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#31 BobLoblaw

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 11:01 AM

It seems that a majority of people don't see harm in the "more industrious and hard-working" statement in regards to describing Asians. However, the perpetuating of stereotypes is still the seed that allows prejudice and discrimination to persist.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 11:10 AM

It seems that a majority of people don't see harm in the "more industrious and hard-working" statement in regards to describing Asians. However, the perpetuating of stereotypes is still the seed that allows prejudice and discrimination to persist.

http://colorlines.co..._halloween.html


Would it also be the case that a "smart" enemy is perceived as a greater threat than a "dumb" enemy?
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 11:28 AM

I'd rather Fox news do a report on why Asian people walk so slow in downtown Vancouver :(

Probably because they...

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 11:31 AM

Would it also be the case that a "smart" enemy is perceived as a greater threat than a "dumb" enemy?


Not sure I understand where you're going with this. However, IMO, the perception of an enemy's level of intelligence merely changes the type of threat that is perceived and is dependant on the context of the threat. It doesn't determine the degree of the threat as it's not always the case where a "smart" enemy is a greater threat than a "dumb" enemy. It could go either way.
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 11:45 AM

You shouldn't buy into his concept that "industrious" hard work is somehow NOT a liberal value. I have seen lazy conservatives and hard-working liberals. They're not oxymorons.

In any case, Bill is talking about East Asians who come to North America. For Vancouver, we've got, among many other countries, people from South Korea, Hong Kong, and what used to be South 'Nam. In general, these people aren't going to align themselves with left-wing politics.

For your parents... if they had actual liberal values (politically), I'm guessing they were students in Korea during the 80s.


Industrious hard work can be a liberal value...I never said it wasn't. I just meant that, that sort of mentality is virtually smacked into the heads of many kids back in Asia. I was also about taught about hard work, but that was through seeing the actions of my parents and them teaching me about it in a non-threatening way. And yeah, by liberal, I meant that my parents were more...I guess - lenient on things when raising me. Should have phrased that better, my bad.

Instilling discipline and responsibility is one thing. Controlling their entire lives is something else altogether. I see too much of the latter in Asian families. Is that something to be proud of?


No, of course not. But I'm just saying that's usually the case.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 02:23 PM

Recommended viewing for every Asian, or non-Asian kid, for that matter, with strict controlling parents...



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Now, who was a greater success in life? Mr. Jobs or your Mom and your Dad?
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 02:30 PM

Recommended viewing for every Asian, or non-Asian kid, for that matter, with strict controlling parents...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UF8uR6Z6KLc

Most notably,



Now, who was a greater success in life? Mr. Jobs or your Mom and your Dad?


That all depends on how one measures "success" .. there is no one measure so perhaps his Mom and Dad were much more successful .. only they can measure that relatively, not someone pontificating from the "snide-lines" .. :rolleyes:
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 02:31 PM

Bill may have a point.

Asians in North America are pretty low key and not looking for sympathy or attention like other skin tones. They just go about working hard knowing to idle in self pity makes them no money. Asians are a lot like white people except shorter.

Take for example the Native Indians or the blacks (Sorry if the term is not PC now. It keeps changing by the week.) in the US. Disagree with this group and you will be labelled a racist. For a black person to go on TV, Radio, Movies, Rap music to call the white man every derogatory term in the book or degrade women children or white society in general in their rap music, it's funny and acceptable. For you to disagree with Obama automatically makes you a racist. To call a black person unqualified, lazy, incorrect or mistaken is now racist. If you are interviewing an Asian, Black or a White person for a job, the only correct way of not being a racist is to hire the black person. The Asian or the White will just move on and keep fighting the fight. This applies also to Native Indians also but to a much higher degree.


Waving the race card to garner sympathy has been abused and wrecklessly used. It's tiring. This as a disturbing trend. Because they must walk on eggs, in this present day, white people are the lease racist.

