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#1 bluesman60

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 11:07 AM

Does anyone know why Bieksa and Garrison are playing on the opposite side to their natural position?
The 1st pairing does not make sense either. We have a shortsge of R dmen and the top pairing has 2 lefties.....why not put Bieksa back out with Hamhuis?
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 11:15 AM

Harrison and Edler were a bad pairing that were exposed big time; coaching staff feels better with Hamhius backing up Edler while Edler figures out playing the off side.

Garrison and Bieksa aren't playing on the opposite side. So I don't know where that came from.

Edited by mpt, 21 February 2013 - 11:16 AM.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 11:28 AM

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Harrison and Edler were a bad pairing that were exposed big time;  coaching staff feels better with Hamhius backing up Edler while Edler figures out playing the off side.

Garrison and Bieksa aren't playing on the opposite side. So I don't know where that came from.


Wasn't Bieksa playing the right side? If he is supposed to be on the left side as you say, then why is Tanev on the right side (being a right shooting dman)?All this shuffling is getting confusing. Maybe I am having a brainf**t...lol.

Edited by bluesman60, 21 February 2013 - 11:30 AM.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 11:39 AM

The pairings used to look like this:

Hamhuis - Bieksa
Edler - Garrison
Ballard - Tanev


At the start of the season, they were very sloppy. So AV started trying something new and juggling everyone around.
Bieksa has been playing very well on the left lately, so AV is probably trying out the old pairing again but in reversed order.
Edler needs to play well defensively, and Tanev has been playing very well so AV is trying them out.
Garrison needs a spark, so AV is trying him out with Ballard.

All and all, the new pairings each have the ability to be great defensively, as well as a threat offensively.

Bieksa - Hamhuis
Edler - Tanev
Ballard - Garrison

Don't hate it until you see how it turns out.

Edited by Tystick, 21 February 2013 - 11:39 AM.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 11:50 AM

The pairings used to look like this:

Hamhuis - Bieksa
Edler - Garrison
Ballard - Tanev


At the start of the season, they were very sloppy. So AV started trying something new and juggling everyone around.
Bieksa has been playing very well on the left lately, so AV is probably trying out the old pairing again but in reversed order.
Edler needs to play well defensively, and Tanev has been playing very well so AV is trying them out.
Garrison needs a spark, so AV is trying him out with Ballard.

All and all, the new pairings each have the ability to be great defensively, as well as a threat offensively.

Bieksa - Hamhuis
Edler - Tanev
Ballard - Garrison

Don't hate it until you see how it turns out.

They were...

Hamhuis - Bieksa
Garrison - Edler
Ballard - Tanev

Then...

Hamhuis - Edler
Garrison - Bieksa
Ballard - Tanev

And now...

Hamhuis - Bieksa
Edler - Tanev
Garrison - Ballard
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 11:55 AM

The pairings used to look like this:

Hamhuis - Bieksa
Edler - Garrison
Ballard - Tanev


At the start of the season, they were very sloppy. So AV started trying something new and juggling everyone around.
Bieksa has been playing very well on the left lately, so AV is probably trying out the old pairing again but in reversed order.
Edler needs to play well defensively, and Tanev has been playing very well so AV is trying them out.
Garrison needs a spark, so AV is trying him out with Ballard.

All and all, the new pairings each have the ability to be great defensively, as well as a threat offensively.

Bieksa - Hamhuis
Edler - Tanev
Ballard - Garrison

Don't hate it until you see how it turns out.


I don't hate it nand what you posted makes sense. If it works against Dallas tonight, I will be estatic.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 12:15 PM

Gotta love having 8.8 million on your 3rd pairing
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 12:22 PM

Gotta love having 8.8 million on your 3rd pairing


whatever gets you wins.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 12:27 PM

Gotta love having 8.8 million on your 3rd pairing


Money well spent....

But, as long as they are playing decent and we're winning, it's not an issue
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 12:29 PM

Also, keep in mind that if AV continues to spread out the 5 on 5 minutes for the blueliners, there isn't really a true "3rd pairing".

We should all be thankful that we have 6 guys on the backend that are as skilled as they are. Now, having them play to their potential is an entirely different story...
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 12:35 PM

Gotta love having 8.8 million on your 3rd pairing


So the way to determine what the pairings should be is by the amount they're being paid? So by your logic...

Garrison-Bieksa
Hamhuis-Ballard
Edler-Alberts

I'm sorry, but those pairings are terrible. Besides, 8.8 million is the average amount we pay per pairing (Hamhuis-Bieksa is 9.1 million, and next year Edler-Tanev will be around 7 million)
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 12:36 PM

Gotta love having 8.8 million on your 3rd pairing


It doesn't really matter where you play your dmen as long as they do the job....it doesn't change the dollar amount for the dmen.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 12:38 PM

They were...

Hamhuis - Bieksa
Garrison - Edler
Ballard - Tanev

Then...

Hamhuis - Edler
Garrison - Bieksa
Ballard - Tanev

And now...

Hamhuis - Bieksa
Edler - Tanev
Garrison - Ballard


It ^ looked like some kind of math savant progression AV's got going her, (And I'm really bored) using this history, I predict next week will look like:

Hamhuis - Edler
Bieksa - Tanev
Garrison - Ballard

(No, I'm not really serious, but if he does go with this set up, remember you heard it here first.)
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 12:39 PM

They were...

Hamhuis - Bieksa
Garrison - Edler
Ballard - Tanev

Then...

Hamhuis - Edler
Garrison - Bieksa
Ballard - Tanev

And now...

