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#1 jonnycanuck46

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 11:17 PM

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Most would have said at the end of the 2011-2012 Canucks playoff exit that the possibility of Roberto Luongo returning to the team come the fall would not even be plausible.

However, Mike Gillis' asking price may make what was once impossible, possible.

Assuming the loot Gillis is attempting to pry out of the opposition is not agreed upon and the dollar sign is not lowered prior to training camp, Roberto Luongo may (ironically) be forced to wear the jersey he himself never envisioned wearing again.

A Luongo return would most likely mean a season split between Cory Schneider and Roberto Luongo despite the fact that Schneider is anticipating a full regular season. While Schneider is being tagged as the new "starter", lets not overlook that Luongo has never been considered an "underdog" by the media, team, or Vancouver's lethal fanbase.

This mammoth pressure shift from the shoulders of Luongo to those of Cory Schneider may lead Roberto to play some of his best hockey in years. As we all know too well, when Roberto is having fun, his numbers reflect it.

The real question then becomes, does Roberto regain his elite status, or can Cory Schneider handle the full load without being overwhelmed? Time will tell. But be warned, Vancouver. Cory has never had this amount of pressure, thus his numbers may be eerily similar to those of a backup goalie when the dust has settled.

The question will be, IF LUONGO returns as a Canuck, and dominates as a backup, will the city of Vancouver (and Alain Vigneault) fall in love with him again?

Besides, what's not to love? ;)

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 11:20 PM

There will always be haters.
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Posted 13 July 2012 - 11:20 PM

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Love him or hate him, best goalie Canucks has had thus far in our history.

Edited by KeslersPlayoffBeard, 13 July 2012 - 11:21 PM.

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 11:21 PM

I was gonna make this a pie thread, but I decided to not bother.

So my favorite is apple...

Edited by Ti'gol Bitties, 13 July 2012 - 11:21 PM.

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 11:23 PM

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I'm sure Luongo and Schneider both hate this idea.... :picard:
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Posted 13 July 2012 - 11:25 PM

I was gonna make this a pie thread, but I decided to not bother.

So my favorite is apple...


Luongo, is that you?

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 11:28 PM

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I honestly still believe that if Luongo isn't traded this off-season, he will win back his starting job.

Cory Schneider is a nobody in the NHL - he has played 56 games and has never felt the weightload of a full-time starter job in the NHL. The AHL and NHL are not comparable whatsoever so don't even bother going there, this is a whole new ball game and no one has any idea how the kid will fare. The jump from backup to full-time starter is a big one, and we'll see how he handles not only the pressure but the mental and physical fatigue - something he has never had to face at this level before. Playing a few spot starts here and there, Schneider never had to worry about fatigue until the one time last season when he played 7 games in a row (after Luongo was injured) and his level of play noticeably dropped (I think he let in 3 goals on 7 shots or something against an anemic Nashville offence).

It's almost impossible for Schneider to play 60-70 games at such a high level anyway - the kid will falter and when he does eventually show signs of fatigue later in the season around February, that's when I can see Luongo stepping in, grabbing onto the reins and carrying the Canucks into the playoffs. He will be much more rested as well with a shortened season, and will not be as fatigued during the playoffs as some of the other netminders.

Just remember, only 3 goalies in the past 11 or 12 years have won a Cup after playing more than 60 games - Brodeur, Fleury and now Quick, but even Quick showed signs of fatigue in that Devils series by letting in some terrible goals. If it wasn't for the dominant defence and offence in front of him he may not have won the Cup after all. We must stick to this mentality and not rely on 1 starter, but make sure than whichever goalie we go into the playoffs with has played well under 60 games.
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Posted 13 July 2012 - 11:29 PM

Excellent post. Great point of view. I myself see this exact scenario playing out, what more could management want ? An elite veteran vs the new prodigy. I cannot wait for the wins to pile up. That is if the players and owners can remove their heads from their buts and avoid a strike ?
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Posted 13 July 2012 - 11:33 PM

I wouldn't mind having an elite goalie in net for 82 games, plus the playoffs...
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Posted 13 July 2012 - 11:34 PM

While I don't dis agree with u that Lou could win back his job,, his time here is done. I don't get all why everyone can't jus accept this and be grateful we have a better, younger goalie with less mental problems waitingto be our starter.. Lou Is the best goalie in franchise history but his time here is over, he will be traded and Cory will make u all forget about Lou ... As sad as that may seem its pretty obv that whats gunna happen.. Lou can't come back and be second fiddle, that will only cause problems.. Really jus want mg to get the trade done. I'd take one of howden or , bjugsted and theadore and move on..
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Posted 13 July 2012 - 11:34 PM

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Luongo, is that you?

