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#91 TimberWolf

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 11:37 AM

Do you know what I wish? I wish people would be sensible and not make big bloody deals out of simple matters. Now, if this person is rushing to an interview and it's the only place in town, maybe (no, actually - that's her problem for being stupid and leaving things to the last minute).

Everyone is quick to follow up with claims, suits, actions that, really, are for nothing. This diverts valuable time and resources away from more serious matters.

Get over it already, it's a haircut for crying out loud. I don't care if it's appropriate or not (to follow up), I think it's ridiculous.


While I agree she was looking for a fight, in the progressive lands of Canada, she should not have been successful at finding one.
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 11:39 AM

but they are still doctors, and we are all human being's, equal rights and whatnot, right?


I said go ahead. Please report back here and let us know how it went.

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I guess because of that old poster, woman shouldn't be allowed in the army neither.
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 11:51 AM

And many attitudes I am seeming are showing why Male only clubs are necessary.


Because why, exactly?
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 11:53 AM

I said go ahead. Please report back here and let us know how it went.

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I guess because of that old poster, woman shouldn't be allowed in the army neither.

because paying for a haircut, an optional service which can be refused (unless you feel that anyone who provides a service must be forced to do so for any paying client), is analogous to obtaining a paid position in the military.
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 12:00 PM

Because why, exactly?

To get away from questions like these, for starters.
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 12:05 PM

because paying for a haircut, an optional service which can be refused (unless you feel that anyone who provides a service must be forced to do so for any paying client), is analogous to obtaining a paid position in the military.


"Management has the right to refuse service to anybody"?

The point of my picture was that it is old - just like a barbershop in 1925 - old.

We've come a long way since then.
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 12:09 PM

"Management has the right to refuse service to anybody"?

The point of my picture was that it is old - just like a barbershop in 1925 - old.

We've come a long way since then.

and yet they are not even close to being the same thing, despite them both being "old".

you're acting just like silly goose in the morality of eating meat thread.
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 12:10 PM

It's a barbers shop. Which everyone knows are for men (or traditionally anyway). If she was so desperate for a haircut why didn't she go to one of the many salons nearby, as avelanch pointed out? Attention seeking in an increasingly attention seeking world.
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 12:11 PM

And many attitudes I am seeming are showing why Male only clubs are necessary.


Like Freemasons?

Like Catholic priests?
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 12:12 PM

Like Freemasons?

Like Catholic priests?

like my tree fort.
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 12:12 PM

and yet they are not even close to being the same thing, despite them both being "old".

you're acting just like silly goose in the morality of eating meat thread.


Says the guy who argued that he should be allowed to see an OBGYN...
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 12:15 PM

Says the guy who argued that he should be allowed to see an OBGYN...

a service from a specialist, is a service from a specialist, is not a paid job from a government organization...
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 12:16 PM

It's a barbers shop. Which everyone knows are for men (or traditionally anyway). If she was so desperate for a haircut why didn't she go to one of the many salons nearby, as avelanch pointed out? Attention seeking in an increasingly attention seeking world.


I already responded to this. "While I agree she was looking for a fight, in the progressive lands of Canada, she should not have been successful at finding one."

Also, why didn't Jews and blacks just build another golf course? Why didn't Rosa Parks just move to another seat on the bus? Change is made by those that look for fights, not docilely going with the flow. Look at Wetcoasters precedent on the first page about the same-sex couple being refused service. There are other bed and breakfast's they could have gone to, correct? Were they just attention whores or people sick of discrimination?
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I was saying Lu-Urns...

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 12:16 PM

Should we tear down all old heritage buildings because they are old too? Afterall, we have come a long way.

Their business makes a point of being traditional. Old, since 1925 old. If it's their business model, and they are successful, then why should they be forced to change it for the single customer who didn't know about their established business model and didn't want to walk a block to another business that would accomodate them?

A simple 'harumph' and walk-off would've sufficed here, but instead she has decided to go the self-serving attention-grabbing route in the name of a noble cause that doesn't even apply.

