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#31 Smashian Kassian

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Posted 17 August 2012 - 03:17 PM

Raymond yes, but Higgins is a great role player and only has 1 year left (he also was amazing in our long playoff run).

I would trade 5 1st Round Picks, if it meant that we would win a cup. Maybe he could be the missing piece.


No hes a little overrated in this market, & if trading him means getting Stafford I would do it anyday.

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Posted 17 August 2012 - 03:26 PM

No hes a little overrated in this market, & if trading him means getting Stafford I would do it anyday.


He might be a little overrated, but you can't deny that he has contributed at key times.
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Posted 17 August 2012 - 03:30 PM

He might be a little overrated, but you can't deny that he has contributed at key times.


Yeah he does for sure, I like him but if trading him means getting Stafford without giving up much in the future (prospects and 1sts) I'm all for it.

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Posted 17 August 2012 - 03:37 PM

Yeah he does for sure, I like him but if trading him means getting Stafford without giving up much in the future (prospects and 1sts) I'm all for it.


If our window to win a cup is now, then I would rather give up a couple of pieces of the future like a B prospect and a low 1st Rounder.
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Posted 17 August 2012 - 03:38 PM

Buffalo wins this deal, Florida comes second, we lose... what about this (more evened out):

Canucks;
Drew Stafford
FLA 2nd Rounder

Sabres:
Kris Versteeg
Bill Sweatt

Panthers:
Roberto Luongo

That is a bit more even, but I do like your idea in the OP ;)


Close but buffalo needs a little more to part ways with Stafford, maybe a pick or useless prospect.

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Posted 17 August 2012 - 03:56 PM

If our window to win a cup is now, then I would rather give up a couple of pieces of the future like a B prospect and a low 1st Rounder.


We are going to have a log jam of wingers so we would have to trade one anyways and we are trading Higgins to get an upgrade so why wouldn't we do it?

And I would rather not end up like Calgary.

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Posted 17 August 2012 - 04:10 PM

We are going to have a log jam of wingers so we would have to trade one anyways and we are trading Higgins to get an upgrade so why wouldn't we do it?

And I would rather not end up like Calgary.


I agree that we would have a log jam of wingers, but I would rather part with Raymond than Higgins.
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Posted 17 August 2012 - 08:27 PM

Booth and Stafford are pretty different from each other. Booth is a Power Forward who drives to the net and crashes the net. Stafford is more of a sniper who can be capable of making plays and can also score.

The thing is that Kesler will be out of the line up for the first two months and that is when we will need a guy like Stafford, Stafford can also be put up on the Sedin line too.

Actually Stafford is a bit different than Booth, he's a big guy but he has more grit and toughness, not as fast and he is a good two way player, and he can score 25-30 consistently.

The only issue is the price, Buffalo probably wants to hold onto him more now, so it would be a bit more but along as we dont give up too many important pieces I wouldn't mind doing it.

I'm not saying they're exactly the same, but is Stafford significantly different enough in style of play to make it worthwhile dealing for him when we have Booth on the other wing and Kesler in the center already shooting plenty for everyone? Is Stafford significantly different in style to be a better fit from anyone else we can play there, like Higgins or Kassian? Would he be worth the difference in cap hit we'd take on and the assets we'd lose to get him?

That's my take on it, not that I don't like Stafford, just that we're moving for similar players without regard for line chemistry. If we were still running with the helicopter line of Raymond and Samuelsson, I could see wanting to upgrade there for sure.

As far as the Fla/Tor deal, I don't see why Florida would want Lombardi. They aren't going to get a lot back for Theodore and they'd need to line up a replacement if the first deal doesn't happen at the same time, but they have centers and left wingers better than him. If anything, they'd want a right winger to replace Versteeg going by the first deal.

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Posted 17 August 2012 - 09:54 PM

I'm not saying they're exactly the same, but is Stafford significantly different enough in style of play to make it worthwhile dealing for him when we have Booth on the other wing and Kesler in the center already shooting plenty for everyone? Is Stafford significantly different in style to be a better fit from anyone else we can play there, like Higgins or Kassian? Would he be worth the difference in cap hit we'd take on and the assets we'd lose to get him?

That's my take on it, not that I don't like Stafford, just that we're moving for similar players without regard for line chemistry. If we were still running with the helicopter line of Raymond and Samuelsson, I could see wanting to upgrade there for sure.

As far as the Fla/Tor deal, I don't see why Florida would want Lombardi. They aren't going to get a lot back for Theodore and they'd need to line up a replacement if the first deal doesn't happen at the same time, but they have centers and left wingers better than him. If anything, they'd want a right winger to replace Versteeg going by the first deal.


He's not that similar to Booth, he's probably more similar to Doan than Booth (not that they are alot similar)

I think it would be worth while if we don't get Doan or anyone from FLA.

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 03:03 PM

He's not that similar to Booth, he's probably more similar to Doan than Booth (not that they are alot similar)

I think it would be worth while if we don't get Doan or anyone from FLA.


I wouldn't say that Stafford is more like Doan. He is not really a Power Forward, but he is more of a two-way player that has a great snipe shot and can make plays.
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Posted 18 August 2012 - 03:56 PM

I wouldn't say that Stafford is more like Doan. He is not really a Power Forward, but he is more of a two-way player that has a great snipe shot and can make plays.


I'm saying he is more like Doan than Booth, he's a two way forward but his skillset is more comparable to Doan than Booth.

He's slower than Booth (like Doan), He's more gritty than Booth (like Doan), More defensive like Doan, and then offensively could be either cause has a good shot like you said.

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 05:27 PM

I'm saying he is more like Doan than Booth, he's a two way forward but his skillset is more comparable to Doan than Booth.

He's slower than Booth (like Doan), He's more gritty than Booth (like Doan), More defensive like Doan, and then offensively could be either cause has a good shot like you said.


Oh, alright well then yes I would agree with you.
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Posted 20 August 2012 - 11:28 AM

thats alot to give up for a guy who had 20 goals last season. if he had another 30 goal year like he did 2 seasons ago, id consider it.

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 01:05 PM

thats alot to give up for a guy who had 20 goals last season. if he had another 30 goal year like he did 2 seasons ago, id consider it.


Yeah but last year was a complete and utter fail of a season for the Buffalo Sabres. He still managed to put up 50 points though, which is not bad for the way the Sabres played last year.
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Posted 22 August 2012 - 06:06 PM

Raymond yes, but Higgins is a great role player and only has 1 year left (he also was amazing in our long playoff run).

I would trade 5 1st Round Picks, if it meant that we would win a cup. Maybe he could be the missing piece.

5 picks give us Crosby or Ovechkin Pittsburgh and Washington that would really get us a stanley cup wouldn't it.

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 10:01 PM

Stafford would mean instant cup because he is another underrated top6 foward.

Get it done pleasseeeeeee MG



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