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Posted 14 October 2012 - 02:23 PM

To address and explain the image that was removed.

First of all - to "compare" a young girl's very recent death to anything in a meme that sheds a negative light on her is inappropriate. Let the young girl rest in peace and focus on condolences, as a young girl has died (please) and your timing is WAY off. There is a time/place for meme's, but this is not it.
(Also, the language was inappropriate for this site)

With that and on a personal note, I don't think it's true (at all) anyways. It's not that "no one cares" if someone deemed unattractive dies - it's more likely it's just not as talked about or published. Yes, because someone is young and pretty, their story is told moreso than if that wasn't the case. That's part of what fuels this beast.
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Posted 14 October 2012 - 03:51 PM

I don't know the whole story, but if this girl is getting "cyber bullied" why didn't she just make her Facebook, twitter or whatever else she was using private for her friends only?
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Posted 14 October 2012 - 03:53 PM

RIP Amanda, no one will ever bully you again


Wrong. She's not being left alone -- even in death.
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Buddy I called this EXACT situtation on here two years ago and was flamed, so I guess I have a bit of hockey knowledge, not to mention the 4 years I played in the OHL idiot.


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Posted 14 October 2012 - 03:56 PM

I don't know the whole story, but if this girl is getting "cyber bullied" why didn't she just make her Facebook, twitter or whatever else she was using private for her friends only?


You might want to read the story.

People were making facebook pages about her, and posting nude images of her all over the internet, and continue to do so over different social media sites.

It's really quite sad and pathetic.

Edited by Jai604, 14 October 2012 - 03:57 PM.

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 03:58 PM

You might want to read the story.

People were making facebook pages about her, and posting nude images of her all over the internet.


which she provided on her own, but she didn't deserve the bullying she got as a result of it
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Posted 14 October 2012 - 05:07 PM

Part of the issue here is being missed. It is missing in many of the news stories and much of the discussion about what happened to Amanda.

From the police comments made, it sounds fairly clear to me that they beleive the person who was sending the pictures out is an adult (the police have also said they beleive he resides in the US). There needs to be a distinction made between these acts and what followed. For someone who is likely an adult to have been blackmailing a fourteen or fifteen year old girl to try and get her to "put on a show" for him is not bullying, nor is followiong up the threat and circulating the pictures. It is a far more heinous act and, though obviously those in her peer groups who bullied her are not without blame, this one individual basically ruined her life due to his thwarted desire to see an underage girl naked. I sincerely hope the police are able to find him and that he spends a very long time in a cell.
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Posted 14 October 2012 - 05:12 PM

^ At the very least, it should be investigated as possession of child pornography should it not?
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Posted 14 October 2012 - 05:14 PM

Part of the issue here is being missed. It is missing in many of the news stories and much of the discussion about what happened to Amanda.

From the police comments made, it sounds fairly clear to me that they beleive the person who was sending the pictures out is an adult (the police have also said they beleive he resides in the US). There needs to be a distinction made between these acts and what followed. For someone who is likely an adult to have been blackmailing a fourteen or fifteen year old girl to try and get her to "put on a show" for him is not bullying, nor is followiong up the threat and circulating the pictures. It is a far more heinous act and, though obviously those in her peer groups who bullied her are not without blame, this one individual basically ruined her life due to his thwarted desire to see an underage girl naked. I sincerely hope the police are able to find him and that he spends a very long time in a cell.


Resides in the US? What is he, a computer hacker? Because she claimed this individual had her personal information. So right away I'm led to believe it was someone local, if not someone at her school.
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Posted 14 October 2012 - 05:17 PM

^ At the very least, it should be investigated as possession of child pornography should it not?


You can add in blackmail, distribution of child pornography and perhaps attemped coersion of a minor (could be wrong on the name for the last one). From what I have heard the police have been investigating this for a while but have been unable to track the person down.
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Posted 14 October 2012 - 05:22 PM

Resides in the US? What is he, a computer hacker? Because she claimed this individual had her personal information. So right away I'm led to believe it was someone local, if not someone at her school.


Here's a link to one of the related articles: http://www.vancouver...6336/story.html

And a couple quotes:

"The Internet stalker she flashed kept stalking her," said Carol. "Every time she moved schools he would go undercover and become a Facebook friend. What the guy did was he went to online to the kids who went to (the new school) and said that he was going to be a new student - that he was starting school the following week and that he wanted some friends and could they friend him on Facebook."


