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Posted 23 January 2013 - 07:28 PM

The Republican Party seeks to learn from its mistakes—and it wants your help

By Chris Moody, Yahoo! News | The Ticket – 6 hrs ago

http://news.yahoo.co...--election.html

CHARLOTTE, N.C.—The Republican Party is looking for advice.

To kick off this week's Republican National Committee's winter strategy session, which will focus in part on how to broaden the party's appeal to women and minority voters, the RNC on Thursday launched a website soliciting ideas and constructive criticism about what the party did wrong in 2012—and what it can do better over the next four years.

The site, which is part of its "Growth and Opportunity Project" created to analyze the last election, includes a wide-ranging survey seeking input on things such as whether Republicans should spend more or less time talking about the economy, national security, social issues or taxes. "Do you think the Republican Party shares your values?" it continues, after asking about demographics like race, age and gender. "Do you think the Republican Party listens to voters like you?"

The survey also asks about five areas where it needs improvement: "Diversity within the Party," "The Party's position on issues," "How the Party communicates with voters," "The process of selecting the best candidate" and "The Party's infrastructure and tactics used in campaigns."

Although Republicans dominated the 2010 midterm elections with gains in the House and Senate, Democrats retained control of the White House and Senate, and bolstered their minority in the House just two years later. President Barack Obama won 332 Electoral College votes and, perhaps more alarming for the GOP, enjoyed support from more than 70 percent of Hispanic and more than 95 percent of black voters.

Now, Republicans are keen to learn how to conduct better outreach to minorities and regain a foothold among a new pool of voters.

The RNC has tasked five co-chairs to lead the effort. The team, which consists of two white men, one white woman and one Hispanic woman, and a black man, will produce a report in the spring that summarizes their findings about last year's election and advice they received from RNC members and the public.

In a video accompanying the new site, RNC Chairman Reince Priebus urged voters to lend a hand in the effort.

"What do you think the party must do better? Where do we go in the future?" he asked. "We're listening."
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 07:40 PM

Step 1: Stop lying non stop to everyone about everything.
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 07:47 PM

Tear it all down, and start over again. That's the first thing they should do.
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Well I tell you what Heretic..if Tim Tebow becomes Terry Bradshaw I will shave off all my hair, convert to Christianity, go into the ministry and become a preacher.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 07:56 PM

Start by sending Reince back to Wisconsin with his tail between his legs .. he is a despicable little worm ..
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 08:21 PM

Step 1: Stop lying non stop to everyone about everything.


Step 2: convince the dems to follow step 1 as well
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 08:23 PM

Step 1: Stop lying non stop to everyone about everything.


Agreed.

SHM has the right idea.

And T7 is right on the money.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 08:27 PM

Step 2: convince the dems to follow step 1 as well



Haha true. The dems are your typical political liars though, republicans just take it to a whole new level. Like when Paul Ryan faked washing a pot in that homeless shelter. How low can one get in faking stuff then lying about it? Thats just lazy!

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 08:35 PM

Haha true. The dems are your typical political liars though, republicans just take it to a whole new level. Like when Paul Ryan faked washing a pot in that homeless shelter. How low can one get in faking stuff then lying about it? Thats just lazy!


that's because they have had the presidency... just wait till the republicans take over again and the dems need to bring lying to a whole new level. It's like and endless game of Pac-Man... each side wants to get the high score and right now the it's the dems turn.. republicans ran to get some more tokens and a pop at the snack bar till it's their turn at the game.
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 11:46 PM

It's easy. Stop pandering to those Bible thumpers and red-neck, and then focus more on the Constitution and economy.

While there are some Democrats that are racist, sexist, pro-life, etc, they know when to keep their mouth shut. Too many times the folks on the Right mouth off about their own beliefs and opinions. It's good they can believe what they want and able to say it, but that's not gonna win you votes. It certainly doesn't help giving the other side easy soundbites to work against you.

