I encountered.

The problems with pimps and recruitment is a serious issue and that is what the living off the avails and bawdy house provisions in the Criminal Code seeks to ameliorate. I absolutely loathe and despise pimps. The amount of violence I have seen visited on these women is shocking.

I recall one young girl that was being attacked on the street by a violent john and I intervened - with several well-placed blows of my Mag flashlight to his skull. BTW it is a myth that Mags do not dent. And then the idiot had problems getting his head past the door frame of my vehicle as i was getting ready to transport him to a holding cell. He should have learned to duck, I suppose.

As a result many of the girls working that area heard what I had done and whenever I needed street intel - all I had to do was ask.

The next week I again run into this girl and she asks me to help her get off the street as she was terrified of her pimp and I referred her to a group working with women trying to get out of the biz. A couple of weeks later I get a call at home from vice squad asking me if I knew her and I said yes. They said she was in hospital had asked for me by name. When I went to the hospital she told me that her pimp had found her. And her punishment? He had looped a piece of wire coat hanger into a wooden file handle and flayed her with it.

We ran down that piece of trash who was running a string of underage girls - some as young as 12. And somehow his file jacket was flagged as pedophile and someone in admin at the jail screwed up and put him in gen pop which did not work out so well for him when he suffered a severe head injury when hit with a pipe. So sad.

In my experience there are very few women who chose the life - most have no choice or have been coerced.

[Buddhas Hand]

"BS"?

You get called on the fact that the basis of your opinion is inapplicable to the matter under discussion in this thread. And your opinion is exposed as uninformed.

"BS" down under must mean something different than it does in Canada.

I am not gagging you, just offering you sage advice based upon a wealth of experience in the jurisdiction applicable to the issue under discussion so you do not continue to embarrass yourself by posting off topic and irrelevant "evidence"

As always:

[aGENT]

YOU CALLED ME

And please me enlighten as to why my opinion is inapplicable and uninformed .

I have educated myself on the basic laws of prostitution in your country , and in my HONEST opinion , they need to be changed .

As always here to enlighten

[Wetcoaster]

Wet tends to have trouble comprehending people who want to change laws for the better. He seems to only capable of grasping the law as it is, not as it should be.

[aGENT]

Nope that is incorrect.