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Posted 06 February 2013 - 08:44 PM

For sure...

What can we get from TO for sure?
What can we get from Florida for sure?
etc, etc...
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 08:45 PM

You tell me, you're the one refuting it. By they way, Kings may not have won the Presidents Trophy - but they did win a little thing called the Stanley Cup recently. It would suggest they have a pretty good team as well.

Was comparing Berniers SP to Lous..not that dissimilar last season...so why slight Bernier...was just a comparison to put his SP into prospective.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 08:52 PM

Yeah, Manny Malhotra is no doubt that 1st line C that Buffalo has long coveted.


As a matter of fact, they could use Malhotra.
They have been getting absolutely owned in the faceoff circle lately and their last game against Ottawa they went 15 for 52. If you're having such a hard time figuring out why they aren't winning, you don't need to look much further than their top two centers - one can't play hockey in his own end of the ice (did you see the Ottawa game?), the other is 157lbs - a nightmare to find the right matchups for these two - over their head. Hodgson and Ennis are not ready to play those roles. Derek Roy's gotta be looking pretty good right about now.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 08:57 PM

Irrelevant. Reimer has outperformed Bernier at the NHL level, that's all that matters - is Reimer worth a good player and a high pick. I think not. In fact the Leafs are looking to add a veteran nevertheless. What is the market for Bernier?


Not irrelevant. If you're taken that high in the draft, there are a lot of expectations. Remember how good Schneider was in the AHL? 84-45-5, .920 SVP, 2.31 GAA, 12 SO? Well, Bernier was 54-46-11, .927 SVP, 2.19 GAA, 14 SO. Ridiculous.

And really, he's been good enough at the NHL level to not think that he won't live up to his potential. Situationally, it's just a bad fit; again, like Schneider in Vancouver, behind Luongo. Jonathan Quick basically beat him to the punch, and he's not going anywhere now.

I'm not sure what the market is for Bernier, exactly, but you've gotta think that there'd be a whole heap of interest by the usual suspects (and many more, realistically) that are involved in the Luongo proposals.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 09:00 PM

Not irrelevant. If you're taken that high in the draft, there are a lot of expectations. Remember how good Schneider was in the AHL? 84-45-5, .920 SVP, 2.31 GAA, 12 SO? Well, Bernier was 54-46-11, .927 SVP, 2.19 GAA, 14 SO. Ridiculous.

And really, he's been good enough at the NHL level to not think that he won't live up to his potential. Situationally, it's just a bad fit; again, like Schneider in Vancouver, behind Luongo. Jonathan Quick basically beat him to the punch, and he's not going anywhere now.

I'm not sure what the market is for Bernier, exactly, but you've gotta think that there'd be a whole heap of interest by the usual suspects (and many more, realistically) that are involved in the Luongo proposals.


Bernier's been known to be available for quite some time now. What have you heard?
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 09:01 PM

What is something that Lu can bring us back for sure? Specifics?
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 09:03 PM

As a matter of fact, they could use Malhotra.
They have been getting absolutely owned in the faceoff circle lately and their last game against Ottawa they went 15 for 52. If you're having such a hard time figuring out why they aren't winning, you don't need to look much further than their top two centers - one can't play hockey in his own end of the ice (did you see the Ottawa game?), the other is 157lbs - a nightmare to find the right matchups for these two - over their head. Hodgson and Ennis are not ready to play those roles. Derek Roy's gotta be looking pretty good right about now.


Yeah, I'm sure they're losing because they don't have a $2.5M "faceoff specialist". That ought to be the reason.

And Derek Roy probably isn't the best idea if size is a concern; all 5'9" and 184 lbs. of him. They probably don't miss his $4M cap hit, either, which has currently translated to 0 goals and 3 assists in Dallas. I suspect that they're very content with Cody.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 09:07 PM

Yeah, I'm sure they're losing because they don't have a $2.5M "faceoff specialist". That ought to be the reason.

And Derek Roy probably isn't the best idea if size is a concern; all 5'9" and 184 lbs. of him. They probably don't miss his $4M cap hit, either, which has currently translated to 0 goals and 3 assists in Dallas. I suspect that they're very content with Cody.


Why are you and others talking about this, its quite pointless, if all you guys are here to do is argue about nonsense than go join a debate club or some sH@#. Seriously this is a trade Lu discussion thread, stay on topic..its rather annoying going through pages of pages of useless info.

What do you think we could get for sure for Lu, tell me that ES..
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 09:11 PM

Yeah, I'm sure they're losing because they don't have a $2.5M "faceoff specialist". That ought to be the reason.


