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#1 Velleman

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 05:31 PM

"The Vancouver Canucks are right in the middle of one of the most interesting goaltending storylines to hit the National Hockey League post-lockout. Over the last two seasons, Cory Schneider and Roberto Luongo formed one of the most dominating goaltending tandems in the league. One the one hand, having two goaltenders that are capable of starting in the NHL is a great luxury. On the other hand, the Canucks are sitting with goaltenders that, if traded, could certainly bring in assets to benefit the team in both the short and long term.

After Alain Vigneault decided to start Cory Schneider in games three, four and five of the first round in these past playoffs, most people jumped to the logical conclusion that Roberto Luongo’s time in Vancouver was done. The thought was that Roberto had been replaced by a younger and arguably better goaltender. Immediately, message boards exploded with speculation that Roberto would be traded to Toronto, Tampa Bay, New Jersey, Columbus or Florida. Months later, fans still do not have their answer to this conundrum as the Canucks organization has remained incredibly tight lipped.

Much to the chagrin of many Canuck fans, Roberto Luongo is not going to fetch the team a massive bounty in a trade. Luongo’s age, contract and the feeling that the Canucks ‘need’ to move him all factor in to lower his trade value. Regardless of the contract's structure, which may indicate that Roberto only intends on playing another five to six seasons, not many teams are going to part with much to acquire a goaltender locked in for the next ten years. The most logical trading partner for the Canucks when it comes to a potential Luongo deal is arguably the Toronto Maple Leafs. Still, the Leafs would not want to part with much to take on Luongo and his massive contract. To all fans saying Luongo is worth Gardiner and the fifth overall pick, unfortunately that is not the case.

With all of the Luongo talk, many people seem to have forgotten the prospect of trading Cory Schneider. Schneider, unlike Luongo, would be worth something along the lines of a young NHL player like Luke Schenn and a top-10 draft pick. Schneider’s youth, pedigree and athletic ability have many general managers absolutely drooling.

Mike Gillis recently expressed his interest in making the Canucks a younger team. With Eddie Lack, a goaltender regarded as one of the best stoppers currently outside the NHL, waiting in the wings, would it not make sense for the Canucks to at least consider trading Schneider for a package that would bring in a top-10 draft pick and a good, young roster player? The Canucks’ window to win a Stanley Cup right now begins and ends with the Sedin twins. At worst, Roberto Luongo can carry the team through that window; at best, he can be a key contributor.

If trading Schneider could bring in a young piece like a Griffin Reinhart, an Alex Galchenyuk, a Morgan Rielly, a Radek Faksa or a Filip Forsberg, would it not be at least worth considering? The top-10 in this years draft is incredibly strong at center and on defense. It just so happens that those two areas are where the Canucks have their greatest need. Add to that a player like a Luke Schenn and you have yourself the basis of a great future for the Canucks. If Eddie Lack is truly as good as the Canucks, and the scouting world, believe him to be, trading Schneider should definitely be an option Mike Gillis is considering."

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Found this article which pretty much advocates a lot of what I've been saying for a while. If we can trade Schneider for a package that better suits this team today and in five years that would be much better. If we trade Lui, we'll probably have to take back some salary. If we trade Schneider, we can get younger pieces. Luongo is going to be good for the next 4-5 years. Let him groom Eddie Lack and then have Lack take over when Luongo leaves Vancouver.....the right way.

I get that Luongo is probably the one who is going to be traded....but I feel like there may be a better opportunity out there.

Thoughts?

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 05:33 PM

Who ever we keep I'm happy, just win us a god damn Stanley Cup who ever it is.
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Posted 15 June 2012 - 05:38 PM

I've been thinking the exact same concept. If Schneider gets traded, they have the utmost confidence that Eddie Lack is going to be able to take the next step.
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Posted 15 June 2012 - 05:42 PM

Keep Luongo. Get a solid D in the draft. Solidify D, and Luongo should be better in net.
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Posted 15 June 2012 - 05:44 PM

If MG does decide it best to trade Schneids, a lot more options would be available. Columbus would definately be back in the fold. I could see Anaheim being interested in an upgrade. Gotta think Tampa would be a little miffed.

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 05:49 PM

If MG does decide it best to trade Schneids, a lot more options would be available. Columbus would definately be back in the fold. I could see Anaheim being interested in an upgrade. Gotta think Tampa would be a little miffed.


Who knows if Toronto decides to take a bid...
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Posted 15 June 2012 - 05:51 PM

Still risky,

Schenn for Schneider...no way! Add in a young prospect that may not be able to handle the NHL for a couple years and you have given up a potential star goalie for a struglling D man and a no-show prospect while the Sedins age a couple more years.

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 05:53 PM

They might trade schneider, but I believe " the team" is more comfortable and trusts in Schneider more ! He also fits into the younger gategory....would have to be blockbuster and team changing for MG to include Schneider in a deal.

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 05:57 PM

It's come down to.. I don't care who we keep anymore, just want to see the Canucks win a cup already.
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Posted 15 June 2012 - 05:58 PM

What I proposed from the beginning and makes perfect sense.