Bill O'Reilly might be correct. It's just too painful on the ego and pride for some to hear.


I agree to some degree, however Asians, with a few exceptions, had it a lot easier than the other groups by way of not being the focus of discrimination by doctrine.

If blacks, Latinos, Natives and other groups had only faced the same historical level of discrimination as did Asians, there wouldn't have been the problems there are today.
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 02:32 PM

Bill may have a point.

Asians in North America are pretty low key and not looking for sympathy or attention like other skin tones. They just go about working hard knowing to idle in self pity makes them no money. Asians are a lot like white people except shorter.

Take for example the Native Indians or the blacks (Sorry if the term is not PC now. It keeps changing by the week.) in the US. Disagree with this group and you will be labelled a racist. For a black person to go on TV, Radio, Movies, Rap music to call the white man every derogatory term in the book or degrade women children or white society in general in their rap music, it's funny and acceptable. For you to disagree with Obama automatically makes you a racist. To call a black person unqualified, lazy, incorrect or mistaken is now racist. If you are interviewing an Asian, Black or a White person for a job, the only correct way of not being a racist is to hire the black person. The Asian or the White will just move on and keep fighting the fight. This applies also to Native Indians also but to a much higher degree.


Waving the race card to garner sympathy has been abused and wrecklessly used. It's tiring. This as a disturbing trend. Because they must walk on eggs, in this present day, white people are the lease racist.

Bill O'Reilly might be correct. It's just too painful on the ego and pride for some to hear.


I agree to some degree, however Asians, with a few exceptions, had it a lot easier than the other groups by way of not being the focus of discrimination by doctrine.

If blacks, Latinos, Natives and other groups had only faced the same historical level of discrimination as did Asians, there wouldn't have been the problems there are today.
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 02:41 PM

That all depends on how one measures "success" .. there is no one measure so perhaps his Mom and Dad were much more successful .. only they can measure that relatively, not someone pontificating from the "snide-lines" .. :rolleyes:


Who changed the face of the computing industry, the movie animation business, music downloads and the way we organize our everyday activities? Not your mom and dad.

And to fly in the face of the stereotypical Asian "more education for more money" mindset, guess who made a frackload of a lot more money?

Edited by Buggernut, 06 January 2013 - 02:46 PM.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 02:46 PM

Who changed the face of the computing industry, the movie animation business, music downloads and the way we organize our everyday activities? Not your mom and dad.

And to fly in the face of the stereotypical Asian "better education for more money" mindset, guess who made a frackload of a lot more money?


And do you think the Dali Lama gives a rats rectum? .. you are placing your own values on someone else .. speak for yourself only ..
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 02:49 PM

And do you think the Dali Lama gives a rats rectum? .. you are placing your own values on someone else .. speak for yourself only ..


Likewise, your parents shouldn't place their own values on you. Unless you're perfectly content with being their puppet, of course.
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 03:22 PM

I agree to some degree, however Asians, with a few exceptions, had it a lot easier than the other groups by way of not being the focus of discrimination by doctrine.

If blacks, Latinos, Natives and other groups had only faced the same historical level of discrimination as did Asians, there wouldn't have been the problems there are today.

In Canada and (in BC in particular) Asians faced entrenched discrimination led by government legislation referred to as the Asiatic Exclusion Acts.

The 1872 British Columbia Qualifications of Voters Act denied Chinese the right to vote.

In 1878 a British Columbia law is passed making it illegal for Chinese people to be employed on construction projects paid for by the provincial government.

After using Chinese workers to complete the Canadian Pacific Railway (where many were killed working the most dangerous sections). The families of the Chinese who were killed received no compensation—not even notification of loss of life. Many of the men who survived did not have enough money to return to their families in China and spent years in lonely, sad and (often) poor conditions.

