Canada-Israel 'solidarity' includes defence partnership

[Heretic]

Heretic why do I have the feeling you wouldn't turn down a meet up with free lunch/coffee and/or tea. And I wouldnt even have to tell you my LSAT score would I?

[Heretic]

thanks mate , here you go scorp , is the answer yes ,

[canucks since 77]

My last post wasn't obvious enough?

No you're just a dick. And still on the broken record LSAT gag? Or was it conspiracies? At least you could try to come up with some new material. Isn't it time you copy and pasted some boring polital article for the 100th time? I would call you stupid but theres no satisfaction doing so from accross the Internet. That's just for cowards who would have their lips tightly sealed in the real world

[Buddhas Hand]

Hey! I posted that in the youtube thread a while ago! Plagiarizer!!!!

[canucks since 77]

Wow... The broken record just doesn't stop. Someone pull the plug

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[Satan's Evil Twin]

Well I'll think twice before posting something about Israel next time.

[morrissex95]

Palestine is not Nazi Germany, and if anyone has hints of it, it is Israel.

[Satan's Evil Twin]

I can't believe someone would accuse me of Antisemitism. Seriously. That hurts.

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[DarthNinja]

Why doesn't he just pull quotes directly from the zionist ministry of foreign affairs? Oh wait...

Perhaps next he will call me anti-semitic as well...even though I am probably more semitic than he is!

[Buddhas Hand]

You're such a loser it's unbelievable. You post your cute little news stories on these boards all the time to try to get reactions out of well informed Canadians who care about the world and want to form friendships with countries that share values with us. The State Of Israel has had one incidence of organized Jewish terrorism. The Irgun blew up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem to get the attention of the United Nations and to scare the British into withdrawing from Mandatory Palestine. I'm not saying it was the right thing to do, but that's what they did.

Meanwhile, Hamas fired 50 Qassam Rockets into Israel this week. You already knew that, you're just trying to dust up under-the-rug anti-semitism on these boards because you're a loser. I notice you mentioned something about "meeting Palestinians who were negatively effected by Israel". Name one incidence where you met this Palestinian. Was it from University? Because if it was, then this Palestinian isn't a citizen of the State of Palestine. You see, in 1948, Israel was a majority Jewish country. But there was still a significant Arab population.

During the 1948 War of Independence, hundreds of thousands of Arabs left for foreign Arab countries because they thought that the armies of the Syria, Iraq, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Kuwait, Sudan, Libya, etc. would be enough to defeat the Jewish state and push us into the sea. At the end of war, Israel did not allow those who left to come back. Even though they would still have a significant Jewish majority, Israel wanted loyalty to western values. The Jewish people never sought to cleanse Palestine of Arabs and Turks. From the beginning of the Zionism, we wanted to dwell in the land of Israel alongside Muslims and Christians. We wanted to join the existing ancient Palestinian Jewish communities.

Here's another thing you've forgotten to note: The Arab Nations of Iraq, Syria and Egypt had sizeable Jewish communities prior to 1948:

The 1956 Sinai War was an attack on Egypt because of an Egyptian attack on a French-British owned company which Nasser decided to nationalize. 175,000 Israeli Troops were asked to participate in the war. You're going to say "Well, that was an attack on Egyptian territory". I don't think you seem to understand Egypt and Israel were in a state of war at the time. Israel knew that they would face stronger Arab armies in the future. They needed to be Battle Ready and they needed allies in Europe. In 1956, Israel wasn't aligned with the United States or the Soviet Union. They chose to be a Western Democracy instead of a Religious Theocracy. That's not something you can say for your Palestinian "friends".

1973 isn't relevant to this because everybody here understands that it was a war launched by Sadat and the Arab World. Israel wasn't the aggressor just like they weren't the aggressors in '67, '56 or '48

So, i'm going to close my post by saying that you can come at me with any argument and I'll give you a reasonable Arab catalyst for that. There has always been a Jewish presence in around the land of Israel. There's nothing losers like you can do about it.

You claim to have knowledge of the Israel-Arab conflict because you took Law '12 or you watch Rachel Maddow on MSNBC. Why don't you stop trying to offend people and start building a reasonable life for yourself rather then making unnerving, offensive comments like the one you made above?

See, I don't think you're capable of that. I really think you made that comment because you think equating the world's only Jewish country with Nazi Germany is funny. I've just presented you with the facts about the Jewish side of the story. You're going to continue to argue with me and you're going to continue to pretend to know what you're talking about. I'm going to pity you because you equate your own personal self worth with coming onto these boards and offending people.