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 06:00 PM

Honestly, I'm a Schneider fan, but if we ended up keeping Lou, I wouldnt be that upset either. They're both amazing goaltenders; I'm just sorta out of patience with Lou, which is Ironic because this year really wasnt his fault...same with the Stanley Cup Finals.

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 06:00 PM

If he can get more in return for Schneider than he can for Luongo then it's a no-brainer to me....

Trade whoever will get us the most back, we have 2 #1 goalies we'll be fine with whoever we keep

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 06:03 PM

I have been saying the Canucks will trade Schneider and keep Luongo all along this so called "goalie controversy".

Obviously I don't have any inside info on this situation but it just makes more sense when you take every thing into account, including but not limited to Luongo's NTC, Schneider's lack of NTC and the potential return for Schneider.

I still think the Canucks will keep Luongo and trade Schneider. CBJ would pay a king's ransom for Schneider.

Guess we will all find out very soon.

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 06:03 PM

Keep Luongo. Get a solid D in the draft. Solidify D, and Luongo should be better in net.

Our window is now and waiting for a defensive prospect to develop won't help our chances of winning the Cup now.

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 06:11 PM

It's riskier to rely on Schneider to play 60 games (double what he's ever played before) than Luongo to turn out another 30 win season which we all know he's capable of.

It's riskier to rely on Schneider to somehow go on a magical cup run in the playoffs when he's got a career playoff record of 1 win and has nothing to draw back upon in terms of experience.

It's riskier to even have Lack as our backup in either situation when he's never played an NHL game before.

Canucks should try and keep both goalies, if not trade Schneider for a solid defenceman who can play upwards of 20 minutes and find a backup in the UFA market.
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Posted 15 June 2012 - 06:14 PM

At this point trading Cory makes most sense, but if your looking at the future then trading Luongo makes more sense. The only problem here is the fans and media because we want a cup NOW and not later.

That is why trading Schneider would make more sense because we would get a whole lot more in return. Trade Luongo would still get you a solid return but by trading Cory you get a little bit better return.

For Luongo I would expect Top 4 D, Bottom 6 Forward, prospect, 1st Round Pick (23-30).

For Schneider I would expect Top 6 Forward, Bottom 2 D (Bryan Allen type), Prospect, 1st Round Pick (Top 15), 3rd Round Pick.

If we want a cup within the next 3-4 years, then trading Schneider would give us the best chance at that.
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Posted 15 June 2012 - 06:19 PM

Schneider
Raymond
First
2nd


For

Gardiner
No. 5 pick
Colborne

Boom

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 06:20 PM

If he can get more in return for Schneider than he can for Luongo then it's a no-brainer to me....

Trade whoever will get us the most back, we have 2 #1 goalies we'll be fine with whoever we keep


There lies the problem...trading Schnieder only frees up a certain amount of Cap space on a team that if right up against it (or still very close with the Cap going up) So the return wouldnt be a player that would have a big Cap hit unless there was a package made. I could see a Schnieder - Ballard for a big return...I would honestly prefer to go with Schnieder, I just feel like this team with Luongo has run its course. The team just plays differently in front of Schnieder, they always have.

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 06:22 PM

At this point trading Cory makes most sense, but if your looking at the future then trading Luongo makes more sense. The only problem here is the fans and media because we want a cup NOW and not later.

That is why trading Schneider would make more sense because we would get a whole lot more in return. Trade Luongo would still get you a solid return but by trading Cory you get a little bit better return.

For Luongo I would expect Top 4 D, Bottom 6 Forward, prospect, 1st Round Pick (23-30).

For Schneider I would expect Top 6 Forward, Bottom 2 D (Bryan Allen type), Prospect, 1st Round Pick (Top 15), 3rd Round Pick.

If we want a cup within the next 3-4 years, then trading Schneider would give us the best chance at that.


I think we have a better chance with Cory in net now than we do with Luongo now. Trade Luongo get an upgrade on D, trade Ballard get an upgrade playmaker for the 2nd line. And done

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 06:24 PM

At this point trading Cory makes most sense, but if your looking at the future then trading Luongo makes more sense. The only problem here is the fans and media because we want a cup NOW and not later.

That is why trading Schneider would make more sense because we would get a whole lot more in return. Trade Luongo would still get you a solid return but by trading Cory you get a little bit better return.

For Luongo I would expect Top 4 D, Bottom 6 Forward, prospect, 1st Round Pick (23-30).

For Schneider I would expect Top 6 Forward, Bottom 2 D (Bryan Allen type), Prospect, 1st Round Pick (Top 15), 3rd Round Pick.

If we want a cup within the next 3-4 years, then trading Schneider would give us the best chance at that.


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Posted 15 June 2012 - 06:26 PM

I have been saying the Canucks will trade Schneider and keep Luongo all along this so called "goalie controversy".

Obviously I don't have any inside info on this situation but it just makes more sense when you take every thing into account, including but not limited to Luongo's NTC, Schneider's lack of NTC and the potential return for Schneider.