The police couldn't track him down. "The police investigated and investigated, it got traced to somebody in the United States," said Carol. "But they never found him. Those people are very good at hiding their tracks." The suspected pedophile threatened that if she didn't do a show for him, he would send her pictures off again. Amanda wouldn't bow to the pressure and he would carry out his threat.


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Posted 14 October 2012 - 05:55 PM

You can't fault facebook, people voluntarily join their site you can't hold them responsible.

If you're being harassed on facebook delete your account or never join it at all in the first place

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 06:03 PM

Where did anyone blame Facebook?

Or are you referencing something from pages ago?
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Posted 14 October 2012 - 10:52 PM

What a heartbreaking story. Something about it really hits home. It disturbs me. It's infuriating and depressing that anyone could do this to another person.

I was bullied for a while in school. The first time I was 11 and actually despite it being much worse I dealt with it a lot better. It lasted a couple months. I did my best to ignore her and for the most part it worked. It wasn't really what she was doing that hurt the most it was that my friends at best did nothing and at worst joined in. That was really hard. I'd already learned I couldn't count on or trust my parents and so it made me realize I really had no one. From that point on I've never really the shook the feeling of being completely alone. There was one day that was particularly bad and I came home and cut for the first time. I've struggled with it ever since. She did eventually stop and just leave me alone. I think she got bored.

Then about a year later someone else started. It didn't last very long but it didn't need to in order to trigger a cascade of problems that had been building for a long time. It didn't help that I had been getting progressively more depressed for around 5 years. This time it probably could've been considered cyber bullying. It's one of those things where you wonder why I didn't just remove myself from the situation but I was in such a bad place the thought didn't even cross my mind. Finally there was one night that the person said some things and I'd had it and made my first suicide attempt. By this point I had already been dreaming of dying for a long time but had never really considered actually doing something about it. The thing that really should have tipped me off that something was really wrong was that I wasn't doing it to escape how I felt. I did it because I thought it would make the person feel awful for what they were putting me through. For some reason it really seemed like the best way to get back at them.

Fast forward to the present and things still haven't improved a meaningful amount. It's been 11 long years of suffering including a hospitalization and a lot more suicide attempts (though none for quite a while now). I'm growing more and more skeptical that things will ever get better. I've had a lot of supposed help (medication and therapy) over that span and it has been minimally effective. I had one therapist who was amazing but she finished her practicum so I lost her. I'm quitting the new one tomorrow. I'm not sure what I'll do after that but she's doing more harm than good so it's a must.
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Posted 14 October 2012 - 11:03 PM

I'm just gonna ask..

To those saying "she was just 12, it wasn't her fault, she didn't know what she was doing.."

If a 12 year old kills a guy, should she be punished? Did the kid know what he/she was doing?


RIP Amanda Todd. Your death was tragic, and i send all my condolences to the family. I used to kind of be a bully in elementary, and i stopped because i finally understood the pain it caused others. I owed up to my mistakes, and admitted to everyone that what i did was wrong. The bullies that Amanda had to deal with should owe up to their mistakes. Obviously those kids are f'd up.
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Posted 14 October 2012 - 11:24 PM

To address and explain the image that was removed.

First of all - to "compare" a young girl's very recent death to anything in a meme that sheds a negative light on her is inappropriate. Let the young girl rest in peace and focus on condolences, as a young girl has died (please) and your timing is WAY off. There is a time/place for meme's, but this is not it.
(Also, the language was inappropriate for this site)

With that and on a personal note, I don't think it's true (at all) anyways. It's not that "no one cares" if someone deemed unattractive dies - it's more likely it's just not as talked about or published. Yes, because someone is young and pretty, their story is told moreso than if that wasn't the case. That's part of what fuels this beast.


I want to know why some people are so heartless?


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Posted 14 October 2012 - 11:34 PM

I'm just gonna ask..

To those saying "she was just 12, it wasn't her fault, she didn't know what she was doing.."

If a 12 year old kills a guy, should she be punished? Did the kid know what he/she was doing?


RIP Amanda Todd. Your death was tragic, and i send all my condolences to the family. I used to kind of be a bully in elementary, and i stopped because i finally understood the pain it caused others. I owed up to my mistakes, and admitted to everyone that what i did was wrong. The bullies that Amanda had to deal with should owe up to their mistakes. Obviously those kids are f'd up.




Your comparing a child killing somebody to a child who was coerced into flashing a camera by an older guy that she thought liked her?


My god. I'm scared to ask what your take on child pornagraphy is. We better lock those criminally minded children up too.

I just don't understand people. This world is truley messed up. We're f'n doomed.