Voters hate being told what to do (eg. pay more tax, can't get an abortion, same-sex marriage, firearm control, etc). Promote greater liberty and let people keep more of their own money, and you're set.
If that doesn't work....


Oh wait.... Obama already stolen it, lol.
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 11:50 PM

It's easy. Stop pandering to those Bible thumpers and red-neck, and then focus more on the Constitution and economy.

While there are some Democrats that are racist, sexist, pro-life, etc, they know when to keep their mouth shut. Too many times the folks on the Right mouth off about their own beliefs and opinions. It's good they can believe what they want and able to say it, but that's not gonna win you votes. It certainly doesn't help giving the other side easy soundbites to work against you.

Voters hate being told what to do (eg. pay more tax, can't get an abortion, same-sex marriage, firearm control, etc). Promote greater liberty and let people keep more of their own money, and you're set.
If that doesn't work....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKMhrf4fmIQ

Oh wait.... Obama already stolen it, lol.


That is funny .. Kelsie Grammar is a turd as well ..
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 12:28 AM

It's simple really, the Republicans lose in every demographic but white males over 30, which they tend to dominate. Let's examine each demographic to see why they fail:

Adults with post-secondary education:
- States with Republican governors have across the board lower funding for education
- Those with higher education generally do not vote based on social issues, as the republican platform is largely based on social issues their focus toward key policy areas such as foreign policy, economic policy, trade policy all tend to reflect their notion of un-American = bad.
- 'citizen's united' opposed by anyone who understands it

Minorities:
- Republican platform on immigration, deportation (or should I say 'self-deportation'), the 'American-Mexico armed wall', lack of funding for social programs, utter lack of consideration for welfare funding, and the abolition of 'socialized' health care are not widely supported by minority groups.
- Republican foreign policy, 'with us or against us' never bodes well with those recently immigrated.
- Republican notions of opposing affirmative action and shrinking the social safety net are borderline racist

Women:
- The republican platform on abortion is medieval
- Bush policy on torture was highly opposed by feminist groups
- Women rank key issues such as education, child welfare, social programs and economic policy above Republican issues such as preventing gay marriage and abortion.

Non-religious or not Christian:
- Republican platform largely constituted of their interpretation of the bible
- Republican leaders frequently use bible speech to make their point
- Their understanding and interpretation of the bible constitutes solely of being a small minded redneck who opposes intellectual thought, because after all Jesus was a carpenter.

LGBT:
- Republicans oppose gay marriage
- Many republican leaders are openly anti-homosexual

Youth (18-35 demographic):
- The last republican elected was George Bush, who started 2 wars, began a policy of torture, enabled tax cuts for the rich, oversaw the economic collapse, stood idle while Katrina destroyed the south, lobbied for big oil, prevented any form of innovation or scientific policy (by this I mean the prevention of stem-cell research, the lack of funding for new energy) - all of which resonate in the minds of the young people brought up in this generation.

It then comes as no surprise that Republicans do not reflect the opinions of anyone who is not a male over 30, wealthy or a bible banger. I believe it was Margaret Hoover (Republican strategist) who said 'anyone who votes for the same party 3 times, will continue to vote for that party'. Here's to hoping she's right, and that the next vote marks the 3rd time a majority of Americans vote Democratic, leading to the inevitable demise of the 'Grand Ole' Party'.
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 12:54 AM

Here's to hoping she's right, and that the next vote marks the 3rd time a majority of Americans vote Democratic, leading to the inevitable demise of the 'Grand Ole' Party'.


So instead of attempting to fix a party and to create a healthier democratic system, you'd just rather have a 1-party dominance mirroring places like China, North Korea, and Cuba?

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 01:02 AM

So instead of attempting to fix a party and to create a healthier democratic system, you'd just rather have a 1-party dominance mirroring places like China, North Korea, and Cuba?

:picard:


Cute that you're using POL 100 logic. Yes, competition is always preferred, although I don't necessarily think it will come from the republican party - possibly with Gary Johnson the independents get a real look. It's hard to pity the republican party when they have so elegantly made their own bed.

