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#121 Ferro

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 09:54 PM

As much as I love Cody, he's built to be a 1st or 2nd line center and given that we have H. Sedin and Kesler for these roles, Cody was the odd man out in the long term. Add that to the fact that some playoff teams just got a lot bigger and tougher, we needed that big body in the lineup because you just know that whoever we face in the playoffs will try to immitate what Boston did last year by trying to bully us. I think many people are looking at this deal as a horrible one mainly due to their love for Cody but it's really not all that bad. Kassian has a hard and tough playing style. His play will be more and more appreicated by the fan as things get tougher and he gets better.
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Posted 27 February 2012 - 09:55 PM

One of Kassians favorite players growing up, guess who?










































Bertuzzi :frantic:
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Posted 27 February 2012 - 09:56 PM

Man, It stings to hear CoHo gone, what stings me more is that we are going to vs. Sabres this Saturday. I hope MG knows what he's doing, anyways I hope Cody does a great job in buffalo, i bet he will get an "A" next year. This trade was like the Linden-Bertuzzi Trade, but what a coincidence if we got Hodgson back. I hope Kassian helps this team alot, if is worth Hodgson than he has to prove it.
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Posted 27 February 2012 - 09:56 PM

Stop using the excuse of COHO being stuck behind Henrik and Kesler to feel better about this retarded trade.
Hodgson could've easily been 2nd line center with Kesler and Booth on his wings.

Kassian could easily become Steve Bernier v2.0, good junior stats, big power forward game, no hands, questionable worth ethic.

I would've traded Raymond and whatever picks it took, before i even thought about COHO.

Do you see Pittsburgh trading Jordan Stall, because he's stuck behind Crosby and Malkin?


I that trade never would have happened. Gillis didnt want to trade Hodgson, they asked for him because they are thin down the middle. The Sabres have tons of young talented wings. They were already the smallest team in the NHL, why the hell would they want Raymond.

You dont get to choose who goes....you have to make sacrifices sometimes. We were too small last year and we are (were) smaller than we were last year. Get over it. Its done. The Canucks development has turned some players who were to be nothing more than grinders, into some pretty special players.
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Posted 27 February 2012 - 09:59 PM

In the next few years we could have...........

Jensen X player Kassasin.........that line would be great I hoped speed skill grit size
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Posted 27 February 2012 - 10:06 PM

LOL I'm cautious but excited. Cautious because it took us Hodgson to acquire him, excited because he's something that we haven't had in a long time - a rugged power forward with skill and speed. I just hope the fans don't jump him if he is deemed not NHL-ready - this can be a futuristic move, not necessarily a now or never type deal where he NEEDS to be on the top 9 lines - we got Pahlsson to replace Cody, not Kassian. I wouldn't mind it if he went to Chicago either to develop and come up in the playoffs if he needs more time.



We can't replace the points per game average type of offense Cody has brought to this team. Could be wrong, hope I'm wrong but Kassian is a big question mark when it comes to offense. Sammy will help in the shut down defensive department, so very very doubtful that he will be an offensive threat.
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Posted 27 February 2012 - 10:06 PM

I think Hodgson could have been effective as 2nd line RW.


He had some ice time with kesler as his winger i believe after he scored the goal on tim thomas, he really had trouble skating with him and was number of strides behind trying to catch up, us fans of cody decided he was better suited to center.

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 10:08 PM

Well despite what happened to us vs Boston last year, l believe that we needed more of a BIGGER presence, more muscle to compliment our team. l hope as many in Nuck Nation, that with Zack he gives us the options up front to help Kes and the Sedins.
l think these new acquisitions will do well for us to survive the tough rounds to getting us the Stanley Cup!

l'm glad ownership and the Nuck's organization have addressed what we will need for this years run! This is going to be something special in the making!
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Posted 27 February 2012 - 10:08 PM

We can't replace the points per game average type of offense Cody has brought to this team. Could be wrong, hope I'm wrong but Kassian is a big question mark when it comes to offense. Sammy will help in the shut down defensive department, so very very doubtful that he will be an offensive threat.


Kassian is never going to replace Cody's point production, nor is he expected to.

That's not what he was brought in for - it was simply a trade by two teams addressing their lack of depth in the respective positions. We got a RW power forward, they got a center.

Sami Pahlsson's shutdown minutes indirectly increase our point production. When we had Cody, we were forced to play Kesler 20 shutdown minutes so that we could free up 10-13 minutes of sheltered offensive minutes for Cody to play on the 3rd line.

Now with Pahlsson taking 10-13 minutes of Kesler's shutdown minutes, Kesler can play the 10-13 minutes of the offensive minutes that Cody was playing.