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Posted 14 October 2012 - 11:53 PM

What a heartbreaking story. Something about it really hits home. It disturbs me. It's infuriating and depressing that anyone could do this to another person.

I was bullied for a while in school. The first time I was 11 and actually despite it being much worse I dealt with it a lot better. It lasted a couple months. I did my best to ignore her and for the most part it worked. It wasn't really what she was doing that hurt the most it was that my friends at best did nothing and at worst joined in. That was really hard. I'd already learned I couldn't count on or trust my parents and so it made me realize I really had no one. From that point on I've never really the shook the feeling of being completely alone. There was one day that was particularly bad and I came home and cut for the first time. I've struggled with it ever since. She did eventually stop and just leave me alone. I think she got bored.

Then about a year later someone else started. It didn't last very long but it didn't need to in order to trigger a cascade of problems that had been building for a long time. It didn't help that I had been getting progressively more depressed for around 5 years. This time it probably could've been considered cyber bullying. It's one of those things where you wonder why I didn't just remove myself from the situation but I was in such a bad place the thought didn't even cross my mind. Finally there was one night that the person said some things and I'd had it and made my first suicide attempt. By this point I had already been dreaming of dying for a long time but had never really considered actually doing something about it. The thing that really should have tipped me off that something was really wrong was that I wasn't doing it to escape how I felt. I did it because I thought it would make the person feel awful for what they were putting me through. For some reason it really seemed like the best way to get back at them.

Fast forward to the present and things still haven't improved a meaningful amount. It's been 11 long years of suffering including a hospitalization and a lot more suicide attempts (though none for quite a while now). I'm growing more and more skeptical that things will ever get better. I've had a lot of supposed help (medication and therapy) over that span and it has been minimally effective. I had one therapist who was amazing but she finished her practicum so I lost her. I'm quitting the new one tomorrow. I'm not sure what I'll do after that but she's doing more harm than good so it's a must.



Thanks for sharing that. I've never personally dealt with depression but I've had close family members who have. It's a terrible thing. From what you said it really sounds like you're heading down the right path, even though it may not feel like it. If you've dealt with it for 11 years, chances are you've already been strong enough to get through the hardest part. I hope you have an easier road going forward. Suicide is not worth it. I've seen it first hand. It's devastating to the people around you, and you will miss out on so many great things in the future. That's almost one of the hardest things to accept to the people around you as well. The family member that I had will never see me grow old, get married, have kids etc. Not only do you lose the person, but you lose a lifetime of experiences that will never happen. It's a horrible feeling that will be with me for the rest of my life.



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Posted 15 October 2012 - 12:02 AM

Your comparing a child killing somebody to a child who was coerced into flashing a camera by an older guy that she thought liked her?


My god. I'm scared to ask what your take on child pornagraphy is. We better lock those criminally minded children up too.

I just don't understand people. This world is truley messed up. We're f'n doomed.


Oh come on, you know what I meant.

The big question is, if you're gonna make an argument that she as 12 years old and didnt know what the hell she was doing, if there was a case of a 12 year old kid killing someone, youre taking the same position that the kids only 12 and doesn't know what he/she did.


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Posted 15 October 2012 - 12:08 AM

lol she wasn't 12 she was 15 where are people getting this from? she definitely knew what she was doing, but she didn't deserve to be bullied to the point it got to
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Posted 15 October 2012 - 12:13 AM

Oh come on, you know what I meant.

The big question is, if you're gonna make an argument that she as 12 years old and didnt know what the hell she was doing, if there was a case of a 12 year old kid killing someone, youre taking the same position that the kids only 12 and doesn't know what he/she did.



Seriously dude. See my child pornography statement. How do you think that stuff develops. Do you understand what coercion is? Your example was piss poor and doesn't prove your point at all.

That being said.. Why the hell are you (and so many others) even trying to argue this? That blows my mind. Are you intentionally trying to play the devils advocate or something? People are outraged that this young girl lost her life. It's a tragedy no matter how you look at it. Why the hell would your choose this platform to create a debate.

What good can come from what you're doing? What are you trying to prove? Do you expect someone to change their tune and say "ok, it actually WAS all her fault. Glad she's dead."? If that's your intention you need some serious help buddy. If that's not your intention then you deserve to be knocked the hell out for being a troll in the lowest of all manners.

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 06:24 AM

lol she wasn't 12 she was 15 where are people getting this from? she definitely knew what she was doing, but she didn't deserve to be bullied to the point it got to


I think people are referring to the fact she would have been 12 or 13 when someone took a screen cap of her flashing on the internet.
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Posted 15 October 2012 - 08:49 AM

lol she wasn't 12 she was 15 where are people getting this from? she definitely knew what she was doing, but she didn't deserve to be bullied to the point it got to


She was 12 when the pictures were taken that started this mess.
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Posted 15 October 2012 - 09:11 AM

Oh come on, you know what I meant.