Haha, yes, they're losing because they don't have Malhotra...
But why are they losing? 1-6-1 since some folks here wink wink had them pencilled in to win the NE...
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 09:11 PM

This thread is turning into one giant pissing match.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 09:12 PM

Why are you and others talking about this, its quite pointless, if all you guys are here to do is argue about nonsense than go join a debate club or some sH@#. Seriously this is a trade Lu discussion thread, stay on topic..its rather annoying going through pages of pages of useless info.

What do you think we could get for sure for Lu, tell me that ES..

first - Malhotra was included in a proposal a page ago (which will probably occur with much more frequency now that he has his own official Malhotra has to go thread...)

second - "table scraps".

Edited by oldnews, 06 February 2013 - 09:19 PM.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 09:19 PM

Ryan Miller says hi?

He's Terri-awful.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 09:20 PM

This thread is turning into one giant pissing match.


No doubt, some poster jokingly posts about Sabres needing a 1C and that Manny would fit the bill and the next thing you know is these guys go crazy over that, any normal person just gets a good chuckle out of it and moves on, but NOO these guys start spewing random facts about what is' and what ifs. It was comical in 1.0, 2.0 and even 3.0 now its just getting annoying. What real satisfaction is there to prove yourself to be some hockey genius? Stay on topic, lets hear something insightful, something that viewers of the topic could actually appreciate. Most members dont even come to this thread any more cause of all the non related garbage in it.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 09:24 PM

Bernier's been known to be available for quite some time now. What have you heard?

The only thing I've heard about Bernier is the Leafs have passed. I don't remember if that before or after the Burke firing, but it would makes sense (as you've explained) that they wouldn't bother making a lateral move for a goalie that isn't more proven or established than the two they already have. The market for Bernier isn't the same as the market for Luongo, although there may be some overlap for teams with no hope in net.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 09:24 PM

My best guess is that we are seeking a big and tough young blueliner, a big 3rd line centre and a back-up goalie. If he cam squeeze a pick too he'll take it, of course. Something like Matthias, Ellerby, Clemmensen and a 2nd for Lou and another smallish piece.If it differs much more than this in shape and player molds I'll be pretty surprised but, on the other hand, MG has always surprised me before.


That package does address a lot of our holes. +1

I'm still hopeful for a piece with a higher ceiling (although I suppose Ellerby could become one of the league's defensive beasts - he's only 24).
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 09:25 PM

first - Malhotra was included in a proposal a page ago (which will probably occur with much more frequency now that he has his own official Malhotra has to go thread...)

second - "table scraps".


I m sure no team would take Manny and his salary, hes coming off the books anyways, plus I think he could be useful for us, great depth and f/o abilities (could have used him in San Jose).

As long as the scraps can add offense...
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 09:28 PM

That package does address a lot of our holes. +1

I'm still hopeful for a piece with a higher ceiling (although I suppose Ellerby could become one of the league's defensive beasts - he's only 24).


Those guys are also reasonable cap hits on ELCs who wouldn't command huge contracts when they renegotiate as RFAs - and Ellerby would be a nice player to have in the system is a contract has to be moved to fit under the cap next year.

Edited by oldnews, 06 February 2013 - 09:35 PM.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 09:32 PM

That package does address a lot of our holes. +1

I'm still hopeful for a piece with a higher ceiling (although I suppose Ellerby could become one of the league's defensive beasts - he's only 24).


In terms of 3C we need someone who is good at f/o and defense and has some playmaking capabilities. And yea size would be great since we ll probably have to meet teams like Sharks and Ducks in the playoffs. If we are getting a D prospect, same thing applies about size but if the Dman isn't going to be big he should be similar to Ehroff in terms of ability and skating.

Edit: Do you think those guys fit the profile?

Edited by iluvbc, 06 February 2013 - 09:34 PM.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 09:37 PM

The only thing I've heard about Bernier is the Leafs have passed. I don't remember if that before or after the Burke firing, but it would makes sense (as you've explained) that they wouldn't bother making a lateral move for a goalie that isn't more proven or established than the two they already have. The market for Bernier isn't the same as the market for Luongo, although there may be some overlap for teams with no hope in net.


Thats good news for us, plus makes sense because leafs probably look at what they have and probably dont see too much more being added on for the price they would have to pay. I m sure Kings think highly of him and wont give him away cheap (however seeing the trade they made today lol you never know).
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 09:48 PM

I m sure no team would take Manny and his salary, hes coming off the books anyways, plus I think he could be useful for us, great depth and f/o abilities (could have used him in San Jose).

As long as the scraps can add offense...


Actually, I'd think that Malhotra would fit the bill as a playoff rental kind of guy, and I wouldn't be surprised to see another team which thinks it can go deep in the playoffs paying to get him, assuming the Canucks decided to move him.