All this time, Kesler's been producing despite having to go up against the other team's top line night in and night out for 20 minutes. Now imagine what he can do with those sheltered minutes that Cody got.

Last season Kesler broke out because Manny came in to take his shutdown minutes on the 3rd line before he got injured. This year, we have both Pahlsson AND Manny now to take defensive minutes - meaning Kesler can focus almost strictly on offense.

Edited by Dasein, 27 February 2012 - 10:11 PM.

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 10:09 PM

I've been saying this in some of the other threads but here it goes again my 2 cents on this

1) First and foremost I like most of you on this board am sad to see Cody go..he hopefully thrives in Buffalo (Just not this Saturday :lol: )

2) A lot of you seem to be writing of Kassian as a project player who will only help us in the future (which could and probably is somewhat true) but I think a lot of you have also forgotten that when Hodgson came into this season he was just as unproven as Kassian is now ( CoHo only had 2 pts in 8 games and 1pt in 12 playoff games). Now I know stats don't mean much with the limited icetime Cody got last year but my point here is that Cody coming into this year had not done much at the pro level so who's to say Kassian won't come in to the canucks lineup and do similar things (NOT saying he will..it is just a possibility that has yet to be seen)

3) I know in response to my last point there some of you might say that Kassian was given an opportunity in Buffalo and only put up 3G-4A-7PTS in 27 games but I think as I previously stated that these numbers don't mean much given he is in a different situation here where AV will hopefully put him with some linemates that he has chemistry with.

Anyway those are my thoughts in summary I think we should give this guy a chance before calling GMMG an idiot...I trust what management is doing and I trust that they understand what we need to take this team to a cup
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Posted 27 February 2012 - 10:09 PM

I that trade never would have happened. Gillis didnt want to trade Hodgson, they asked for him because they are thin down the middle. The Sabres have tons of young talented wings. They were already the smallest team in the NHL, why the hell would they want Raymond.

You dont get to choose who goes....you have to make sacrifices sometimes. We were too small last year and we are (were) smaller than we were last year. Get over it. Its done. The Canucks development has turned some players who were to be nothing more than grinders, into some pretty special players.


So, because Buffalo wanted Hodgson Gillis was forced to give him to them? Gillis had no pressure to trade Hodgson, but in the end, unfortunately, he did.
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Posted 27 February 2012 - 10:11 PM

Hodgson for Meyers fits our needs more and is more of a fair trade.

The rest of the NHL is laughing at us right now for making that trade.



Actually most pundits think we won that trade. I don't really see that yet, but lets see how this plays out.

From what little I know about him, I can really see Kassassin becomming a fan favourite, so give him a break.

Edited by TimberWolf, 27 February 2012 - 10:12 PM.

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 10:11 PM

Guy's he's a year younger than Hodgson and has 7 points in 27 games, let's not forget that Cody had only 3 points in 20 games last year (reg + playoffs). If you are going to complain that Kassian hasn't been getting points in his last 17 games...well neither has Hodgson really, he had a great Jan but a pretty slow February once checking has gotten tighter. I think he had two goals this month, both deflected in off opponents.

Come playoff time we need a third line that can shut down and wear down the opposition...having guys like Pahlsson, Malholtra, Kassian, Hansen and Lappierre in our bottom 6 are going to be crucial for that role. I LOVED Coho here and I think he could be clutch occasionally throughout the playoffs, but this deal benefits our needs now more than keeping Hodgson. Also keep in mind Hodgson was going to be an UFA really soon and his agent has been saying all along that they want him getting more minutes as a 2nd line centre....theres no room for one here with Mr. Art Ross and Mr. Selke in the lineup. From an emotional standpoint this trade sucks and is hard to take...but I think it will make us better this year and next.
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Posted 27 February 2012 - 10:15 PM



Admit it, how many of you guys went full-on World of Warcraft freakout and tried to shove a remote up your butt when you heard?
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Posted 27 February 2012 - 10:15 PM

Like most have understood...Coho won't ever unseed Hank or Kesler for Center spot on first two lines. Coho will be a great player for a longtime but also Zack will be as well and is more needed for what he can bring to this team. I also like the other moves the Canucks made today.

Bottom line is we want to win our first Cup right now and in the summer we could vary well have Webber and Nash on route to Van. I only mention this because Coho would have demanded more money soon and we just won't be spending that kind of money on a 3rd line center.