The big question is, if you're gonna make an argument that she as 12 years old and didnt know what the hell she was doing, if there was a case of a 12 year old kid killing someone, youre taking the same position that the kids only 12 and doesn't know what he/she did.

There is a reason minors get charged as minors and adults get charged as adults.

No one said it's ok she flashed someone because she was 12...they are saying as a 12 year old she clearly didn't make the best judgement call in that situation and she became a victim or a poor decision. One that followed her through 4 schools for 3 years until she committed suicide.

I wonder if all your decisions were perfectly reasoned through when you were 12? Do you think you might have made some bad decisions with an adolescent mind compared with an adult mind?
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Posted 15 October 2012 - 01:08 PM

I'm not trying to justify anything that was done to her. No, she did not deserve what happened to her. Yes, I sympathize with her family. However, if you believe that no blame whatsoever is in her ballpark, you're wrong. She made a stupid mistake for a pre-teen? Sure. That mistake still eventually lead to her suicide. Go ahead and call me "immature", "ignorant", or whatever you'd prefer to say. I'm entitled to my own opinion and I believe that while what happened to her is BEYOND messed up, and that the guy who did it deserves more than his fair share of punishment in prison. Acting as if I was saying she's to blame for more than a minute bit of this is incorrect, and you guys know it.


Blaming a 12 year old for making a poor decision is extremely moronic. A 12 year old girl in our oh so superficial and overly sexualized society was being flattered like she probably never had been before, and made a mistake she had no idea would matter.

When any older person lures a child into doing something, the blame is entirely upon that older person. The person that lured her is a predator, preying upon those that are young and naive.

The number of tormentors afterwards is an entirely different problem. We're seeing a generation with many members without any concern or compassion for others.
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Posted 15 October 2012 - 01:23 PM

Blaming a 12 year old for making a poor decision is extremely moronic. A 12 year old girl in our oh so superficial and overly sexualized society was being flattered like she probably never had been before, and made a mistake she had no idea would matter.

When any older person lures a child into doing something, the blame is entirely upon that older person. The person that lured her is a predator, preying upon those that are young and naive.

The number of tormentors afterwards is an entirely different problem. We're seeing a generation with many members without any concern or compassion for others.


The problem seems to stem from the culture that exists on the internet nowadays. For some reason all these young teens like the idea of anonymity. I guess because it allows them to act tough, and attack other people without any fear of retribution.

I feel sorry for today's kids who are learning their social skills from the internet. Any kids that think that the way people talk to each other on the internet is the way people communicate in real life, are gonna have a tough time adapting to the real world. Because if you don't respect people in the real world, you're not gonna get any respect back.

That's one thing I don't understand in all this. Who are these kids parents who are allowing them to spend so much time on the internet "cyberbullying"? Do they not teach these kids any sort of respect? I find it hard to believe that anyone who would say "go kill yourself" on the internet could be any more than 12 years old. Because most normal kids grow out of that sort of immaturity by then. So where are the parents monitoring these 12 year old kids who are going into these chat rooms and other forums?
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Posted 15 October 2012 - 03:09 PM

I'll just leave this here. If the provided information is correct, hopefully there will be an arrest made this week.

http://motleynews.ne...s-extortionist/

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 03:39 PM

I'll just leave this here. If the provided information is correct, hopefully there will be an arrest made this week.

http://motleynews.ne...s-extortionist/



Hopefully Anonymous got the right guy. If so, then I hope NWPD make an arrest and charge him with soliciting a minor and child porn offences.
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Posted 15 October 2012 - 03:46 PM

You don't need someone on the internet to find this guy.

The cops already know who he is I'm sure. All they have to do is ask people from her schools, go through her cell phone texts and calls, or go through her computer files.

This guy will be caught, it's only a matter of time. And when he is, I hope he is punished to the full extent of the law.

If they can delay it enough, there may be a bullying law in place by then, that would allow them to add another charge to go along with extortion, statutory rape, and distributing child pornography.

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 04:00 PM

Let's get that guy off the streets.

Makes me sick that she had to die before anyone paid attention to the crap this guy was doing.
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Posted 15 October 2012 - 04:33 PM

If Anonymous is right, and it is the guy, then it's even worse than it seemed initally, since this guy has apparently blackmailed multiple girls...
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