Hamhuis - Bieksa
Edler - Tanev
Garrison - Ballard


So the line that's playing best is the only one he didn't touch so he has to mess with it as well... Lol

It may work out but I'd like to see a little more love for Ballard he's been playing well its like AV wants him to fail.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 12:56 PM

Look I think Ballard's played PLENTY well enough to get promoted as well, but it's not like the pairings dictated a huge gap in minutes before (aka our 3rd pairing isn't really a 3rd pairing to begin with) and honestly this move doesn't seem to be putting Ballard in the doghouse at all. Tanev plays naturally on the right side which will help Edler out. Ballard did wonders for Tanev's game IMO this season and I'm thinking AV/Bones are hoping he can do the same for Garrison. I'm much more assured with a Garrison-Ballard pairing - which looks steadier and more balanced - than a Garrison-Tanev pairing. Maybe they'll even try Garrison on the right side... he played there a bit last year didnt he?

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 12:56 PM

It ^ looked like some kind of math savant progression AV's got going her, (And I'm really bored) using this history, I predict next week will look like:

Hamhuis - Edler
Bieksa - Tanev
Garrison - Ballard

(No, I'm not really serious, but if he does go with this set up, remember you heard it here first.)

Zero chance they'll have two righties playing together when they have two lefties playing the right side.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 01:07 PM

Garrison will end up being one of our allotted buyouts. Terrible signing. He is the weak link at the moment. We need him gone and replaced with a capable and right shooting D.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 01:21 PM

I'd say if Garrison doesn't pick it up, try benching him and put in Barker for a while.
I'm really interested in seeing how he will do.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 01:21 PM

Garrison will end up being one of our allotted buyouts. Terrible signing. He is the weak link at the moment. We need him gone and replaced with a capable and right shooting D.


Not saying you will be wrong but I hope you are.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 01:22 PM

Poor Tanev, goes from Ballard's excellent defensive play to that train wreck.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 01:33 PM

Not saying you will be wrong but I hope you are.


I hope I am wrong too. But I'm not so hopeful to be honest!
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 01:36 PM

Nice to see Hamhuis - Bieksa back as a pairing. Hopefully they click like we all know they can. On the other hand, it's sad to see the Ballard - Tanev pairing split, but it makes sense to try these pairing out tonight.

Poor Ballard. Garrison has made every D partner he's played with look horrible on numerous occasions.

Edit: If Garrison doesn't pan out for us, then I say we buy him out and as somebody mentioned above, we get a gritty and reliable RIGHT SHOT defenseman.

Edited by CookieCrumbs, 21 February 2013 - 01:38 PM.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 01:47 PM

They were...

Hamhuis - Bieksa
Garrison - Edler
Ballard - Tanev

Then...

Hamhuis - Edler
Garrison - Bieksa
Ballard - Tanev

And now...

Hamhuis - Bieksa
Edler - Tanev
Garrison - Ballard

They were...

Hamhuis - Bieksa
Garrison - Edler
Ballard - Tanev

Then...

Hamhuis - Edler
Garrison - Bieksa
Ballard - Tanev

And now...

Hamhuis - Bieksa
Edler - Tanev
Garrison - Ballard


Im concerned what this will do to Ballards game. I would hate for the shakeup to mess with him. But if Ballard can learn to set up Garrison, that is a pretty shifty physical pairing, with some nice wheels. Hopefully Tanev has the same effect on Edler as he has on Ballard. Edler has been a liability in his own end all season long.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 02:02 PM

Imo, AV experimenting at this point and seeing how they respond makes sense - they may have to resort to different pairings later on due to injury, and they're better off getting this under their belts sooner rather than later.

I find the talk of a Garrison buyout hilarious - impatient and way overdone.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 02:48 PM

They were...

Hamhuis - Bieksa
Garrison - Edler
Ballard - Tanev

Then...

Hamhuis - Edler
Garrison - Bieksa
Ballard - Tanev

And now...

Hamhuis - Bieksa
Edler - Tanev
Garrison - Ballard

It's this. ^^

I don't know where the OP is getting the other stuff from.

So, not sure what else to talk about:
  • Bieksa's still on the right side and Garrison's still on the left
  • We only have two right handed D so one pairing is going to have two left handed D, doesn't matter what pairing it is (in this case it's the 3rd not the 1st even if it was previously)
With the way things have been going, AVs trying something different since our team defence hasn't been great. Ballard and Tanev have been good together, but against lesser opposition so they'll potentially have a chance to play against tougher players (certainly at least Tanev being up with Edler).

Edited by elvis15, 21 February 2013 - 02:49 PM.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 05:23 PM

Whatever gets the defence going on all cylinders I am all for. On paper our top 6 Dmen could rival any other teams but they have been average overall at best.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 10:46 PM

Edler's play much better back on the left side with Tanev steadying him down - how this kid does that is pretty damned amazing. I do beieve a couple of people on CDC were calling for that, props to them. And Ballard, now that he is on his game doesn;t seem to have any problem playing on the right - at least not tonite. The defence had a few lost checks tonite, but nothing like the fire-drill of the past few games - though I guess playing Chicago just might do that to a team - but all those breakaways in Chicago? The Hawks just aren't that good, and we aren't that bad.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 11:31 PM

Garrison had his best game of they year, Edler looked pretty good out there. I see them rolling the same pairings tommorow night and take it from there.
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Posted 22 February 2013 - 11:24 AM

The hate for garrison is unreal on here...but regardless lets say he never picks it up, we haft to deal or buy out one or both of Ballard and garrison .....botch said it best we have 5 d-men being payed +4m and 4 of them are better on the left side, something has to be done

I am disgusted with having 8.8m on the third pair when this team has needs...not to mention having 5.3m tweeting on the bench

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