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#451 Stefan

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 01:01 PM

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#452 manudibango

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 01:10 PM

:shock: I am officially in the worried camp. :shock:

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 02:08 PM

As long as Gillis is making the moves, I am worried. Since the SCF, he has made little in the way of moves to address both our lack of a true number one shutdown defenseman and more firepower on offense.

Gillis has chosen to give an two year extension to a coach who lacks the ability to lead the team or out think the opponent. AV is predictable at the best of times. He was lucky during the deep playoff run of 2011. We should have been able to put Chicago away in 5-6 games, but we let them take us to 7 games. In overtime no less. Kesler became immortal, as did Luongo against Nashville, and the team really gelled against San Jose. which was IMO the best series in which the Canucks truly dominated. We had the Bruins, but by that time Alain's bag of tricks was empty. His proverbial well of strategy had run dry. It showed.

Gillis has also given out more NTC's than any other GM in Canucks history. That speaks more to the agent side of him. Why would any GM give a player like Edler a NTC after his pathetic showing last year? Look how great Edler is playing now. Great job Gillis.

Hopefully GMMG can wake the ^#&@ up before Edler's NTC kicks in on July 1st and we are stuck with his inconsistent, positionally weak play for six years. Trading Alex Edler is a must if this team wants to remain competitive.

Gillis needs also to cut his losses (figuratively and literally) and fire Alain Vigneault. If I'm not mistaken Lindy Ruff is still available and has 20 years experience of coaching in the NHL, as well as experience as an associate coach with the 2010 Olympic team.

Or we can get really excited with the return of Andrew Ebbett.
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#454 Riviera82

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 02:30 PM

Sure game 7
olympic gold and no not just anybody could have backstopped team canada as he took the job from brodeur so dont give me that garbage.

The problem with you saying lu isnt good in the playoffs is that with schneider we might not even make the playoffs so who's better now


Game 7 of what series? Chicago? If so let's talk about why it went 7 games with overtime.

Olympic gold. What does this have to do with NHL playoffs? Granted, Luongo was good in that 2 week tournament but he certainly didn't carry that team to gold. It could've easily been silver if Crosby didn't score in OT, and rather quickly if I recall correctly.

We didn't make the playoffs in '08 with Luongo, so what's your point? If a team plays like crap like they did in '08 and the same now, we dont make the playoffs regardless of who is in net. Whether or not you want to believe it, Luongo's playoff numbers on average are pretty ordinary and are bolstered by his one outstanding performance in 2007.

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 03:02 PM

I disagree regarding AV. It is time for a change now.

I do agree that Gillis has his work cut out for him. It can start by ending the failed "Detroit Model" he is trying to follow.......you need much better drafting and development to make that long term strategy work.

This team needs to get younger with more guys with something left to prove. I would even be okay trading guys like Kesler or Bieksa for the right return to shake up the complacent core.

So you are agreeing that this team needs some restructuring but you still are still insistant on changing the coach and then expect that there will suddenly be a different result. That makes little sense.
If you are going to change the model, it is the players that you are going to change....once that is done you then can analyse the coaching. Obviously you accept that player changes are forthcoming so wouldn't it be better to give AV and the rest of the coaching staff a team that you are speaking of and then see how it goes? How would you like to be fired for taking too long to construct a home with a handsaw and then the boss turn around and give the next guy a full set of power tools?

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 03:13 PM

So you are agreeing that this team needs some restructuring but you still are still insistant on changing the coach and then expect that there will suddenly be a different result. That makes little sense.
If you are going to change the model, it is the players that you are going to change....once that is done you then can analyse the coaching. Obviously you accept that player changes are forthcoming so wouldn't it be better to give AV and the rest of the coaching staff a team that you are speaking of and then see how it goes? How would you like to be fired for taking too long to construct a home with a handsaw and then the boss turn around and give the next guy a full set of power tools?


What do you presume would be easier to replace right now? Players or coaching?