Between 1881 and 1884, as many as 17 000 Chinese men came to B.C. to work as labourers on the Canadian Pacific Railway. The Chinese workers worked for $1.00 a day, and from this $1.00 the workers had to still pay for their food and their camping and cooking gear. White workers did not have to pay for these things even though they were paid more money ($1.50-$2.50 per day). As well as being paid less, Chinese workers were given the most back-breaking and dangerous work to do. They cleared and graded the railway's roadbed. They blasted tunnels through the rock. There were accidents, fires and disasters. Landslides and dynamite blasts killed many.


the federal government passed the Act to Restrict and Regulate Chinese Immigration into Canada in 1885, which requires that Chinese people entering Canada to pay a head tax of $50 per person.


In 1900 the federal government raises the head tax to $100, to take effect in 1902. This is despite the Royal Commission on Chinese and Japanese Immigration holds hearings and concludes that limiting Chinese immigration will not damage trade between China and Canada.

In 1903 the federal government raises the head tax to $500.

In 1906 Newfoundland passes a law requiring all Chinese immigrants to pay a head tax of $300.


In 1907 anti-Asian riots in Vancouver sweeps through Chinatown and Japantown, and damaging and destroying Chinese and Japanese businesses.

In 1907, at Canada's insistence, Japan limited the migration of males to Canada to 400 per year. As a result, most immigrants thereafter were women joining their husbands or unmarried women who were betrothed to men in Canada.


Between 1917-1918 Ontario, Manitoba, Saskatchewan and British Columbia pass laws making it illegal to hire White women in Chinese-owned restaurants and laundries. This law is challenged in the courts, but the ruling favours the provinces under the doctrine of supremacy of Parliament - there is no civil rights protection at this time.

In 1921 the School Board of Victoria puts all Chinese students in one separate school. Parents take their children out of the school and place them in the Chinese public school. The boycott lasts a year until the Victoria board permits the Chinese students to return.

The Asiatic Exclusion Acts and other immigration quotas work and immigration from Asia comes to virtually a complete stop for decades.

In 1928, Canada further restricted Japanese immigration to 150 persons annually, a quota seldom met. In 1940, during WWII Japanese immigration stopped altogether, and it did not resume until the mid-1960s.

In February 1942 following the attack on pearl Harbour and invasion of Hong Kong by Japan, the federal government, at the instigation of racist BC politicians, used the War Measures Act to order the removal of all Japanese Canadians residing within 160 kilometres of the Pacific coast. At the time the government claimed that Japanese Canadians were being removed for reasons of "national security," despite the fact that the removal order was opposed by Canada's senior military and RCMP officers who stated that Japanese Canadians posed no threat to Canada's security. 20 881 men, women and children of Japanese ancestry, 75% of whom were Canadian citizens, were removed from their homes and their property seized and sold without compensation. After the war ends in 1945 the detention continues and 4000 Japanese Canadians, more than half of whom were Canadian citizens, were deported to Japan. BTW the US had released Japanese Americans from internment during the war and deported no American citizens of Japanese ancestry.


In 1947 the Exclusion Act is repealed as a result of pressure from lobbying groups in Canada, as well as from the international community. But the Chinese are placed under the same limits on immigration as other Asians. Chinese Canadians are given the right to vote in federal elections. Chinese Canadians are also allowed to work as pharmacists, lawyers and accountants.

In 1949 British Columbia gives all Chinese Canadians the right to vote in provincial elections.


In 1967 the Immigration Act gives the Chinese the same immigration rights as other groups. Chinese immigration to Canada starts to increase with people coming from many different locations including Hong Kong, China, Australia, Vietnam and Jamaica.

Canada has rich history of racism and discrimination against Asians.
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 04:11 PM

That may ne true, but I speaking about the U.S. context.
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 04:56 PM

That may ne true, but I speaking about the U.S. context.


Not that Wikipedia is the best source or anything but I'm too lazy to search out another that offers a short summary on it.
http://en.wikipedia....Asian_Americans
As you can see, it mirrors Canada's history.