There is no issue unless they are the only haircutting service available within a reasonable distance, and the map shows that this is not the case. She is doing herself and those who trumpet her quest a real disservice.
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 12:18 PM

Don't get me wrong, there are definitely civil rights issues to be upset about.

This case isn't one of them. You are being trolled.
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 12:21 PM

It's a barbers shop. Which everyone knows are for men (or traditionally anyway). If she was so desperate for a haircut why didn't she go to one of the many salons nearby, as avelanch pointed out? Attention seeking in an increasingly attention seeking world.


she looks like she was only interested in a "basic hair cut"


much cheaper if she paid the men's price at most places,
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 12:26 PM

a service from a specialist, is a service from a specialist, is not a paid job from a government organization...


People pay to play golf.

"the famed Augusta National Golf Club finally admitted its first two female members, an overdue break from an 80-year tradition of exclusion. The news was welcome, especially given the historic club’s important role in the promotion of golf in the United States. But that hurdle to equality now removed, the focus turns to the question of whether even less prominent men-only golf clubs have any place in a modern society. The answer is no."

http://www.theglobea...article4503636/
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 12:36 PM

If this women is successful in winning her lawsuit and gets $$ out of it. I'll be wanting to join a Ladies only gym that is only a 5 minute walk away from my place instead of a Steve Nash Fitness Club (that I currently go to) that is a 5 minute drive from my place.

Prices are about the same but the Ladies Gym is close and in walking distance.

Fair is fair.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 12:38 PM

Don't get me wrong, there are definitely civil rights issues to be upset about.

This case isn't one of them. You are being trolled.


I agree, this is very silly...not really a civil rights - but arguing that it isn't is just the same.

I guess what is the real point?
For me, it's not about a barbershop being for men.
It's about the guy saying "it goes against my religion".

That would be like me saying "public schools should say the Lord's prayer - for not doing so is against my religion". To which you say - "go to a Christian school". Too which I say - "why doesn't this barber practice his trade in a country for his religion"?

There are more important things to focus on...
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 12:42 PM

and there's the crux. your only qualms with this is because he said it's because of his religion, which isn't your own.
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 12:43 PM

Hypocrites, the lot of you who agree with this woman. Strictly on the grounds of these mens' traditional belief system is protected by one of our most fundamental laws. You can't turn around and argue equality when our bill of rights protects everyone equally to practice their religion as they see fit. You wouldnt bust into a Jew-church and demand that they all start eating pork because "its the canadian way, get used to it or go back to isreal?" because it's ???? racist.

From what I understand these muslim men are prohibited from touching another womans hair unless they are family because they consider it a little too private for a stranger to be doing (maybe a practicing muslim can clarify for us). Because of this background, even if they were to make an exception they lack the skills to do a proper female haircut and risk doing a crapty job. Any man who takes pride in his career would not be satisfied with doing bad work.

She's not a freedom fighter, she is being opressive. Men running a Mens barber shop hurts no-one. Move along, stop feeding the attention whore.
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 12:44 PM

and there's the crux. your only qualms with this is because he said it's because of his religion, which isn't your own.


Wrong - because of how he went about it and how you defended it.
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 12:47 PM

I agree, this is very silly...not really a civil rights - but arguing that it isn't is just the same.

I guess what is the real point?
For me, it's not about a barbershop being for men.
It's about the guy saying "it goes against my religion".

That would be like me saying "public schools should say the Lord's prayer - for not doing so is against my religion". To which you say - "go to a Christian school". Too which I say - "why doesn't this barber practice his trade in a country for his religion"?

There are more important things to focus on...


You are kind of proving the point that there are certain places that cator to certain clientelle. You are suggesting that this man go back to his country in order to freely practice his religion. It's pretty much been the macro of bigots since time immemorial.

"If blacks want (insert same right that white people get) they should go back to africa"

This is just bigotry being re-packaged as wrongly percieved sexism issue.