I still think the Canucks will keep Luongo and trade Schneider. CBJ would pay a king's ransom for Schneider.

Guess we will all find out very soon.


Problem lies in the fact we cant take back a kings ransom in salary, unless we dump some. I high draft pick is nice, but thats not likely to help us now. Nash is never happening, ever

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 06:30 PM

Getting Nash is soooo possible if we move Schneider

Schneider
Booth
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Sweat

For

Nash
2nd

Boom!!

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 06:32 PM

There lies the problem...trading Schnieder only frees up a certain amount of Cap space on a team that if right up against it (or still very close with the Cap going up) So the return wouldnt be a player that would have a big Cap hit unless there was a package made. I could see a Schnieder - Ballard for a big return...I would honestly prefer to go with Schnieder, I just feel like this team with Luongo has run its course. The team just plays differently in front of Schnieder, they always have.


well at the same time if we trade Lu and resign Schneider i doubt we will save alot of capspace there either cause i bet anything Schneider will make at LEAST 3.5-4 mil which is only a cap savings of 1.3-1.8million, which isn't exactly a lot

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 06:32 PM

It's riskier to rely on Schneider to play 60 games (double what he's ever played before) than Luongo to turn out another 30 win season which we all know he's capable of.

It's riskier to rely on Schneider to somehow go on a magical cup run in the playoffs when he's got a career playoff record of 1 win and has nothing to draw back upon in terms of experience.

It's riskier to even have Lack as our backup in either situation when he's never played an NHL game before.

Canucks should try and keep both goalies, if not trade Schneider for a solid defenceman who can play upwards of 20 minutes and find a backup in the UFA market.


It may be 'riskier' as you call it but there is no saying that Schnieder could do just that. The amount of poise he played with against the Kings was remarkable, he was outstanding. Luongo managed to get us to the Finals once (after nearly blowing the 1st round against the Hawks), couldnt find one more game in himself to give us a chance in the Finals, he couldnt keep us close in game 2 against the Kings, and we know about his previous seasons failings.

So Luongo might get us 30 wins and maybe another Presidents Trophy, but what does that get us?

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 06:44 PM

Problem lies in the fact we cant take back a kings ransom in salary, unless we dump some. I high draft pick is nice, but thats not likely to help us now. Nash is never happening, ever


I wouldn't want Nash. He's overpaid and over rated IMO.

Maybe MG could get CBJ to give up the 2nd overall in a package deal. Howson is on record saying he would trade it for the right offer.

The 2nd overall could be exactly what this team needs. A young game breaker type of player.

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 07:02 PM

A top 10 pick doesn't do it for me, Schenn and the 5th overall doesn't really have me, but Johansen from Columbus is a player I'd trade Schneider for. This draft kinda sucks and Canucks needs is a future big top line centre to replace the Sedins or Kesler some day. I feel pretty good that Weber will be a Canuck soon fixing our #1 D need but I don't feel good about our future top line, Johansen makes that look a lot better. With Lack ready and Cannata not far off this does make Schneider tradable, Luongo still has many years left as a top goaltender so we're pretty set in net.

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 07:03 PM

I wouldn't want Nash. He's overpaid and over rated IMO.

Maybe MG could get CBJ to give up the 2nd overall in a package deal. Howson is on record saying he would trade it for the right offer.

The 2nd overall could be exactly what this team needs. A young game breaker type of player.


Exactly. Imagine Galchenyuk as our second line center. I'd put Kesler on the wing in an instant if Gally was here.....

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 07:08 PM

Canucks should whoever they feel can get them the 2 most needed type of players: a playmaker and top four d-man. It will be either of those that increase our chances of winning the cup now when our windows is still open.

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 07:17 PM

I wonder why we'll get a better return for Schneider. Oh, I remember now, because "Schneider’s youth, pedigree and athletic ability have many general managers absolutely drooling". Am I missing something or do the Canucks not want young and athletic players?

Don't get me wrong, I understand that Luongo can still perform and that Schneider would bring in more return, but you also have to ask yourself what happens if the Canucks DONT win a cup with Luongo in net and in five years we have an old team with no athleticism left?

If Gillis is all about making this team younger, getting rid of the young and WANTED goaltender makes little sense to me. Schneider will not sign with the Canucks if he is not the starter this year. This tells me that he either doesn't sign with the Canucks and then we lose our bartering chip, or we trade Luongo and keep Schneider.

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 07:22 PM

At this point trading Cory makes most sense, but if your looking at the future then trading Luongo makes more sense. The only problem here is the fans and media because we want a cup NOW and not later.

That is why trading Schneider would make more sense because we would get a whole lot more in return. Trade Luongo would still get you a solid return but by trading Cory you get a little bit better return.

For Luongo I would expect Top 4 D, Bottom 6 Forward, prospect, 1st Round Pick (23-30).

For Schneider I would expect Top 6 Forward, Bottom 2 D (Bryan Allen type), Prospect, 1st Round Pick (Top 15), 3rd Round Pick.

If we want a cup within the next 3-4 years, then trading Schneider would give us the best chance at that.


If these were actual options I'd be tempted to trade both of them.




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