And for an article regarding Asian American's in America today:
http://www.guardian....asian-americans
Interesting excerpts to me:
  • "racism against Asians is not confronted as much and therefore is somehow seen as more acceptable – not even racist, even."
  • "A survey last year found that Asian American teenagers suffered far more bullying at school than any other demographic: 54% of Asian-American teenagers reported being bullied compared with 31.3% of white teens and 38.4% of black ones."

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 05:18 PM

Now, who was a greater success in life? Mr. Jobs or your Mom and your Dad?


His parents are probably still alive so......Ya his parents.
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 05:32 PM

Noones doubting that there wasn't and isn't discrimination against Asians in both countries, but it pales compared to that faced by blacks and browns in the U.S.

In the Canadian context, the only thing historically comparable would be anti Native rascim.
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 06:51 PM

Can't wait for racism to end entirely through inevitable global cross-breeding.

Maybe we'll turn into the Cloud Atlas humans, who look kinda like beige fish with hair.

Stupid movie btw. Reminded me of A.I. Looked good, but watching it makes your face melt and head explode like the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark.

'Why is Agent Smith both a cross-dresser and a Leprechaun in this 3hr long piece of crap?
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 07:45 PM

Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life. Don't be trapped by dogma — which is living with the results of other people's thinking. Don't let the noise of others' opinions drown out your own inner voice. And most important, have the courage to follow your heart and intuition. They somehow already know what you truly want to become. Everything else is secondary.



I'm happy that my parents we're able to see that, although it took them quite a while :lol:
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 07:57 PM

Bill O'Reilly is, by nature, an idgit.
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 11:28 PM

I agree to some degree, however Asians, with a few exceptions, had it a lot easier than the other groups by way of not being the focus of discrimination by doctrine.

If blacks, Latinos, Natives and other groups had only faced the same historical level of discrimination as did Asians, there wouldn't have been the problems there are today.


Its obvious that you know little about Chinese Canadian History. The were just or even more discriminated than black people. The race riots in Vancouver in 1907, the Head Tax on them, the exclusion acts by the Federal giovernment. Even black people did not have these legislation against them.

The Chinese were denied the vote until 1947. They could not join professional assocaitions like lawyers, doctors, dentists until the the 1950's. They could not buy property in the British properties.

In the 1930's if you go to movie theaters, you were segregated to the balconies.
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 12:13 AM

Can't wait for racism to end entirely through inevitable global cross-breeding.

Maybe we'll turn into the Cloud Atlas humans, who look kinda like beige fish with hair.



Golly, is that what they openly teach in schools nowadays?

This idea of global race mixing to breed out human races and create a single shade universal man has been around for while, but no one took it seriously until now. I wonder how many realize that it’s straight out of Comintern and Soviet vision of the future.

Obviously, it has support among governments of many ostensibly white led countries since the current immigration policies can only be interpreted as intending to race replace or permanently alter/mix existing populations. But I’m not convinced the project has been thought through. Perhaps you or someone else can help me out with several points I've never heard any liberal seriously address:
  • Why is it that only first world white countries, not just the Anglo-sphere, must suffer complete race overhaul? And why do the Japanese (God bless them) get to maintain their genetic integrity despite declining population numbers? Are you aware of UN human rights articles on race and genocide?
  • Why, in a world where “benefits of diversity” is state sanctioned mantra, must distinct races be expunged? Surely it hasn’t escaped anyone that the whole thing hinges on racial genetic differences and the luxury to evolve in separate environments, preferably free from widespread alien incursions?
  • What is the evidence for mixed, inter-species superiority at a group level v non-mixed populations for either man or animals? Ever been in the market for a puppy? Meditated on the persistent inverse relation between price and uncertain ancestry, maybe? Was the price justified given the animal's subsequent behavior and especially predictability? Yes, the pattern is much the same for all other living creatures, as anyone involved in husbandry will confirm. Is man special? (Take your time if you're an atheist/Darwinist)
  • How will eliminating "racism" (assuming one can, or that it is even a real problem for anybody save for talking heads and social educators) reduce the number of conflicts given our history of fratricides and strifes over the trivial?

