Shift-4 Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 In fact we have trouble refining enough for our own needs at times. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/story/2009/10/14/alberta-shell-gas-shortage-scotford-calgary.html Gas shortage due to Shell refinery repairs Last Updated: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 | 4:51 PM MT A longer than expected maintenance at a Shell refinery has resulted in another gasoline shortage at retail stations in Alberta. The company's own stations, as well as others supplied by Shell, began running out of gas and diesel over the long weekend. Scheduled maintenance work that began in early September at Shell's Scotford refinery in Fort Saskatchewan, near Edmonton, has gone on longer than expected, resulting in a shortfall in supply, said spokeswoman Jackie Panera. "Although Shell secured sufficient fuel to cover this period, longer-than-planned maintenance activity, coupled with tight industry supply, has resulted in a temporary shortage of gas and diesel," she said. "We do have plans in place to allocate amounts to customers so that we are trying to get the product out to customers as quickly and safely as possible." Panera did not know when the maintenance would be done, but said the gas and diesel shortage could last for the rest of October. She said Shell is looking at importing gas and diesel from other parts of Canada and the United States. Shell won't say how many stations in Alberta are affected. A major storm in August damaged equipment or knocked out power to Petro-Canada's refinery in Edmonton and Imperial Oil's facility in Strathcona County, leading to gas shortages at retail stations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronthecivil Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Regardless of the pipeline approval or not we should be refining more at home. Given that they can't seem to get approval to build any why don't we give them approval? Can't see why we can't entice a refinery proposal with all the oil we produce. It would be a massive job and tax creator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shift-4 Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Regardless of the pipeline approval or not we should be refining more at home. Given that they can't seem to get approval to build any why don't we give them approval? Can't see why we can't entice a refinery proposal with all the oil we produce. It would be a massive job and tax creator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronthecivil Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 There would still be petitions and lobbyists to stop that too though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Standing_Tall#37 Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Correct - Suncor (former Petro Canada) has 2 very large ones - Edmonton & Montreal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Standing_Tall#37 Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Regardless of the pipeline approval or not we should be refining more at home. Given that they can't seem to get approval to build any why don't we give them approval? Can't see why we can't entice a refinery proposal with all the oil we produce. It would be a massive job and tax creator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dittohead Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 They would jeopardize the livelihoods of tens of thousands of British Columbians Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronthecivil Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 I wanna see it piped to Vancouver, and refined down there, would be good for job creation, your right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langdon Algur Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Don't we already have supertanker's crusing down the BC Coast? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronthecivil Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 No there is currently an unofficial moritorium on oil tankers off the Northern BC coast. Parliament actually passed a ban on oil tanker traffic on the BC coast but it sounds like Harper plans to ignore parliament and go ahead with this project anyways. http://www.cbc.ca/ne...ker-motion.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langdon Algur Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 I am not in favour of allowing tankers through the inside passage but open sea transport with double hulled tankers is, I believe, at least as safe and likely more so than off-shore drilling platforms like in NewFoundland, Guld of Mexico, North sea etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langdon Algur Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 How so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIBdaQUIB Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Have a look at Kitimat on a map sometime or better yet Google Earth. Transport to Kitimat would not be open sea but involve going through a large narrow channel. Oh and to Ron I know it is within Harpers powers to ignore the Oil ban but it would be reversing a recent vote in the house of parliament which could be viewed as undemocratic. Also yes Oil from Alaska could (and has) drip into BC but is that any reason for Canada not to Act to protect it's own waters where it can? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curmudgeon Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Kitimat is located on the very narrow Douglas Channel. Strong tides and extreme weather can whip the seas up pretty severely. The potential for Envirnonmental damage from pipelines is far greater than Harper's government is letting on. Then once the tankers are out of the maze of islands at the mouth of Douglas Channel, they then hang a right and cruise up Hecate Strait, between the Queen Charlottes and Prince Rupert, on their way to China. Hecate Strait is not only home to one of the best sportsfishing areas in BC (halibut, cod, salmon) but is also a commercial fishery already crowded by more and more Alaskan Cruise ships, as well as tourism. And that's only the issues related to once the pipeline has reached tidewater. The proposed pipeline crosses several different aboriginal territories and whatever you may think of their claims, have a legtimate voice in how their reserve lands could be damaged. Loss of fish and wildlife habitat is not acceptable to the majority of affected First Nations, and simply throwing money at them might prove to be a short term solution, but not in the long run. I lived in Prince George, McLeod Lake and Bear Lake for nearly 38 years and fished the Skeena, Hecate Strait, Work Channel and the Kitimat and guess what: I'd be happy to give up fishing those places for ten years if if meant the fish stocks could recover. Pipelines aren't compatible with robust fish stocks, and hundreds of thousands of dollars flow into the northwestern economy because of fishing, hunting and eco tourism. A pipeline would kill it. So, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLindenIsGod Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 More than 13,000 jobs are directly related to coastal industries, and generate millions of dollars. Oil spill means dead fish dead fish means out of work fishermen It really isn't that difficult to figure out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Standing_Tall#37 Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Ya, that's what I was thinking RE: the "do you want it in your back yard". I wish there was a few refineries here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OgS.MVP Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 I voted for the building of the pipeline, economy comes before environment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perfect From Now On Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Here is a disturbing video of a large cover up by Enbridge of an oil spill in Michigan. The lengths that enbridge has gone to hide the spill rather than being accountable and cleaning it up is scary and a look at what may happen to BC if there is a spill on the northern gateway. Enbridge must be stopped! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TabdIyvRL7c&feature=colike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Evil Twin Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Here is a disturbing video of a large cover up by Enbridge of an oil spill in Michigan. The lengths that enbridge has gone to hide the spill rather than being accountable and cleaning it up is scary and a look at what may happen to BC if there is a spill on the northern gateway. Enbridge must be stopped! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TabdIyvRL7c&feature=colike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perfect From Now On Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Thank you for posting that. Makes me want to drown the bastards responsible for this in their goddamn oil. Every name on that list at the end needs a good beating by the whole community. Cops too. Worthless pigs. That is an atrocity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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