Israel's border is very thin, you know that right? It just so happens that I've been to that part of the world. Have you been there? Obviously not, because if you had then you'd probably take part in some ridiculous protest in the West Bank and climb the West Bank Barrier as a sign of solidarity with Hamas/PFLP/Fatah. Perhaps by travelling to the West Bank you'd see that it is filled with cafes, high-tech stores, culture and the occasional Jewish settlement. One thing you would fail to find is an Israeli soldier or battalion committing any acts that could even come near the pain and suffering that the Nazis inflicted upon the world. I've got some photos of the West Bank barriers and the Palestinians areas(I'll post them here if you'd like ). Unfortunately for idiots like you, there doesn't appear to be any evidence of Apartheid or rogue regime. Perhaps you should travel to the region instead of continuing to be so blindly misinformed.

The Nazis murdered 6 million of my people and millions of others for economic gain and an insane, hateful, racist ideology. I think that your comparison of Israel to Nazi Germany is actually a ruse for some beliefs that you're wrestling with inside. I've seen you on these boards attacking people who disagree with you, calling religion the source of immorality and posting your annoying conspiracy theories on here as much as possible. I've seen the diatribes that you've posted on here and It's obvious to me that you've got some under-the-rug anti-semitism along with some other bazaar tendencies.

I can't believe that I'm on a hockey board wasting 30 minutes of my time showing you our side of the story because you're so unbelievably ignorant. The Jewish people will never forget our 6 million brothers and sisters who were tortured, starved, beaten, raped and murdered by Hitler and Nazi Germany. Losers like you will not be allowed to belittle their death and use it as a prop for your lame conspiracy theories.

Now take a hike you pretentious little punk.

[Satan's Evil Twin]

Why doesn't he just pull quotes directly from the zionist ministry of foreign affairs? Oh wait...

Perhaps next he will call me anti-semitic as well...even though I am probably more semitic than he is!

[key2thecup]

I can't believe that I'm on a hockey board wasting 30 minutes of my time showing you our side of the story because you're so unbelievably ignorant. The Jewish people will never forget our 6 million brothers and sisters who were tortured, starved, beaten, raped and murdered by Hitler and Nazi Germany. Losers like you will not be allowed to belittle their death and use it as a prop for your lame conspiracy theories.

Now take a hike you pretentious little punk.

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Next person to sling an insult will be warned officially and have the thread shut down.....

[Buddhas Hand]

Terrorism and the origins of Israel—Part 1

By Jean Shaoul

21 June 2003

The following is the first of a two-part series. The concluding part will be published June 23.

Last month the National Archives, formerly known as the Public Record Office, released MI5 Security Service files showing that Zionist terror groups planned to set up cells in London and assassinate the post-war Labour government’s British Foreign Secretary Ernest Bevin.

“Present Trends in Palestine”, an MI5 briefing paper written in August 1946, reported on the activities of the Stern Gang. This was the terrorist group that had assassinated Lord Moyne, the British military governor in Egypt in 1944.

“In recent months it has been reported that they [the Stern Gang] have been training selected members for the purpose of proceeding overseas and assassinating a prominent British personality—special reference having been made several times to Mr. Bevin in this connection,” the paper noted.

One of the leading lights of the Stern Group, which had by this time renamed itself Lehi, was Yitzhak Shamir who became prime minister in 1983 and whose tenure in the highest office in Israel was second only to Ben Gurion.

Another paper, “Threatened Jewish Activity in the United Kingdom, Palestine and Elsewhere”, prepared for the Prime Minister Clement Attlee, focused on the activities of the Irgun.

It noted that the Irgun, led by Menachem Begin—later to become prime minister of Israel in 1977—who had a £2,000 price on his head, “was responsible in the past for the liquidation of members of the police and the military whose activities have been judged especially worthy of Jewish resentment in Palestine.”

The paper was written in the aftermath of a terrorist bombing by the Irgun that had in the previous month blown up the British headquarters in the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, killing 91 people—Britons, Arabs and Jews—and injured many more.

It said, “Our Jerusalem representative has since received information that the Irgun and Stern Group have decided to send 5 ‘cells’ to London to work along IRA [irish Republican Army] lines. To use their own words, the terrorists intend ‘to beat the dog in his own kennel’. If the 18 Sternists are executed [for their part in the King David bombing] the Irgun have agreed to co-operate with the Stern Group.”

The intelligence forces believed that if the executions were carried out, there would be at least 100 retaliatory terrorist outrages and “indiscriminate shooting of British officers and soldiers on the streets of Palestine must be expected”. The files showed that the sentences were in fact reduced to life imprisonment.