Much of my post was constructed from a book by the aforementioned Margaret Hoover, American Individualism (sometimes I like to read 'the other side'). Anyway her book is largely devoted to how the Republican party should better reform itself to appeal to 'new voters', that being minorities, youth, LGBT and women. So yes, the republican party can reconstruct itself, although I'm of the opinion that I would rather see the party that enables such batsh*ts as the Tea Party in their caucus, die a horrible, miserable death.

So aside from using the stereotypical Picard emoticon do you have anything to contribute that might resemble a rational thought?
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 01:26 AM

1. Stop lying to everyone about "God" Mythology has no place in politics.

2. A bloody high level of accountability for spending trillions to go to war and sending tens of thousands to their deaths. This point should hold especially true for those who pride themselves on keeping taxes low and staying out of the taxpayers' pocket.
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 04:23 AM

It's simple really, the Republicans lose in every demographic but white males over 30, which they tend to dominate. Let's examine each demographic to see why they fail:

Adults with post-secondary education:
- States with Republican governors have across the board lower funding for education
- Those with higher education generally do not vote based on social issues, as the republican platform is largely based on social issues their focus toward key policy areas such as foreign policy, economic policy, trade policy all tend to reflect their notion of un-American = bad.
- 'citizen's united' opposed by anyone who understands it

Minorities:
- Republican platform on immigration, deportation (or should I say 'self-deportation'), the 'American-Mexico armed wall', lack of funding for social programs, utter lack of consideration for welfare funding, and the abolition of 'socialized' health care are not widely supported by minority groups.
- Republican foreign policy, 'with us or against us' never bodes well with those recently immigrated.
- Republican notions of opposing affirmative action and shrinking the social safety net are borderline racist

Women:
- The republican platform on abortion is medieval
- Bush policy on torture was highly opposed by feminist groups
- Women rank key issues such as education, child welfare, social programs and economic policy above Republican issues such as preventing gay marriage and abortion.

Non-religious or not Christian:
- Republican platform largely constituted of their interpretation of the bible
- Republican leaders frequently use bible speech to make their point
- Their understanding and interpretation of the bible constitutes solely of being a small minded redneck who opposes intellectual thought, because after all Jesus was a carpenter.

LGBT:
- Republicans oppose gay marriage
- Many republican leaders are openly anti-homosexual

Youth (18-35 demographic):
- The last republican elected was George Bush, who started 2 wars, began a policy of torture, enabled tax cuts for the rich, oversaw the economic collapse, stood idle while Katrina destroyed the south, lobbied for big oil, prevented any form of innovation or scientific policy (by this I mean the prevention of stem-cell research, the lack of funding for new energy) - all of which resonate in the minds of the young people brought up in this generation.

It then comes as no surprise that Republicans do not reflect the opinions of anyone who is not a male over 30, wealthy or a bible banger. I believe it was Margaret Hoover (Republican strategist) who said 'anyone who votes for the same party 3 times, will continue to vote for that party'. Here's to hoping she's right, and that the next vote marks the 3rd time a majority of Americans vote Democratic, leading to the inevitable demise of the 'Grand Ole' Party'.

Cute that you're using POL 100 logic. Yes, competition is always preferred, although I don't necessarily think it will come from the republican party - possibly with Gary Johnson the independents get a real look. It's hard to pity the republican party when they have so elegantly made their own bed.

Much of my post was constructed from a book by the aforementioned Margaret Hoover, American Individualism (sometimes I like to read 'the other side'). Anyway her book is largely devoted to how the Republican party should better reform itself to appeal to 'new voters', that being minorities, youth, LGBT and women. So yes, the republican party can reconstruct itself, although I'm of the opinion that I would rather see the party that enables such batsh*ts as the Tea Party in their caucus, die a horrible, miserable death.

