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#1 meh_wassup

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 09:04 PM

So here's my proposal for a blockbuster trade between the Vancouver Canucks and the St Louis Blues:

To STL:
Kesler
2nd + 5th round draft pick
Ballard

To Van:
Backes

Obviously needless to say that the main pieces in this trade would be Kesler and Backes. The main reason I involved Kesler (and not Edler++) in the trade is because I believe that Kesler and Backes have some personal beef that goes a long way back so it would be tough to put them on the same line together. You just don't wanna create friction in the dressing room

From their persepective: The Blues' don't really have a shutdown centre that they can count on to play against the big names on other teams. That's exactly what they'll be getting with Kesler. Among MANY other admirable traits. They're also a little thin on D and Ballard needs a fresh start and he could be very beneficial to them if he gets off on the right foot and starts regaining his game. We need to give up something substantial (Kesler++) in order to get their captain and their best player. I think they'll be able to give up Backes because they have a lot of other very good offensive powerhouses they can count on (Berglund, Pietrangelo, Macdonald, Oshie...)

From Our perspective:
We would get a power forward with a phenomenal work ethic and a ton of leadership. Physicality and intimidation in our top six will no longer be an issue. He can also be a great mentor for Kassian and Jensen. Needless to say, David Backes has a LOT to offer. We would be dumping lots of cap space as well and they have lots of room for it (according to capgeek). Plus for a while now it seems like Kesler (and his agent) are having some issues with the management in Vancouver, it could be possible that something is boiling up.

I think this trade would really benefit both teams greatly. Let's hear it people. If possible, please support your comments with a solution (if you have a problem with the trade). Thanks
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#2 SkeeterHansen

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 09:06 PM

So we're basically just giving Ballard away?

I'd have trouble coming to terms with Kesler and a 5th for Backes, let alone adding a 2nd and Ballard.

Edited by MaximYapierre, 08 January 2013 - 09:07 PM.

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#3 Smashian Kassian

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 09:14 PM

Kesler > Backes
2nd > ?
5th > ?
Ballard > ?

Backes isn't an improvement so why overpay and why ruin our defensive depth by trading away Ballard for no reason.

Edited by Smashian Kassian, 08 January 2013 - 09:15 PM.

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 09:19 PM

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 09:24 PM

Don't see why either team would do this...
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Posted 08 January 2013 - 09:25 PM

Ballard is probably going to get bought out anyways he's just a cap dump. I don't see why you'd want a 6th/7th Dman worth 4.2 million in your system. I really like ballard but he's just too expensive and we don't have the cap for him. As for Kesler > Backes... in what way? they play a different style of game. The way I see it is we're way more in need of Backes's style of play than Kesler's. Plus Backes is their captain and their system just about revolves around him. We have to give up a a substantial amount to get him. If you have SUCH a big problem with it then forget the 2nd round draft pick
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Posted 08 January 2013 - 10:04 PM

The whole point of Gillis wanting Backes in the first places was to play on a terrifying 2nd line WITH Kesler that could also play a fantastic shutdown role. By trading one for the other we lose this trade.
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Posted 08 January 2013 - 10:08 PM

Ballard is probably going to get bought out anyways he's just a cap dump. I don't see why you'd want a 6th/7th Dman worth 4.2 million in your system. I really like ballard but he's just too expensive and we don't have the cap for him. As for Kesler > Backes... in what way? they play a different style of game. The way I see it is we're way more in need of Backes's style of play than Kesler's. Plus Backes is their captain and their system just about revolves around him. We have to give up a a substantial amount to get him. If you have SUCH a big problem with it then forget the 2nd round draft pick


Having Ballard this year will be very helpful if god forbid Edler, Garrison, or Hamhuis go down with injuries as he has shown he can play top 4 minutes (only on the left side). If he is to be traded though. Vancouver can opt. to pay the salary of up to 2.1M of his contract per year, making him VERY valuable to smaller market teams that are in need of defense. (Nashville, NYI) and maybe even some larger ones (PHI).