A briefing note prepared for a meeting between the prime minister and the head of MI5, Peter Sillitoe, also listed precautionary measures to be taken to combat terrorism. Police would monitor Jewish groups in Britain and spy on “Jews known to have expressed sympathy with terrorist activity in Palestine, and who might be a point of contact for any terrorist arriving in this country. All applications for UK visas in the Middle East are scrutinised by local security authorities. Immigration officers at UK ports report to Home Office, Special Branch and MI5 the particulars of all Jews, including seamen, arriving from the Middle East.”

The fact that MI5 claimed it was keeping a close watch “through its own sources” on UK Zionist groups with sympathy for the terrorists suggests that they had informers working for them inside. Given the British propensity to use such groups for its own purposes to divide and rule, it is not beyond the bounds of possibility that MI5 had agents provocateurs working within them.

While it has long been known that these Zionist groups carried out or planned to carry out assassinations, bombings and sabotage against British targets, these papers—released so long after the normal 30-year rule—are important for a number of reasons.

Firstly, the papers provide a timely reminder that the Zionists of all political colours used terrorist methods to achieve statehood—something that present-day Zionists seem to have forgotten when they talk about refusing to negotiate with the Palestinians whom they routinely refer to as “terrorists”.

It is not simply that Ariel Sharon and company are a bunch of hypocrites or political amnesiacs about the past. More importantly, the Irgun, led by Menahem Begin, the Stern Group and Lehi, its successor, went on to form the Herut party, forerunner of the Likud party, and the ultra right-wing Moledet party, which form the main coalition partners of the Sharon’s government. The gang of former generals, ultra-nationalists and religious bigots that run Israel today are the political heirs of terrorists who furthermore had close connections with the fascists. In this, they mirrored some of the Arab nationalists in Palestine, Egypt and Iraq who allied themselves with Germany in order to rid themselves of British imperialism. These alliances led to a virtual civil war between the various wings of the Zionist movement during World War II.

The political origins of the Zionist terrorist groups

The various Zionist terrorist groups emerged out of the far right wing of the Revisionist Zionist movement, an ultra-nationalist Zionist group. While all the Zionist groups sought to stifle the rising tide of class struggle in Palestine in the name of national unity, the Revisionists openly stated at the very beginning of the Palestinian-Zionist conflict, in opposition to the mainstream political Zionist movement, that the establishment of a Zionist state in Palestine was impossible without violence and the forcible transfer of the indigenous population. The Zionist state could only be established “in blood and fire”. They opposed the division of Palestine in 1922 whereby Britain had ceded what is now Jordan to its client, the Hashemite emir Abdullah, as a reward for his support during World War I. While the Labour Zionists orientated towards the Western democracies, the Revisionists’ political ideology had more in common with the fascist dictators of Europe.

By the late 1930s, the British, who ruled Palestine under a League of Nations mandate, began to reverse their previous and somewhat vague support for the establishment for “a homeland for the Jews” in Palestine. Menachem Begin, a leading member of the Betar, a far right Revisionist group, regarded military action against the British as both inevitable and necessary to secure a Jewish state in Palestine and the East Bank of the Jordan.

As the situation in Eastern Europe grew ever more desperate for the Jews, and the British sought to limit Jewish immigration to Palestine in an effort to gain support from the Arabs in the coming war against Germany, Betar joined forces with the Irgun—the National Military Organisation, the Revisionists’ military wing. With no prospect of a Jewish state in sight, they argued that armed struggle against the British was the only way forward.

The Stern Group

In 1939, when war broke out between Britain and Germany, Avraham Stern, one of the leaders of the Irgun, who had studied in Italy and was an admirer of Mussolini, rejected any support for the British against Germany. He argued that the British were the main enemy. There was no difference between the Nazi-fascist states and the Western democracies, between communists and social democrats, between Hitler and Chamberlain, or between Dachau and Buchenwald and closing Palestine off to the Jews. When he failed to persuade the majority of the Irgun to support him, he broke with the Revisionist movement and his faction became known as the Stern Group.

While both the mainstream Zionists and the Revisionists supported the British against Germany and joined the British armed forces, the Stern Group opposed conscription of the Jews and went on to carry out armed robberies, murders, and terrorist attacks against both the British and the Arabs. It waged a campaign of terror aimed at driving out the British and establishing a Jewish state on the entire land of biblical Palestine, including Transjordan. With the Jews a minority in Palestine, such a state would necessarily mean expelling the Arab population to ensure its Jewish character.