Plus, the only section of our team that hasnt seen much change is our coaching staff.. we've changed the roster plenty over the past few years.. I have to agree with wallstreetamigo as his assessment has been bang on.. right now I say change the coaching first.. get a new system and build a new WORK ETHIC among our roster.. that alone should be a good shot in the arm and then take it from there.

Ps, AV and the staff have had arguably the best years of canucks rosters ever.. they have had AMPLE opportunity.. at some point you need to stop the bleeding and that time is now.

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 04:38 PM

So you are agreeing that this team needs some restructuring but you still are still insistant on changing the coach and then expect that there will suddenly be a different result. That makes little sense.
If you are going to change the model, it is the players that you are going to change....once that is done you then can analyse the coaching. Obviously you accept that player changes are forthcoming so wouldn't it be better to give AV and the rest of the coaching staff a team that you are speaking of and then see how it goes? How would you like to be fired for taking too long to construct a home with a handsaw and then the boss turn around and give the next guy a full set of power tools?


This teams issues right now are work ethic, effort, consistency, accountability, etc. All things that could be impacted positively by a coaching change. The coaching staff needs to go now. Management seems committed to this group of players being good enough but obviously something has to change. So you give a new coaching staff the rest of this season to see if this group of players can actually get motivated to play and have some compete. There is literally zero risk as the current coaches are getting nothing out of this group at all anyway.

It is obvious that Gillis will not be changing the players hardly at all until the offseason at the earliest, if he even does that. He seems to think this is a championship calibre team as is. Maybe he needs to go as well if he continues down the team building path he is on. Young, fast, hard hitting, and tough is the new NHL. Without the Sedins and Schneider/Luongo, this team is scrapping to stay out of last place.

Edited by wallstreetamigo, 11 March 2013 - 04:41 PM.


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Posted 11 March 2013 - 05:32 PM

Its not Schneiders fault the team in front of him sucks, but Luongo will start tomorrow anyways. This team plays with no passion and no sense of urgency. It is long overdo for a coaching change as AV has obviously lost the team as well as a couple of big trades to try and jumpstart the team. I think Booth needs to go, as much as I like him he doesn't seem to fit in and I dont think trading him will have a negative affect on team chemistry. Any move MG can make other then swapping around 4th liners should be good as he has sat on his hands for far to long and I dont know if there are no trades out there or if he is to scared to make them but he needs to figure it out. The easy answer is to fire AV then go from there.


Who wants him at 4 mill per year? Just in case you don't know the answer, the answer is NO-ONE!

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 05:37 PM

Gillis = Fail Make a list on a piece of paper. On one side write Good on the other side write Bad. Write down all of Gillis's moves in their place. Conclusion... You've wasted a 'good" half a piece of paper!

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 05:40 PM

Gillis = Fail Make a list on a piece of paper. On one side write Good on the other side write Bad. Write down all of Gillis's moves in their place. Conclusion... You've wasted a 'good" half a piece of paper!


He has done more good than bad. :)
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Posted 11 March 2013 - 05:44 PM

well this is what we need to do to get 3rd place back.


1 start luongo for next couple of games schneider has 2.68 g.a.a and well that is not a number 1.

2 play the sedins with kassin like we did at the start

3 shuffle the powerplay lines such as booth henrik burrows garrison edler

4 try not to get outshot shots shots shots shots and shots

5 call up ebbet since we lost schroder


WE MIGHT HAVE TO DO THIS IAM NOT A HATTER

FIRE COACH AV AND GM GILLIS

#462 Barry_Wilkins

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 06:53 PM

well this is what we need to do to get 3rd place back.


1 start luongo for next couple of games schneider has 2.68 g.a.a and well that is not a number 1.

2 play the sedins with kassin like we did at the start

3 shuffle the powerplay lines such as booth henrik burrows garrison edler

4 try not to get outshot shots shots shots shots and shots

5 call up ebbet since we lost schroder


WE MIGHT HAVE TO DO THIS IAM NOT A HATTER

FIRE COACH AV AND GM GILLIS


You're not employed by Sears in their accessories department?

And who says management doesn't listen to fans? They've already sensed this board's reaction and done (5) already. ESP!

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 07:45 PM

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