PS: Hawaii can be diagnosed as suffering from advanced multiculturalism. It has been about 15 years since I visited, but even then, away from the tourist areas, it was clear there was an undercurrent of loathing and mistrust between the indigenous population, tourists, wealthy newcomers, and military.
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 06:02 AM

Golly, is that what they openly teach in schools nowadays?

This idea of global race mixing to breed out human races and create a single shade universal man has been around for while, but no one took it seriously until now. I wonder how many realize that it’s straight out of Comintern and Soviet vision of the future.

Obviously, it has support among governments of many ostensibly white led countries since the current immigration policies can only be interpreted as intending to race replace or permanently alter/mix existing populations. But I’m not convinced the project has been thought through. Perhaps you or someone else can help me out with several points I've never heard any liberal seriously address:

  • Why is it that only first world white countries, not just the Anglo-sphere, must suffer complete race overhaul? And why do the Japanese (God bless them) get to maintain their genetic integrity despite declining population numbers? Are you aware of UN human rights articles on race and genocide?
  • Why, in a world where “benefits of diversity” is state sanctioned mantra, must distinct races be expunged? Surely it hasn’t escaped anyone that the whole thing hinges on racial genetic differences and the luxury to evolve in separate environments, preferably free from widespread alien incursions?
  • What is the evidence for mixed, inter-species superiority at a group level v non-mixed populations for either man or animals? Ever been in the market for a puppy? Meditated on the persistent inverse relation between price and uncertain ancestry, maybe? Was the price justified given the animal's subsequent behavior and especially predictability? Yes, the pattern is much the same for all other living creatures, as anyone involved in husbandry will confirm. Is man special? (Take your time if you're an atheist/Darwinist)
  • How will eliminating "racism" (assuming one can, or that it is even a real problem for anybody save for talking heads and social educators) reduce the number of conflicts given our history of fratricides and strifes over the trivial?
PS: Hawaii can be diagnosed as suffering from advanced multiculturalism. It has been about 15 years since I visited, but even then, away from the tourist areas, it was clear there was an undercurrent of loathing and mistrust between the indigenous population, tourists, wealthy newcomers, and military.


How about live and let live, and let everybody breed with the partners of their choice, first world, "white" country or otherwise?

Edited by Buggernut, 07 January 2013 - 06:04 AM.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 06:48 AM

How about people realize that we don't need to become all race, and that the differences between "races" is only skin deep?!? We are all the same species.
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 07:56 AM

This thread is chalked full of stupid.
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 08:21 AM

Tide goes in, tide goes out. You can't explain that.

Asians aren't liberal by nature. You can't explain that.
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 10:54 AM

Tide goes in, tide goes out. You can't explain that.

Asians aren't liberal by nature. You can't explain that.

And yet until recently federally the Liberals and NDP had a virtual lock on the Asian vote.
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 11:15 AM

And yet until recently federally the Liberals and NDP had a virtual lock on the Asian vote.


And then the ones with lots of money who wanted to pay as little tax as possible came and changed all that, with head tax and internment being a long forgotten afterthought.
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 11:33 AM

Its obvious that you know little about Chinese Canadian History. The were just or even more discriminated than black people. The race riots in Vancouver in 1907, the Head Tax on them, the exclusion acts by the Federal giovernment. Even black people did not have these legislation against them.

The Chinese were denied the vote until 1947. They could not join professional assocaitions like lawyers, doctors, dentists until the the 1950's. They could not buy property in the British properties.

In the 1930's if you go to movie theaters, you were segregated to the balconies.


Compared to the experiences of black and brown people in the U.S., still not even close.
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 11:58 AM

The "black" and "brown" races were treated with kid gloves comparatively versus the way the Orientals treated each other throughout history .. atrocity was invented in Asia .. B)
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