Lets see if the Twins get a facewash after shift in this years final :)
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Posted 27 February 2012 - 10:15 PM

Only time will tell
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Posted 27 February 2012 - 10:15 PM

On the 1996 NHL trade deadline the Pittsburgh Penguins traded Markus Naslund to the Vancouver Canucks for Alek Stojanov. Stojanov played only 107 games in the NHL recording a whopping 7 points. Naslund became the face of the Canucks both and on and off the ice. I hope to God that we didn't trade away a Naslund.
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Posted 27 February 2012 - 10:15 PM

Zack Kassian for Alexander Sulzer
Marc-Andre Gragnani for Cody Hodgson

There now it feels better. I am sure that is more, or less the idea of the trade. The Canucks need more strength at forward and depth at defence. Solved and solved.
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Posted 27 February 2012 - 10:17 PM

If you're bummed out by this trade, that's because you are making a direct comparison between Hodgson and Kassian. Yes, it hurts to lose a potential franchise center, but you need to recognize that Zack Kassian is not coming over from Buffalo to replace Cody - we did that with a previous deal for Sami Pahlsson. With Pahlsson, we are going back to the conventional shutdown 3rd line. This allows us to give those sheltered offensive minutes that we gave to Cody by having Kesler play the entire game in the shutdown role to Kesler - by having Pahlsson take half of Kesler's shutdown minutes.

Without doubt, Kesler will outproduce Cody with the same offensive minutes - that's what happened last season when we got Manny to take some of Kesler's defensive minutes before he got injured. Now, we have 2 lines that can take Kesler's shutdown minutes, meaning Kesler will really be able to focus on offense. With this formula, we went to game 7 of the SCF despite both Manny and Kesler getting injured. With another addition of Pahlsson (and having Booth instead of Samuelsson and Luongo playing the way he is this year), we are better equipped than last year.

Now let's focus on Kassian. What do we have in this kid? A big, rugged power forward that can shoot, skate and play. Here's my take though Canucks fans - dont, please don't, expect Kassian to be our "answer" to Boston, or as our "Lucic".

This kid just turned 21 and this is his first season in the pros against men. No matter how big you are, you are going to be intimidated, not intimidating, by the other big experienced players in this league. Buffalo had the unfair expectations for this kid to be their answer to Boston - how do you expect a then-20 year old to take on the entire Boston team? Boston plays the way they do because their entire roster is willing to fight - from Chara to Thornton to Campbell to Horton to Lucic - everybody fights on Boston. To expect one kid, a 21 year old, to stand up to all of them, is insane.

Buffalo played this kid like his biggest asset was his toughness - so they played him as a 3rd/4th line banger and killed his offensive instincts in the process. He was constantly moved up and down from AHL to NHL and it's as if they had him believe that the only way he could stick to the roster was by fighting...

But what I think Buffalo overlooked is that Kassian has great skills. Kassian can skate extremely well for his size. Kassian can shoot very well. Kassian can pass very well. Kassian can hold on to, and protect the puck with his body extremely well. Most importantly, Kassian is a beast along the boards.

Kassian can help us gain possession and keep our cycle game going. He's not a fighter - that mean streak aspect of his game will come along as he gets more confident and established in this league.

He can help us NOW on the top 9. This kid is skilled - it's a different skillset than Cody - Kassian's skills are speed, size, grit, puck possession and board battles. He is an impact player in many ways that Cody is not. Similarly, Cody is an impact player in many ways that Kassian is not - smart, playmaking, leadership. Except - we have players that have the skillset that Cody has, and they are better at Cody in that regard. We do not have players better than Kassian at what he does with his size, speed and skillset.

Kassian, if he cannot help us now, will help us in the future greatly. The reality of the trade is, we don't need Kassian to be an impact player this season. Pahlsson is what we swapped Hodgson for - not Kassian. We can afford to wait for Kassian to develop if we need to send him down. No worries. But when he is ready, he will bring something to this team that nobody else can.

With our player development and leadership, I have no doubt that whatever "problems" Kassian is rumoured to have will get straightened out by the veteran leadership in our locker room, our experienced coaching staff or the organization.


I agree and plus 1 but this may not be the time. Most are thinking with their hearts. I was pretty bummed and overvalued COHO in my mind. I do think Kassassin will rock this house and hope that people give him a warm welcome.

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 10:18 PM

Come playoff time we need a third line that can shut down and wear down the opposition...having guys like Pahlsson, Malholtra, Kassian, Hansen and Lappierre in our bottom 6 are going to be crucial for that role.


Do you think Kassian is good enough defensively? Yes, he has the size, strength, and grit of a shutdown player but is the shutdown in this player?
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Posted 27 February 2012 - 10:18 PM

I'm hoping for Hodgson to rip it up in Buffalo cause he's such a nice and humble guy but then again if he does really well then Canucks fans wont be happy cause they'll think we lost the trade. In order for us to win this trade, Coho has to do average but I really don't want to see that happen to such a great guy.