So aside from using the stereotypical Picard emoticon do you have anything to contribute that might resemble a rational thought?

Gary Johnson is a Libertarian, not an Independent.

The reason I pointed that out was not to be a douche but to correct you because you didn't seem to give much credit to the vast amount of upper middle class and rich people who vote highly, and vote Republican for their own wallets and on the economy, even though the few fiscally responsible Republican Congressmen get their voices shut out by the liberal spending neoconservatives.

If Democrats could show they were in the least bit fiscally responsible they might grab some of those people, of course, if Democrats also somewhat abandon this silly green movement too.
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 06:54 AM

Gary Johnson is a Libertarian, not an Independent.

The reason I pointed that out was not to be a douche but to correct you because you didn't seem to give much credit to the vast amount of upper middle class and rich people who vote highly, and vote Republican for their own wallets and on the economy, even though the few fiscally responsible Republican Congressmen get their voices shut out by the liberal spending neoconservatives.

If Democrats could show they were in the least bit fiscally responsible they might grab some of those people, of course, if Democrats also somewhat abandon this silly green movement too.


Right I'm going to stop you right there. What exactly is silly about the "Green" movement? What is silly about wanting to preserve our environment? What is silly about wanting to find a more reliable and cost-effective energy source that would greatly reduce spending on foreign oil? What is silly about wanting evil nasty corporations like Monsanto to be REQUIRED to label their genetically modified foods? What is silly about not having a penchant for violence?
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Well I tell you what Heretic..if Tim Tebow becomes Terry Bradshaw I will shave off all my hair, convert to Christianity, go into the ministry and become a preacher.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 07:24 AM

Right I'm going to stop you right there. What exactly is silly about the "Green" movement? What is silly about wanting to preserve our environment? What is silly about wanting to find a more reliable and cost-effective energy source that would greatly reduce spending on foreign oil? What is silly about wanting evil nasty corporations like Monsanto to be REQUIRED to label their genetically modified foods? What is silly about not having a penchant for violence?

The green movement tends to ignore that an economy exists, tends to make a mockery of science, and is just as bad as social conservatism in their implementations of social engineering. These utopian wishes are one thing, what is actually done is another.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 07:36 AM

The green movement tends to ignore that an economy exists, tends to make a mockery of science, and is just as bad as social conservatism in their implementations of social engineering. These utopian wishes are one thing, what is actually done is another.


Let it never be said I'm not a dreamer, zaibatsu. I realize quite well that my ideas and those of the ones who think like me are "utopian". That's the sad part of the whole thing. I will take umbrage at "makes a mockery of science" however. I would have to see that backed up by evidence. If GMOs are the future when it comes to food science I want no further part of food science.

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Well I tell you what Heretic..if Tim Tebow becomes Terry Bradshaw I will shave off all my hair, convert to Christianity, go into the ministry and become a preacher.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 09:15 AM

just promise free money, phones and endless food stamps. worked for Obama and the Democrats.
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 10:06 AM

just promise free money, phones and endless food stamps. worked for Obama and the Democrats.


tax breaks for the "job creators," less regulations and bank bailouts ring a bell? Yes I know that Bush actually did try to put in some regulations.. but repubs had control of BOTH houses and had a rubber stamp in the white house, if they wanted to put in more regulations, they could have done it. Bank bailouts might have been signed by Obama, but it was mostly done under Bush.
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 10:08 AM

just promise free money, phones and endless food stamps. worked for Obama and the Democrats.


Oh... the inaccuracies.
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 10:09 AM

The green movement tends to ignore that an economy exists, tends to make a mockery of science, and is just as bad as social conservatism in their implementations of social engineering. These utopian wishes are one thing, what is actually done is another.


Man, for someone who goes on and on about how 'anti-gun nuts' exaggerate things, you sure are a hypocrite.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 10:18 AM

Gerrymandering is the only thing that got them the house majority this time and they aim to continue down that path to steal the next presidential election too.
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 10:30 AM

Gary Johnson is a Libertarian, not an Independent.