Edited by derr12, 16 November 2012 - 12:49 PM.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 12:48 PM

I think the real issue here should be that the courts are actually going to take this case.
What a waste of time and money.
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 12:49 PM

Hypocrites, the lot of you who agree with this woman. Strictly on the grounds of these mens' traditional belief system is protected by one of our most fundamental laws. You can't turn around and argue equality when our bill of rights protects everyone equally to practice their religion as they see fit. You wouldnt bust into a Jew-church and demand that they all start eating pork because "its the canadian way, get used to it or go back to isreal?" because it's ???? racist.

From what I understand these muslim men are prohibited from touching another womans hair unless they are family because they consider it a little too private for a stranger to be doing (maybe a practicing muslim can clarify for us). Because of this background, even if they were to make an exception they lack the skills to do a proper female haircut and risk doing a crapty job. Any man who takes pride in his career would not be satisfied with doing bad work.

She's not a freedom fighter, she is being opressive. Men running a Mens barber shop hurts no-one. Move along, stop feeding the attention whore.


Really? Then why can't my son say the Lord's prayer in the public school?

Sorry, this "barbershop" is open to the public.

I said before - all he needs to do is hire a female barber and/or have a sign clearly stating that it is a Men's only barbershop.

Why do I say that? The barber I used to go to in Calgary (before I recently moved back to BC) is a Muslim and that's what he did.
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 12:50 PM

You are kind of proving the point that there are certain places that cator to certain clientelle. You are suggesting that this man go back to his country in order to freely practice his religion. It's pretty much been the macro of bigots since time immemorial.

"If blacks want (insert same right that white people get) they should go back to africa"

This is just bigotry being re-packaged as wrongly percieved sexism issue.


Exactly - thanks for proving my point.
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 01:38 PM

Woman was looking for trouble. Sure she could find another salon/barbershop to get her hair cut without a fuss. She was refused here, and she's the chance to start crap.
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 01:38 PM

If this women is successful in winning her lawsuit and gets $$ out of it. I'll be wanting to join a Ladies only gym that is only a 5 minute walk away from my place instead of a Steve Nash Fitness Club (that I currently go to) that is a 5 minute drive from my place.

Prices are about the same but the Ladies Gym is close and in walking distance.

Fair is fair.

You won't be able to because political correctness in these regards places women in a category with disabled people or those in a persistent vegetative state, they are special, they are weak, and they need government to prevent bias on getting a hair cut.. whereas you are a male, you need no help, and women only clubs, or women only taxi cab services, are a-ok. If you call out this type of hypocrisy and non-equal treatment, you are a dog, you aren't Canadian, you have no respect for the charter, for human rights, you kick puppies, and you eat babies.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 01:52 PM

You won't be able to because political correctness in these regards places women in a category with disabled people or those in a persistent vegetative state, they are special, they are weak, and they need government to prevent bias on getting a hair cut.. whereas you are a male, you need no help, and women only clubs, or women only taxi cab services, are a-ok. If you call out this type of hypocrisy and non-equal treatment, you are a dog, you aren't Canadian, you have no respect for the charter, for human rights, you kick puppies, and you eat babies.


You're probably right. I would most likely be demonized for my efforts.

BUT if I were to switch to the Ladies Gym...the benefits to me would be...

1. Can walk instead of driving. Save $ on gas and less pollution to the environment.
2. Frees up the car so my wife can use it if need be.
3. I'm walking which helps cuz I need to get more exercise (as per doctor's orders).

I see no reason why I should be denied joining the Ladies gym.
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 02:07 PM

Its ridiculous from a practical standpoint. However, their religion forbids this, and as nuts as it sounds she should respect his right to believe whatever he wants .

She doesnt have to respect HIM for his arcane belief system. I certainly wouldnt. But to SUE the guy over it?

Where does all this end? Sue everyone for everything . Sue feminist groups for not allowing men. Sue the black caucus or refusing white people. Sue Chinese people for not teaching everyone else Cantonese for free. They teach their children Cantonese for free.

At some point we have to call it what it is. An excuse to try to feel important via victimization for any reason whether it be reasonable or not.


I'm filing a lawsuit against you for using "victimization" in a sentence.

Not because it's wrong, but because I don't like it.
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