In his support for the enemy of the British, Stern turned a blind eye to the anti-Semitism of the Nazis. The Stern Group’s policies and actions were opposed and condemned by the overwhelming majority of Jews in Palestine.

In return for help from first the Italians and later the Germans in driving the British out of Palestine, Stern promised that the new Jewish state would become a German client state while Jerusalem, with the exception of the Jewish holy places, would become a province of the Vatican. In other words, the establishment of a Jewish state took precedence over the safety of European Jewry. His group had meetings with the Nazi regime’s representatives and tried to recruit 40,000 Jews from occupied Europe to invade Palestine and defeat the British. But the Germans had no more wish to alienate the Arabs and lose the chance of gaining access to the region’s oil resources than the British and dismissed the offer.

The British shot and killed Stern in February 1942 and imprisoned his immediate coterie, including Yitzhak Shamir, the future prime minister.

The Lehi

As the war drew to a close, Stern’s followers, including Shamir on his release from jail, regrouped as the Lehi with similar aims, including Stern’s “Eighteen Principles of National Renewal” that proclaimed a Jewish state from the Nile to the Euphrates. They adopted the methods of the IRA in its struggles against the British. Shamir even used Michael as his nom de guerre, after Michael Collins. The now embarrassing Nazi-fascist affiliation was dropped in favour of Britain’s latest enemy, the Soviet Union, although some advocated an alliance with the Arab national liberation movements that opposed the stooge regimes imposed by British imperialism.

Lehi denounced the Labour Zionists and the mainstream Revisionist movement for relying upon negotiations with the British. As far as Lehi was concerned, the British were the Gestapo and the Labour Zionists were akin to Vichy Europe, and Lehi were the resistance. Asked if it was possible to achieve national liberation through terrorism, Lehi’s response was, “The answer is no! If the question is, are terrorist activities useful for the progress of revolution and liberation, the answer is yes.”

Lehi’s most notorious action was the assassination of Lord Moyne, the British military commander in Egypt in 1944.

According to Shindler, a fellow in Israeli Studies at the School of Oriental and African Studies, University of London, and author of The Land Beyond Promise: Israel, Likud and the Zionist Dream, Lehi copied the methods of the IRA. Between September 1942 and July 1946, when Shamir was arrested and exiled to Eritrea, there were seven assassination attempts on the life of the British High Commissioner in Palestine and several more were planned, including Ernest Bevin, the British foreign secretary and members of British intelligence forces. It was Shamir who planned the assassination of Lord Moyne. Lehi also carried out 14 assassination attempts against Jews who worked or were believed to work for British intelligence. It was not averse to killing its own members if the need arose.

While Lehi was by far the smallest of the Zionist terrorist groups, the Stern/Lehi group carried out 71 percent of all political assassinations between 1940 and 1948. Nearly half of these were against fellow Jews.

Even after the establishment of the Zionist state, Lehi continued its murderous activities. Hazit Ha’Moledet, the Fatherland Front, a Lehi splinter group that later formed the Moledet party, carried out the assassination of Count Folke Bernadotte, a UN envoy seeking to arrange a peace agreement between Israel and the Arabs

[morrissex95]

You've all completely ignored actions that the Hamas Government has committed against fellow Palestinians. You've all completely ignored actions that the Syrian Government has committed against fellow Syrians. You've all completely ignored actions that Egyptians commit against fellow Egyptians, Iranians against fellows Iranians, Tunisians against Tunisians, Sudanese against Sudanese.

You've all completely ignored the plight of 1,000,000 Arab Jews who were not compensated for their land. Don't you dare say "Israel didn't compensate Palestinians for their land" because a majority of Palestinians who elected to leave did receive compensation for their property. Those who didn't receive compensation were punished for defecting to the dictatorships of Egypt, Syria, Lebanon and Jordan while waiting for the demise of Israel.

And at least 13 million civilians of my people perished under Hitler's extermination of Slavic people. Yes, I find it funny to make Hitler jokes.

[morrissex95]

The small Gaza Strip was left under Egyptian control, and the West Bank was controled by Jordan.

[morrissex95]

After 1967 war, several guerrilla organizations within the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) carried out guerrillas attacks on Israeli miletary targets, with the stated objective of "redeeming Palestine."

[Satan's Evil Twin]

Sources? All I see above is a link to Wikipedia. I would be quite interested in reading your sources, however.

[morrissex95]

According to a book by a psychoanalyst, Walter Langer, called The Mind of Hitler, not only was Hitler supported by the Rothschild's, he WAS a Rothschild.