The reason I pointed that out was not to be a douche but to correct you because you didn't seem to give much credit to the vast amount of upper middle class and rich people who vote highly, and vote Republican for their own wallets and on the economy, even though the few fiscally responsible Republican Congressmen get their voices shut out by the liberal spending neoconservatives.

If Democrats could show they were in the least bit fiscally responsible they might grab some of those people, of course, if Democrats also somewhat abandon this silly green movement too.

The green movement tends to ignore that an economy exists, tends to make a mockery of science, and is just as bad as social conservatism in their implementations of social engineering. These utopian wishes are one thing, what is actually done is another.


I suppose Tesla is a complete failure because targeting new forms of green energy is an idealistic waste of time?

Green tech is the future of innovation policy. This was proven years ago when Toyota cornered the hybrid market with the Prius. American car companies have been chasing them ever since, even the Chevy Volt was behind the Nissan Leaf in terms of extended range.

Beyond just car manufacturers and the GIGANTIC portion of their respective economies that they represent, new forms of energy are the ultimate goal for innovators. I imagine you being one of the proud Americans who frequently is quoted as saying: we invented electricity, we invented the automobile! Well it's time for America to start inventing again. New energy forms such as the hydrogen fuel cell, clean sources of energy, and green technology are the ultimate goal to move away from foreign oil dependency, and the wars it inevitably causes. Needless to say there is money in green technology, Spain has seen substantial growth with it's production of wind turbines, Korea has embarked on projects that power entire communities with hydrogen fuel cells, Germany's transit system uses fuel cells created in British Columbia.

You can put down green technology all you want, call it idealistic, beat your chest to say American manufacturing will always be superior, while the rest of the world proves you wrong and surges ahead.
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 10:32 AM

Gerrymandering is the only thing that got them the house majority this time and they aim to continue down that path to steal the next presidential election too.


Not only that, I'm sure they'll continue their schemes like Voter Identification aimed solely to prevent minority groups the ability to vote.
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 10:39 AM

Let it never be said I'm not a dreamer, zaibatsu. I realize quite well that my ideas and those of the ones who think like me are "utopian". That's the sad part of the whole thing. I will take umbrage at "makes a mockery of science" however. I would have to see that backed up by evidence. If GMOs are the future when it comes to food science I want no further part of food science.


So science is good until you disagree with it?

I hate to tell you but 99.99% of the food you already it is genetically modified. Ever see what a wild (insert any fruit, vegetable, or animal) variant looks like? Often nothing at all like what it started as. Hundreds or thousands of years of selective breeding have already genetically modified everything around you!
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 10:47 AM

I suppose Tesla is a complete failure because targeting new forms of green energy is an idealistic waste of time?

Green tech is the future of innovation policy. This was proven years ago when Toyota cornered the hybrid market with the Prius. American car companies have been chasing them ever since, even the Chevy Volt was behind the Nissan Leaf in terms of extended range.

Beyond just car manufacturers and the GIGANTIC portion of their respective economies that they represent, new forms of energy are the ultimate goal for innovators. I imagine you being one of the proud Americans who frequently is quoted as saying: we invented electricity, we invented the automobile! Well it's time for America to start inventing again. New energy forms such as the hydrogen fuel cell, clean sources of energy, and green technology are the ultimate goal to move away from foreign oil dependency, and the wars it inevitably causes. Needless to say there is money in green technology, Spain has seen substantial growth with it's production of wind turbines, Korea has embarked on projects that power entire communities with hydrogen fuel cells, Germany's transit system uses fuel cells created in British Columbia.

You can put down green technology all you want, call it idealistic, beat your chest to say American manufacturing will always be superior, while the rest of the world proves you wrong and surges ahead.


I was unaware the US government was banning the creation of clean energy sources.

Are you suggesting that the US government start up a new arm of government to compete with the private sector to create this green energy?