He will not be bought out. If there is one area this CBA has improved Vancouver's position it is in the trading of ballard.
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Posted 08 January 2013 - 10:09 PM

So here's my proposal for a blockbuster trade between the Vancouver Canucks and the St Louis Blues:

To STL:
Kesler
2nd + 5th round draft pick
Ballard

To Van:
Backes

From their persepective: The Blues' don't really have a shutdown centre that they can count on to play against the big names on other teams.


Backes is their big, shutdown center. He's a top two-way forward.

Kesler > Backes. Kesler has more offensive potential and aside from that they bring pretty much the same things. We should not be adding anything. Kesler and Backes are both part of each teams leadership core (Kesler has an "A", Backes has the "C"). They're not being moved at all.

St. Louis needs a top-pairing player to partner with Pietrangelo. Ballard is not that. They probably don't even want him at his salary.

It seems to me like this is a salary dump, and we're paying St. Louis the difference in value between Backes and Kesler + picks to take Ballard for us. We could trade Ballard for better or buy him out for free.

Overall, aside from Vancouver clearly losing, this seems like a superfluous and pointless trade.

The only deal I could seeing being made is based around Edler. But we would ask for Tarasenko or Schwartz. The Blues won't want to pay that for an impending UFA. And then we'd still need to find another top-four defenseman from somewhere else.

So in short, there is no deal to be made with St. Louis.

Edited by bossram, 08 January 2013 - 10:10 PM.

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 10:17 PM

Ballard is probably going to get bought out anyways he's just a cap dump. I don't see why you'd want a 6th/7th Dman worth 4.2 million in your system. I really like ballard but he's just too expensive and we don't have the cap for him. As for Kesler > Backes... in what way? they play a different style of game. The way I see it is we're way more in need of Backes's style of play than Kesler's. Plus Backes is their captain and their system just about revolves around him. We have to give up a a substantial amount to get him. If you have SUCH a big problem with it then forget the 2nd round draft pick


Ballard is going to stay here for the rest of the year, then we can make a descision in the offseason, no reason to trade him for nothing now when we have cap space and need him since we want a cup, his 3rd pair with Tanev is possibly the best in the league and god forbid (Knock on wood) a top guy goes down both can step into the top 4 and play seamlessly. And if the playoffs are any indication they are both going to be good player this year, I don't see any reason to ruin that right now since we have a cup in mind.

Kesler is faster, better offensively, better defensively, I love Backes don't get me wrong, he might be a better checker and he does alot of things similar but I think Kesler is better in those areas.

I wouldn't do Kesler for Backes myself, I don't want to lose Ballard either or the 2nd in this deep draft, and I also think we could get a good prospect with our 5th if we get the right player.

I just don't see any reason to do this.

Edited by Smashian Kassian, 08 January 2013 - 11:50 PM.

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 11:35 PM

fair enough, you guys don't agree with the trade. You brought up some good points and a different way to look at things. Thanks for the feedback. I'll try to think of a better proposal with St. Louis and see what I can come up with.
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 02:33 AM

fair enough, you guys don't agree with the trade. You brought up some good points and a different way to look at things. Thanks for the feedback. I'll try to think of a better proposal with St. Louis and see what I can come up with.


Don't fall into the category that eretz_canuck and canuck_travella (or whatever their usernames are) and some of those schmucks have come to be. Don't let us down M_W.

Edited by MaximYapierre, 09 January 2013 - 02:34 AM.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 07:25 PM

Don't fall into the category that eretz_canuck and canuck_travella (or whatever their usernames are) and some of those schmucks have come to be. Don't let us down M_W.


hahahah don't worry I won't. I actually like the canucks...

What about a Raymond for Chris Stewart type of deal. Of course we might have to throw a late round pick (4th/5th) in there. Stewart is a big guy who has shown in the past that he can put up solid numbers, but apparently is having some trouble with Ken Hitchcock's system and he was scratched for some games in the playoffs. We can use him in our top six and he would give us a physical edge perhaps on the Sedin line allowing Burrows and Kes to reunite. Burrows can use some of the playmaking skills he picked up (especially from behind the net) to set kes up.
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