JLumme Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 I cant believe some of you are going to try to politicize this. Narcissism rears its ugly head. Lets stay with the actual event and leave the spin out of it . This is a terrible day for everyone and our thoughts should be with the victims Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonLever Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 I wish something like this would act as a watershed moment for Americans. This is the time to discuss gun control. The sad thing is the next shooting will be another missed opportunity and the one after that as well. The right to own weapons is firmly entrenched in the American constitution but so was slavery at one point. Gun related violence is much higher in the USA than compared with countries who have guns...this is common sense. Sure there may be other factors that cause gun related violence to be more frequent (e.g. culture, drug trade, etc.) but access to weapons is surely a big factor. If I was one of the victims of this terribly tragedy I would be sickened by some of the more vocal American's point of view. That even MORE guns would make things safer. That people kill people not guns. Someone I read likened it to someone making a grammatical error with a pencil. It wasn't the pencil's fault it was the person's. This was the highest rated comment on the news report. This issue doesn't get enough attention frankly and neither does the militarization of the police. I don't know what it will take for things to change. President's have been assassinated, high school children killed, etc. It doesn't seem to matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Common sense Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 "The calls not to politicize the tragedy should be starting in an hour, but by 1:30 p.m. tomorrow the issue will have been politicized. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if the shooter's high school classmate is interviewed within 45 minutes." http://www.theonion....hootings,28857/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don't.Mess.With.Kes<3 Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 Wow has anyone seen footage of him at that trial? Looks drugged out of his mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrels.Gone.Wild Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 Wow has anyone seen footage of him at that trial? Looks drugged out of his mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dittohead Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 "The calls not to politicize the tragedy should be starting in an hour, but by 1:30 p.m. tomorrow the issue will have been politicized. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if the shooter's high school classmate is interviewed within 45 minutes." http://www.theonion....hootings,28857/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don't.Mess.With.Kes<3 Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 On CNN they said he was flipping out and spitting at officers. I wonder if they gave him a sedative before court so he wouldn't cause a scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonLever Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 Wow has anyone seen footage of him at that trial? Looks drugged out of his mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jägermeister Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 Alex Jones said it was all a conspiracy, that the killer was drugged or programmed to kill. Now I am sure he will say this is proof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzi Babe Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 Please, let's not even get that started again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddhas Hand Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 According to post 376 by Rationcinator on last page, USA is number 4. South Africa 31,918 Columbia 21,898 Thailand 20,032 USA 9369 Common misconception is the USA is the worse in the world. South Africa is 3x worse. Guns by itself cannot kill people, It is an inamimate object. Someone has to pull the trigger. If you want to stop killings by guns, ban guns and confisgate them. Gun control will not work as long as there are guns in the USA. Most estimates say there are more than 300 million guns in the USA. In China, there are no gun shops and gun ownership is illegal. China has zero deaths by guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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taxi Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 According to post 376 by Rationcinator on last page, USA is number 4. South Africa 31,918 Columbia 21,898 Thailand 20,032 USA 9369 Common misconception is the USA is the worse in the world. South Africa is 3x worse. Guns by itself cannot kill people, It is an inamimate object. Someone has to pull the trigger. If you want to stop killings by guns, ban guns and confisgate them. Gun control will not work as long as there are guns in the USA. Most estimates say there are more than 300 million guns in the USA. In China, there are no gun shops and gun ownership is illegal. China has zero deaths by guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dank. Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Looks to be under the influence in court Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Looks to be under the influence in court Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklax Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 why does either side of the argument think this is a key moment for their argument!? This does NOTHING for either side simply because of some major factors... 1) this has been planned for months, making more strict gun laws wouldn't have change anything except the weapon of choice. 2) the gunman's apartment was filled with other explosives... you think this guy would have changed his mind based on his ability to purchase a gun.. or several guns? 3) more guns (conceal-carry) wouldn't have stopped this guy either since nobody really knows if ANYONE in the theater could even fire a gun at a living person when needed... never mind the body armor. 4) more guns would have easily made the situation worse by allowing a few more people to start thinking they were Wyatt Earp and suddenly you have more than 1 person shooting in a dark theater with smoke... who says they shoot the correct person? No matter what your view of this, more guns or less guns wouldn't have stopped this from happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddhas Hand Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 International Gun Laws Show Firearm Availability is Related to Deaths Kari Livingston, Yahoo! Contributor Network Apr 27, 2007 Close "Guns don't kill people. People kill people," has long been a popular saying with gun rights advocates. The powerful National Rifle Association has lobbied hard against any restriction on the ownership of any gun, including handguns and semi and fully automatic weapons. The NRA and the pro-gun lobby maintain that restricting access to handguns and doing away with concealed weapons do not have a positive effect on gun deaths. Because of the continuing efforts of the NRA, the U.S. has some of the most liberal gun laws in the world. It is easier to purchase a gun in the United States than in any other industrialized nation. If lenient gun laws actually reduce gun violence as the NRA claims, the U.S. should have the lowest rate of gun violence. However, a look at the numbers from other industrialized countries does not show this to be the case. After the massacre of 16 schoolchildren in Dunblane, Scotland, the United Kingdom restricted access to guns. In the U.K. all gun owners must be licensed and all guns must be registered. Handguns are prohibited for civilians. The law makes no exceptions. Overall, four percent of households keep firearms. There are only 0.4 intentional gun deaths per 100,000 people. In Japan, where the laws are similar, the numbers are even lower. Firearms are present in only 0.6% of homes in Japan and the intentional gun death rate is 0.07% per 100,000 people. In Canada, where guns laws are somewhat looser, some hand guns are available, but assault weapons are banned, 26% of homes have guns present. Almost four people per 100,000 are killed in intentional gun violence each year. Switzerland requires registration of guns and licensing of gun owners, but places no restriction on the types of guns owned. Gun deaths are 6.2 per 100,000 people and 27.2% of homes have weapons. In the United States, where gun registration, licensing requirements and gun availability vary from state to state, 41% of homes keep firearms and a staggering 13.47 people per 100,000 are killed in intentional gun violence. The number of intentional gun deaths per 100,000 people in the United States is more than double of that of Norway, which has a per 100,000 death rate 6.65, the highest rate next to the United States. The statistics show a clear correlation between gun availability and gun violence. What is less clear is what should be done with the increasing amount of data that proves access to guns takes thousands of lives and costs the taxpayer millions of dollars as court cases move through the judicial system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLumme Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Just so sad. He wasn't mentally ill...I just hope the families get some sort of answer out of him and some sort of explanation to how he suddenly just snapped Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electro Rock Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 I think this clown had assistance of some kind, for a comic book nerd to plan out an operation like that by himself is a little hard to believe. The timing itself is fishy too, against a backdrop of further political fishiness where project Gunrunner/Fast and Furious is concerned. Where did he as a student get the money to buy a reported $10000 worth if gear in two months from? Unless his parents were rich that's a lot of money for a 24 year old student to swing in a few months time. The suspect only bought his guns 2 months before, was not experienced with guns, and may have never even fired one before the shooting. I also think this was supposed to be a suicide by cop but he chickened out when the moment came. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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