That is the problem, isn't it haha.
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Posted 27 February 2012 - 10:19 PM

Sorta reminds me of the Linden for Bertuzzi trade


Meaning we will get CoHo back??

It's funny how Kassian's favourite player growing up is Bertuzzi.
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Posted 27 February 2012 - 10:20 PM

So, because Buffalo wanted Hodgson Gillis was forced to give him to them? Gillis had no pressure to trade Hodgson, but in the end, unfortunately, he did.

So, because Buffalo wanted Hodgson Gillis was forced to give him to them? Gillis had no pressure to trade Hodgson, but in the end, unfortunately, he did.


No he wasnt forced to, but as Gillis has done in the past, he recognized the need and made a sacrifice to get it. Its the Nature of the business. As I said before, we were actually smaller than we were last year, until this trade. Now we have more toughness, grit and a depth defencemen that is already better than Ballard.

You dont have to like it, but you do have to live with it. So you might as well sit back and enjoy the ride. Save your judgements..
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Posted 27 February 2012 - 10:21 PM

Welcome Zack Kassian to the vancouver canucks! Could not be more thrilled to have you on the team! Its sad to see Coho go but Kassian is exactly what we need and i cant wait to see you destroy a phx player tmw!
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Posted 27 February 2012 - 10:21 PM

Hodgson and Kassian would have been sick. Too bad...
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Posted 27 February 2012 - 10:22 PM

Do you think Kassian is good enough defensively? Yes, he has the size, strength, and grit of a shutdown player but is the shutdown in
this player?

To be honest, a bottom six of

Higgins - Pahlsson - Kassian
Lapierre - Malhotra - Hansen

is better than a bottom six of

Higgins - Hodgson - Hansen
Lapierre - Malhotra - Bitz

I say scratch Raymond to have a line up that looks like:

Daniel - Henrik - Burrows
Booth - Kesler - Higgins
Hansen - Pahlsson - Kassian
Lapierre - Malhotra - Reinprecht

I'd be much more comfortable going into the playoffs with that line up than one with Raymond in it.

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 10:22 PM

At first I was shocked - we all have the feeling of a personal attachment to Cody, like we raised him to where he is now - how could we get rid of him? And who are these guys coming in to replace him?

The longer I think about it though, the more the shock dulls and the more I like this deal:

1. Kassian's development is along the lines of where Hodgson was last year. One thing that Hodgson didn't (and doesn't) have, is Kassian's power - Kassian is a major physical upgrade over Hodgson.
2. If Kassian continues his development as expected, I can see him on the 2nd-3rd line next year, and 1st-2nd the year after that. Here, Hodgson would still be behind Kesler and Henrik at that point. Sure Hodgson's the future, but he wouldn't be able to realize that future playing on the 3rd line.

Don't forget - we got Gragnani as well.
1. This guy's not just a spare part like Sulzer - coming from a team that is -27, this guy is a +10.
2. He can score goals too - the easy comparison from spending time together in Buffalo is a "more defensively minded Ehrhoff". He'll obviously be given a chance to play on the right side of Edler, and if it works, then that's awesome. Worst case he replaces Ballard as our #5.
3. He'll also be an offensive upgrade to the 2nd PP unit over Bieksa/Hammer, letting them focus more on the tough minutes.


Take a step back, try to ignore your emotional attachment to Hodgson, and look at the benefits of what we're getting in return. It's a pretty good deal that happens to benefit both sides.
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Posted 27 February 2012 - 10:23 PM

On the 1996 NHL trade deadline the Pittsburgh Penguins traded Markus Naslund to the Vancouver Canucks for Alek Stojanov. Stojanov played only 107 games in the NHL recording a whopping 7 points. Naslund became the face of the Canucks both and on and off the ice. I hope to God that we didn't trade away a Naslund.


Maybe we got the Naslund.
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Posted 27 February 2012 - 10:23 PM

On the 1996 NHL trade deadline the Pittsburgh Penguins traded Markus Naslund to the Vancouver Canucks for Alek Stojanov. Stojanov played only 107 games in the NHL recording a whopping 7 points. Naslund became the face of the Canucks both and on and off the ice. I hope to God that we didn't trade away a Naslund.


Buffalo's thinking the same thing with Kassian.
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Posted 27 February 2012 - 10:27 PM

People have been comparing this to the Cam Neely trade, but the thing is, WE are getting a Cam Neely.

Edit: that's not to say they get a flop, just that I don't think we did.

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