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 11:42 PM

Lou has already stated publicly that he has decided that it is time to move on. If he is not traded by the start of the season, he will assume the backup role and hopefully play outstanding so that his trade value rises. I highly doubt that Luo will win the starters job again....he is done here as a #1 goalie

The six things that I hope for when he is traded are:
1/ The word 'haters' is totally banned from this board.
2/ Schneider lives up to the expectations (and I think he will)
3/ Lack is a good backup.
4/ Luo is happy being traded to a destination of choice
5/ MG trades Luongo for fair value and gets some key pieces to make the Canucks a better club....especially one that can score in the playoffs.
6/ That this matter is finally put to rest and CDC accepts that Schneider is the guy.

Edited by bluesman60, 13 July 2012 - 11:46 PM.

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 11:53 PM

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Tim Thomas did it when Rask took the starting job from him, why not a similar scenario here? I have no problem with Lu coming back and competing to win the job back.
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Posted 13 July 2012 - 11:54 PM

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I honestly still believe that if Luongo isn't traded this off-season, he will win back his starting job.

Cory Schneider is a nobody in the NHL - he has played 56 games and has never felt the weightload of a full-time starter job in the NHL. The AHL and NHL are not comparable whatsoever so don't even bother going there, this is a whole new ball game and no one has any idea how the kid will fare. The jump from backup to full-time starter is a big one, and we'll see how he handles not only the pressure but the mental and physical fatigue - something he has never had to face at this level before. Playing a few spot starts here and there, Schneider never had to worry about fatigue until the one time last season when he played 7 games in a row (after Luongo was injured) and his level of play noticeably dropped (I think he let in 3 goals on 7 shots or something against an anemic Nashville offence).

It's almost impossible for Schneider to play 60-70 games at such a high level anyway - the kid will falter and when he does eventually show signs of fatigue later in the season around February, that's when I can see Luongo stepping in, grabbing onto the reins and carrying the Canucks into the playoffs. He will be much more rested as well with a shortened season, and will not be as fatigued during the playoffs as some of the other netminders.

Just remember, only 3 goalies in the past 11 or 12 years have won a Cup after playing more than 60 games - Brodeur, Fleury and now Quick, but even Quick showed signs of fatigue in that Devils series by letting in some terrible goals. If it wasn't for the dominant defence and offence in front of him he may not have won the Cup after all. We must stick to this mentality and not rely on 1 starter, but make sure than whichever goalie we go into the playoffs with has played well under 60 games.

That fact that you say it's almost impossible for Schneider to play 60-70 games at a high level and you think he will falter only shows your blind hate for him and obvious favoritism for Luongo.

We don't even have to play Schneider for that many games anyway, even with Luongo gone. I'm sure Gillis is looking at a lot of options for veteran backup goaltenders and it won't matter if the backup doesn't win us as many games as Luongo did in the regular season anyways. Schneider is younger, cheaper, and more polished in all aspects of his game than Luongo is. Schneider is just about to hit his prime and I'd rather have a guy who can stay at the top for somewhere around 10 years while Luongo may only have 5 years left in him, who knows.

I just can't picture Luongo coming back with us after Schneider took over in the most important games and basically said he's done as a Canuck. I wish him the best and I hope he does well with a fresh new start somewhere else.

Edited by ButterBean, 13 July 2012 - 11:56 PM.

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 11:55 PM

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I honestly still believe that if Luongo isn't traded this off-season, he will win back his starting job.

Cory Schneider is a nobody in the NHL - he has played 56 games and has never felt the weightload of a full-time starter job in the NHL. The AHL and NHL are not comparable whatsoever so don't even bother going there, this is a whole new ball game and no one has any idea how the kid will fare. The jump from backup to full-time starter is a big one, and we'll see how he handles not only the pressure but the mental and physical fatigue - something he has never had to face at this level before. Playing a few spot starts here and there, Schneider never had to worry about fatigue until the one time last season when he played 7 games in a row (after Luongo was injured) and his level of play noticeably dropped (I think he let in 3 goals on 7 shots or something against an anemic Nashville offence).

It's almost impossible for Schneider to play 60-70 games at such a high level anyway - the kid will falter and when he does eventually show signs of fatigue later in the season around February, that's when I can see Luongo stepping in, grabbing onto the reins and carrying the Canucks into the playoffs. He will be much more rested as well with a shortened season, and will not be as fatigued during the playoffs as some of the other netminders.

Just remember, only 3 goalies in the past 11 or 12 years have won a Cup after playing more than 60 games - Brodeur, Fleury and now Quick, but even Quick showed signs of fatigue in that Devils series by letting in some terrible goals. If it wasn't for the dominant defence and offence in front of him he may not have won the Cup after all. We must stick to this mentality and not rely on 1 starter, but make sure than whichever goalie we go into the playoffs with has played well under 60 games.

speculative and without thought, knowledge or understanding of the goaltending position...typical of your age sic
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Posted 14 July 2012 - 12:20 AM

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What part of "both sides mutually agree its time to move on" do you not understand?