There are a number of teams which are well below the cap ceiling, who are looking like they will make the playoffs. They could absorb Malhotra's contract easily.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 09:52 PM

Actually, I'd think that Malhotra would fit the bill as a playoff rental kind of guy, and I wouldn't be surprised to see another team which thinks it can go deep in the playoffs paying to get him, assuming the Canucks decided to move him.

There are a number of teams which are well below the cap ceiling, who are looking like they will make the playoffs. They could absorb Malhotra's contract easily.

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What would we get in return? a 3rd :) which we ll keep and throw our own third into the Lu deal to sweeten it a bit to get Bjugstad :)
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 09:56 PM

What would we get in return? a 3rd :) which we ll keep and throw our own third into the Lu deal to sweeten it a bit to get Bjugstad :)


Bjugstad is too young and not skilled enough. It would be a risk to trade for Bjugstad.
I would try aiming for Kessel, if he continues to play unproductively. We may be able to use him for 2nd or 3rd line.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 09:59 PM

Bjugstad is too young and not skilled enough. It would be a risk to trade for Bjugstad.
I would try aiming for Kessel, if he continues to play unproductively. We may be able to use him for 2nd or 3rd line.



Honestly I think he would be a good fit as well, we need to add offense, he would instantly have one of the best shots on this team. But we could also add some size and prospects of the blue chip variety.

Edit: Kessel is the "he"

Edited by iluvbc, 06 February 2013 - 10:20 PM.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 10:02 PM

Honestly I think he would be a good fit as well, we need to add offense, he would instantly have one of the best shots on this team. But we could also add some size and prospects of the blue chip variety.


The thing is, with Luongo having a spectacular start to the season, his value will definitely appreciate. I would think he can be traded for much more than a guy such as Bjugstad and an average pick.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 10:07 PM

For sure...

What can we get from TO for sure?
What can we get from Florida for sure?
etc, etc...


The most honest answer to your question(s) is: who knows? I haven't heard any GM say that he offered a particular package. We have heard a lot of supposition and rumor.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 10:09 PM

The thing is, with Luongo having a spectacular start to the season, his value will definitely appreciate. I would think he can be traded for much more than a guy such as Bjugstad and an average pick.


Yea reminds them of the skill and professionalism he can bring. Also star power and cred he brings. He would boost any teams overall confidence.

I think in all fairness if GMMG is asking for a great package in return he should get it but he should also at least take some salary back, if it can be amnestied or maneuvered. Since we do unload a lot of money.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 10:12 PM

The most honest answer to your question(s) is: who knows? I haven't heard any GM say that he offered a particular package. We have heard a lot of supposition and rumor.

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I have but i cant put that on here, its a principle thing :) i did tell one poster colleague but after i felt I shouldn't have, so no more. Trust me I wanna tell everyone haha.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 10:14 PM

My best guess is that we are seeking a big and tough young blueliner, a big 3rd line centre and a back-up goalie. If he cam squeeze a pick too he'll take it, of course. Something like Matthias, Ellerby, Clemmensen and a 2nd for Lou and another smallish piece.If it differs much more than this in shape and player molds I'll be pretty surprised but, on the other hand, MG has always surprised me before.


If the Canucks are going after Matthias and Ellerby I still think they should target a player with a higher ceiling. Matthias fills a roll on the third line, and Ellerby adds depth on D, but they dont offer much more than that going forward. Even if Bjugstad and Gudbranson are off the table Drew Shore, Alex Petrovic, or Quinton Howden would be a nice piece to add in.

Matthias, Ellerby, and Shore/Petrovic/Howden looks a lot better to me than Matthias, Ellerby, Clemmensen, and a second.

We could figure out the back up roll in a seperate trade.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 10:16 PM

I have but i cant put that on here, its a principle thing :) i did tell one poster colleague but after i felt I shouldn't have, so no more. Trust me I wanna tell everyone haha.


However, since we don't know each other and your situation is an unknown, what choice would we have except to slot anything you say as more rumor? :)

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 10:19 PM

My best guess is that we are seeking a big and tough young blueliner, a big 3rd line centre and a back-up goalie. If he cam squeeze a pick too he'll take it, of course. Something like Matthias, Ellerby, Clemmensen and a 2nd for Lou and another smallish piece.If it differs much more than this in shape and player molds I'll be pretty surprised but, on the other hand, MG has always surprised me before.


I wonder if they are good skaters and character guys with an edge, cause if they are get 'er done MG. Both at 6'4. We should thrown in something that would make it sweet enough to get their first :)
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