Or should they simply shovel money (that the government has none of btw) to those private companies that happen to be in the pet industry of the day? More corporate welfare sure sounds like a plan of success!

Not that the republicans are any darlings of fiscal responsibility but this would be going in the wrong direction. Some sensible fiscal responsibility would go a long way to winning over a lot of swing voters. Of course with the Americans for Tax Reform biting at their heals the chances of that are slim to none.
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 11:04 AM

I was unaware the US government was banning the creation of clean energy sources.

Are you suggesting that the US government start up a new arm of government to compete with the private sector to create this green energy?

Or should they simply shovel money (that the government has none of btw) to those private companies that happen to be in the pet industry of the day? More corporate welfare sure sounds like a plan of success!

Not that the republicans are any darlings of fiscal responsibility but this would be going in the wrong direction. Some sensible fiscal responsibility would go a long way to winning over a lot of swing voters. Of course with the Americans for Tax Reform biting at their heals the chances of that are slim to none.


My earlier point was that the Bush administration banned all funding for science/innovation policy. It has since led down this discourse.

Yes, I absolutely believe more funding should be directed towards innovation and green technoloy. It is the future of the global economy. Even now you can cite the success of Apple with the iPhone and iPad, of how a slight innovation lead in the touch screen has enabled substantial growth, and the ensuing effect on the American economy.

No, I was never suggesting a separate sector be set up to compete with private business. I was only suggesting the already established system of research universities to develop new technology with the assistance of public funding. The private sphere just takes the innovators of the universities for their own purposes anyway, leading to growth within the economy. I'm not sure where you're getting this idea of competition between the two.

I understand you're not the biggest Republican fanatic though your opinion comes across as distinctly republican. More corporate welfare? Since when are massive corporations struggling with lack of support inside congress? I suppose tax cuts aren't enough for you.

I'll do some digging right now to find a layman's article on the TIGER economies. The gist of it is basically that economies such as Norway, S.Korea, Taiwan, and Sweden have seen economic growth through technological innovation. Relatively small economies are doing better per capita than America and it's lack of innovation policy. Anyways, I appreciate the attempt at discussion though your argument comes across as uninformed.
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 11:29 AM

For the Republican party to win the White House, it needs to accomplish one out of two goals. Empty the clown car and win based on a platform that will legitimately benefit the country, or successfully bend and break the rules until a win is guaranteed (their current strategy). Just this last week Republicans in Virginia pushed through a bill that redraws the congressional voting districts to heavily favour Republicans. Even though Virginia state representation is split 20-20 between Repubs and Dems, the Repubs were successful because they held the vote on the day a Dem rep was in Washington to attend Obama's inauguraton. Combine these tactics with their voter suppression tactics and they just might win it. Of course the results of winning on the foundation of such tactics is currently unpredictable (I imagine it would be similar to Occupy but with about 20 million more people).

If the Repubs are honestly looking to become a party to better the country, they need to dump the irrationals. Tea Partiers, Creationists and Flat-Earthers will continue to drive the voters to the Dems just by opening their fool mouths. It also doesn't help when the presidential nominee publicly endorses one of these yahoos days before said yahoo makes an eyebrow raising comment about rape (the Dems thank you Mr. Murdoch). If the Repubs reign in their crazies and publicly denounce their trash instead of trying to tap dance around it like Twinkle Toes Romney, they have a real chance of connecting to the voters who inhabit the middle. Do I think the Repubs will have that balls to dump their nutbars? Nope. They already allowed those nutbars to take over legitimate Republican's jobs in congress, good luck getting them to rescind that power. The Repubs made their bed, now they have to cheat their way out of it.

Overall, what both parties need to do is shut the hell up with the over the top rhetoric. What the media needs to do is stop feeding and perpetuating it. If debates were actually more courtroom and less spectacle, rhetoric would become a hinderance as opposed to an asset (and good riddance IMO).
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 01:04 PM

Oh... the inaccuracies.


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