Luongo wants out, Cory is the starter, lets move on.
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Posted 14 July 2012 - 12:26 AM

him wanting out and a deal actually getting done are 2 different things
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Posted 14 July 2012 - 12:30 AM

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I don't know why people are getting mad at the OP when the key word is IF Luongo were to come back and a deal could not be done in the off season.

It is a very plausible scenario I mean look at what happened with Boston after Thomas was taken over by Rask, he came back and led them to the cup.
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Posted 14 July 2012 - 12:32 AM

Most would have said at the end of the 2011-2012 Canucks playoff exit that the possibility of Roberto Luongo returning to the team come the fall would not even be plausible.

However, Mike Gillis' asking price may make what was once impossible, possible.

Assuming the loot Gillis is attempting to pry out of the opposition is not agreed upon and the dollar sign is not lowered prior to training camp, Roberto Luongo may (ironically) be forced to wear the jersey he himself never envisioned wearing again.

A Luongo return would most likely mean a season split between Cory Schneider and Roberto Luongo despite the fact that Schneider is anticipating a full regular season. While Schneider is being tagged as the new "starter", lets not overlook that Luongo has never been considered an "underdog" by the media, team, or Vancouver's lethal fanbase.

This mammoth pressure shift from the shoulders of Luongo to those of Cory Schneider may lead Roberto to play some of his best hockey in years. As we all know too well, when Roberto is having fun, his numbers reflect it.

The real question then becomes, does Roberto regain his elite status, or can Cory Schneider handle the full load without being overwhelmed? Time will tell. But be warned, Vancouver. Cory has never had this amount of pressure, thus his numbers may be eerily similar to those of a backup goalie when the dust has settled.

The question will be, IF LUONGO returns as a Canuck, and dominates as a backup, will the city of Vancouver (and Alain Vigneault) fall in love with him again?

Besides, what's not to love? ;)

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OMG....let it go man, your girlfriend dumped you move on....

Here's some inside scoop, Luongo's getting traded.
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Posted 14 July 2012 - 12:32 AM

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I don't know why people are getting mad at the OP when the key word is IF Luongo were to come back and a deal could not be done in the off season.

It is a very plausible scenario I mean look at what happened with Boston after Thomas was taken over by Rask, he came back and led them to the cup.


it's just the Lu-haters who want him gone and think Schneider is going to come in and have a 1.00 GAA over a full season
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Posted 14 July 2012 - 12:38 AM

The question will be, IF LUONGO returns as a Canuck, and dominates as a backup, will the city of Vancouver (and Alain Vigneault) fall in love with him again?


How could he return if he hasn't left yet? But that led me to a thought that I can only blame on my 16 hour workday today (with frequent CDC breaks)...

Imagine that Luongo gets traded to Florida, in the new CBA Florida and Phoenix are eliminated so Bettman can have 4 equal divisions of 7 teams, and then the Canucks get Luongo back in the dispersal draft.

:frantic: :lol:
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Posted 14 July 2012 - 12:44 AM

speculative and without thought, knowledge or understanding of the goaltending position...typical of your age sic


Almost entirely "speculative and without thought, knowledge or understanding" of the post quoted... "typical of your" character, from what I've seen.

BTW, it is possible to disagree with a bit more substance than a simple opinion and ad-hominem medley.

Or you can keep doing your cause more harm than good.

Your choice.
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Posted 14 July 2012 - 12:50 AM

No matter what Luongo will have to be playing his best, especially if he does want to move, he has to perform to a level that he is getting paid for, so a team will even consider wanting to still make a trade for him, especially if it's a team for a playoff run. If he plays like he doesn't care no team will want to trade for him, and he will be stuck here even if he doesn't want to still be here. Overall if he does stay here I will be expecting his best performances every chance he has in net, and that may make a lot of people reconsider.
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Posted 14 July 2012 - 01:00 AM

That would be the best possible scenario!
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Posted 14 July 2012 - 01:10 AM

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 01:35 AM

2/ Schneider lives up to the expectations (and I think he will)


As long as those expectations are well-managed and within reason.
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Posted 14 July 2012 - 01:43 AM

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OMG....let it go man, your girlfriend dumped you move on....

Here's some inside scoop, Luongo's getting traded.


He said IF you dipsh*t.

I am so sick of complete a**holes like you!
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Posted 14 July 2012 - 02:10 AM

I am so sick of complete a**holes


Yeah same
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Posted 14 July 2012 - 03:05 AM

Yeah same


sad part is he'll probably be the one getting the warning
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Posted 14 July 2012 - 03:11 AM

Excellent post. Great point of view. I myself see this exact scenario playing out, what more could management want ? An elite veteran vs the new prodigy. I cannot wait for the wins to pile up. That is if the players and owners can remove their heads from their buts and avoid a strike ?


They could want to not have over nine million of cap space tied up in two goalies - one of whom will be a backup. Knowing the way Luo always starts his seasons, he may never get the chance to get on a run - the team not being able to afford another slovenly start in net with Kesler out and scoring down.
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